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My observations on Islam and the behaviour of muslims are at a working level. Worked between Jakarta and Matak island for a couple of years 2004-2006.
Quite a few of the people I worked with, were as secular a practising muslim could be. This attitude were a result of them traveling abroad and being exposed to different cultures.
But??
It is what they all agreed on that gave me food for thought, basically they said that Christianity and Islam were the same, came from the same place/source, had the same dogma etc?? But, Christianity had the reformation, the Christians then had theology students who looked again at the bible for re-interpretation in a more 'modern' world. This resulted in offshoots of offshoot from the Catholic church to Protestant theology.
My Islamic work colleagues said Islam teaching has already split into two main camps, Shia - Sunni with more offshoots?
What is scary is what he said next. Islam has never had a reformation, a re-examination of its creed, philosphy or dogma.
To do so, would be to question the words of the Prophet, Muhamed (sic)
Anyone who does question the teachings may find themselves declared an 'apostate', under Sharia law his killer would not face punishment.
That is why I were told, you will only find (If you are lucky) moderate Imman's, you will not find anything else.
Scary??
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Not quite on topic? But read somewhere once that a society could be judged on how it treated it fellow females and animals.
If they treated both the same as property, cruelty and disdain, that society had never matured from the dark ages.
If on the other hand a society treated women as individuals with the same rights as a man, treated its animals with compassion.
Then that society had left the dark ages behind.
We are all born (male/female) of a woman, so we are all the same, no one better, no one inferior.
Pom song satang
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Another thai man who was in dire need of a father when he was growing up.
"Many a true word spoken in jest"
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All I can say..................
I love it here. There is always something to do and never enough time to do it all.
Every day a holiday, (When I am not offshore)
Never regretted moving here so cannot moan, sorry
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You want to be in Samsung shipyard here in Pusan, Korea.
Standing by a new drill ship getting built and the number of guys with whistles is incredible. They would give your parking guy a run
And the icecream truck sirens on all the cranes. That does your head in after a while.
The Gantry crane going up and down alongside the West Vela, is playing a Xmas tune..... Cannot make it out but it sounds festive??
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You want to be in Samsung shipyard here in Pusan, Korea.
Standing by a new drill ship getting built and the number of guys with whistles is incredible. They would give your parking guy a run
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An organisation that wants the end, destruction/elimination of a country who the world, already allowed 6million of its people to be murdered/killed?
An organisation that constantly states the Holacaust is a myth.
An organisation that got 90% of what they wished under the Oslo accords, the remainder would be delivered if same organisation delivered their side of the accords, but on arrival back Arafat started the Infinadta, which prompted the saying??
"Yasser never misses an opportunity, to miss an opportunity"
An organisation (along with Hamas) that refuses a right to exist.
An organisation that does not follow democratic means... which is why the people of Gaza sided with Hamas.
I could go on but will be shot down as a Jew lover..............
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Not only the Scottish should be able to vote on this referendum. It is splitting up the United Kingdom therefore all parts of the Kingdom should be involved; English, Welsh and Northern Irish as well as Scottish.
Scottish and English goverments agreed to a union of equals. That is why both countries kept their own law, financial, education systems etc.
As equal partners, either party could decide to seperate, bit like a marriage, say you wanted a divorce, but, you then find out you could not have one since it was up to your wife to say yes, you can have a divorce??
You would say that was pretty unfair, would you not.
Wales was a Principality of the English crown so legally is not entitled to a vote.
NI is a politically created state more than 200 years later, you cannot add onto an agreement that changes the basis of the original agreement. If that could happen you are allowing retrospective legislation, that would would Daily Mail readers indignant with rage.
Ireland when it was brought into the Union (Red saltire on a white background) were about 180 years later, so retrospective would happen again.
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I tend to drink 'cough, cough' around the Soi in question? The 2 for 1 can be a laugh....
Now I am not suggesting a cheap charlie route, but??
A lot of the girls will be more than happy to have your "free beer" that way your lady drink is free, you have not had to pay 100-120bt.
Jeez man...... I have found a new way to look at 2 for 1
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Not everyone turns into a hard drinking womanizer after arriving at Bangkok airport?
So you are amongst the famous 0.1% that are not affected on arrival.
I were a born again christian evangelist, but when attempting to gather a fallen woman into my flock, I succumbed and joined her flock in the local GoGo bar, in LK Metro.
Have not met Satan, but were told he is a tetotal firebrand??
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I suffer from this if I get de-hydrated and have a long haul flight, an attack occurs within 24 hours. I found taking one 0.6mg a day of Colchicine which you buy at any Pharmacy cures it.
20baht for a strip of 10.
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Before the wife became the 'ex' she wanted me out of her hair, plus the house, her life and her bed.
Company had openings worldwide, took one in Indonesia, wife was happy (extremely so) that I done the 90 day, tax rule for non-residence.
Only problem were?? Where to live in Asia? Lots of guys were already in Thailand, so ended coming here after some travels.
Cost of living, weather and the lovely women if one has to be honest.
Also, it was a pleasure to get back to nature (sort off) working on farms and rural homes, fitting pressurised water systems, lights, power circuits and overhauling lots of little diesels.
Okay being eaten alive by many things, suffering headaches from heat and dehydration. But in return I had found a country and people I could relax and enjoy my life with.
Not for all ex-pats though, living quite rough and eating Thai food in a rural enviroment is not for the majority, but the boy scout in me took to it.
Have now built my retirement home, with all mods and cons, intend calling it quits no later than Aug 2015.
Back in the UK my ex is angry (
) and bitter that I have prospered without her, cannot get my dosh that is in the bank, and incandesant with rage that I am happier now than when married (
).
My son is happy for me and been out visiting a few times. Wishes me the best, say's never seen me so happy and relaxed.
So why did I come to live in Thailand??
1) Found a niche in life that convinced me, this was my place (happiness and contentment).
2) Earnings tax free.
3) Weather/climate.
4) The beautiful women (should of been placed 1st)
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My home in Pattaya, at La Bella Casa was flooded to 30cm, water all gone now.
Water ran off Soi Bongkot into the estate, flooded quickly.
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Spare a thought or two for Jock Stein.
Born on this day (5th October) in 1922.
One of the greats of the game.
Yes, a great.
Why he never got a knighthood, in being the first british manager to win the European cup. Yet the second British manager to do so, recieved a knighthood.
Strange and unfair
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It was a wet the baby head day.
The guys are all ex pat's and friendly with the management and owners of Champagne.
It were not "Pink" (God forbid) shirts but a bluey/purple shade.
Allan the owner of "18 coins" was the proud father. They were not drunk and they are all 45-55 year old well heeled gents.
Not a sandle or Changi singlet amongst them.
pink/purple was the color of the shirts and they looked pretty drunk when I spotted them in Buhakao
They were neither pretty, nor were they drunk.
They were extremely tired and emotional and needed a rest
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It was a wet the baby head day.
The guys are all ex pat's and friendly with the management and owners of Champagne.
It were not "Pink" (God forbid) shirts but a bluey/purple shade.
Allan the owner of "18 coins" was the proud father. They were not drunk and they are all 45-55 year old well heeled gents.
Not a sandle or Changi singlet amongst them.
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You are saying that as a poor American, people from rich American families are even bigger snobs and wouldn't even talk to you.
There are plenty bad apples (like those on Wall Street) but plenty too whom have dedicated themselves to charity like Gates and Buffet and numerous others.
But you miss the point. Class is celebrated in Thailand throughout all classes. It is not in the USA. There are plenty of snobs sure but we aren't very impressed by them. Remember, we were a bunch of rednecks who threw the King and his well dressed tea sipping "soldiers" out of the country and have not looked back.
No "Tea sipping soldiers" you colonials threw your own tea into Boston harbour during a 'party', saying "No taxation without representation" (Might be wrong since I was not around when it happened)
The rednecks, "ye bud, we know"
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You know though......there is one thing that unites everyone who has chosen to live an ex-pat life, on a company package or otherwise.......each and every one of you has had the bottle to have a go.
As Norman Tebbit said, you " got on your bike ", and you got on your bike to make a better life for yourself or family. The motivation could have been travel, employment, retirement whatever, the bottom line is that you stepped out of the norm and tried.
Far too many people go through lives in the starting gate, you can't say that about ex-pats. Many ex-pats shot out of their starting gate as soon as they could, ( villagefarang is a prime example, finished Uni then took off to Thailand where he has now lived for 35 memorable years ), many may have lived conventional lives in their own countries for a substantial period before moving, however every single ex-pat has one thing in common......eventually they went through the departure gate.
So that unites all of you, you have all had the bottle to go through that departure gate and try..............and that's a far better way to live your life than entrapping yourself within small horizons.
I'll be quiet now.
No need to be quiet, you should speak up more, since what you wrote down made perfect sense...
As said in the earlier post.
You cannot pigeon hole people into groups. The "starting gate" is a good analogy, we all start from different tracks, different venues and decide to move for our own reasons?
Could never put my finger on it .... but I never felt 100% at ease back in the UK, had the house, the car, big boys toys etc, etc, but something was missing.
Had always travelled abroad owing to my line of work which I enjoyed doing. Coming back to the UK on leave was filled with DIY, m/bikes, rugby etc.
If not for my ex pushing me to go for a tax free status (also p*ss off) would never of taken a posting in Jakarta, Indonesia.
Made my base in Thailand ... The rest you can say is history.
Company pay me more than enough money to do whatever I want, have replaced engines on tractors, plumbed houses in villages after fitting pressure controls on the only pump at the village well.
Been woken up when the mosquito net drops down onto me owing to something that landed ... then left... it were big??
Have shared rural/farm food and amenities for weeks at a time. Learnt Thai, speak good enough to joke with the locals.
I find I have no stress, at peace with myself and living food wise with beer on less than 200bhat a day.
But ... When I go back to work with photos of my off time, see some colleagues roll their eyes and point to healing inscect bites on my arms??
Some others are riveted on my tales, want to try... but are scared......... Why ... the "unknown" I would think, scared to try, leave their cosy, safe little world.
I am glad I will spend the remaining years of my life here. Everything is coming together as planned. House I have built is only 3hrs 30mins away from Bangkok, Korat 45-50mins.
After a couple of weeks up there come back pattaya for late nights and bodily abuse.
You can be anyone you want to be here in Thailand, if you have the resources but most of all, if you like the country and the people at grass roots level.
Just remember (those TV posters who see themselves so Hi-So)....... when you are in your nice car in bangkok or wherever, looking down at the poor, black skinned Thais from the villages.
You are just like them, born of a woman, eat and s**t the same and will die the same.
I am not a number!!
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/agree with the OPBut that's because people essentially live in different worlds here. To give a brief description of each I'd say:
Multi National Corporation (MNC) Expats - Western lifestyle, but in Thailand. Working for a Western company
Retired - Not working, but still have money.
Urban Expats - Western lifestyle, but in Thailand.
Rural Expats - Thai lifestyle
Teacher Expats - Thai lifestyle. Working for a Thai company/school.
With most Retired Expats living in an urban area, they often have something in common with the MNC Expats, even though one works and the other doesn't. Likewise, the Retired Expats who live in rural areas would have more in common with the Teacher Expats, as they would have many of the same problems etc associated with integrating into a Thai lifestyle.
As I think that the level of integration into Thai society and acceptance of "Thai style" is the main difference in understanding between expats. As if you have money, you're less likely to integrate into Thai society, as it's easy to stick with what you know. Likewise if you live in a rural area, you're more likely to integrate into Thai society, because there simply aren't as many choices.
Edit: Oh and although working could be seen as common ground for MNC Expats and Teachers, it's not really. Because MNC Expats often earn more than 10x what a teacher does, and are also in a completely different profession.
Edit2: Also the OP said "What chance is there of ever understanding Thais?". As an Urban, MNC Expat, you'll probably find it very difficult to understand your average Thai person. Although you'll probably meet a lot of westernised Thai people through work, who are effectively westerners. For someone living rural, especially teachers, they'll learn to understand "Thai style" to some degree at least.
I beg to differ as far as rural expats having something in common with expat teachers! I would suggest (certainly those I have met) that expat teachers are generally here because they cant get a job back home or on the run from some sort of truoble and are not to be trusted even by other expats. I stopped socialising with the local farang community because they all seem to be a bunch of <deleted>...... Ups, sorry that is the only way to explain them.
As for intergrating into a thai lifestyle, surely that can be done even in the cities, it is after all up to the individual as to how much they immerse themselves in the culture!
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Strange one??
Putting groups of people in pigeon holes never seem to work owing to differing personalities amongst the group.
Work for a European company and have the ex-pats package,(pension, Health cover etc). What group am I
But I like going a little bit wild (GoGo bars/Drink) in Pattaya where I have a home for the past 8 years. What group then am I.
Have already built my retirement home, all landscaped, fishponds etc, way out in the country. But not retiring for a few years? Where you put me.
Being single have lived in TGF's parents farm, sleep on the floor, no A/C and a bowl to wash. Where you put me.
Some guys can wear different hat's, I am a totally different character at work to how I play.
Wear a collar and tie, then its flip flop working on farm machinery.
I despair at times with some elitism shown by some members on this forum and the terms/description of same.
Some people who live and work, live and work outside Thailand, live here because they are retired here.
If they are happy, content and at peace with themselves, then they are all the same regardless of employment status, money or whatever.
My innane ramblings need to stop.
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Some of the most caring, helpful females I have met in my 8 years living here "Work Bar" .
As Jesus said, "He without sin cast the first stone"
Look in the mirror and ask yourself what you would do to support your loved ones/Family
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Phuket=turning into Pattaya
I left Phuket in 2005, I could see the way things were slowly going.....
Moved to Pattaya and Pattaya is nowhere near as bad as Phuket.
Lived just off 3rd road for a number of years and it were safer to walk that road than walk home in Phuket
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The other day I had quite a serious accident that meant me suffering bodily injury and the loss of some possessions including my mobile phone. The local rescue people took me to a hospital somewhere in the 'outback' to be cared for by the doctors and nurses.
In this small hospital hardly anyone spoke English at all and what English they could speak was limited. When they were getting stumped as to how to get an understanding of what was needed, I asked them to phone an ex g/f who I have known for 3 years and seen once in the last year, as hers is the only number I can remember off by heart.
She took the call and sorted everything out over the phone so all could understand what was going on and what needed to be done. She then had a word with her boss and dropped everything at work in Bangkok and got someone to drive her down to find me. When we finally met up after some mix ups due to me not having a phone until I got a lift home to use my spare phone, she stayed 2 days to ensure everything was OK. Then she went back to BKK. She phones 3 times a day to make sure I am doing okay. She is willing to be there at the other end of the phone to help in an instant.
There are good Thai people out there, even ex g/f's.
As an aside, if I'd had my phone, there are several other Thai people I could have phoned and they would have helped too, but I doubt they would have / could have dropped what they were doing at work instantly to come to me, stay with me at the hospital and then take me home, clean up, tend to all sorts of little things and make sure I was as best I could be before having to return to work.
Don't believe all bad things about all Thai people. There are good and bad people the world over as there are good and bad Thai people and I for one am grateful i have some numbers of really good Thai people.
I had similar occur to me. Never went out with the girl but we had always exchanged pleasantries. Fell ill, she heard all about and came to see me. Took me in her car to hospital, she had gathered all the documents needed and "Took care" Later she would take nothing from me.................. There are some remarkable ladies out there who will make any man their King.
I can only speak good of Thai ladies, because they have never done bad to me.
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Ha, so whats your opinion that l did all that's necessary but lost most cos my wife wanted to tour the world with another guy and took most of my financial and home building in the settlement.
Some here are blind to individual cases. fuc_k, l get angry with some snotty nosed do gooders.
Ah??
We are the same in some way then??
2004 my wife wanted rid of me, so took an overseas posting to Indonesia while she went to the lawyers.
2007, lawyers drew up the papers, she kept a 4 bed house 48 miles from London heathrow. All the money in the bank, shares and the 3 cars.
I had two suitcases, zero money in the bank but kept my Merchant navy officers pension.
Worked all the extra days possible, done freelancing and by 2010 had got back on my feet.
August 2011 started building my retiement home (No GF, land etc protected).
Reason why I did this??
My ex thought she had crippled and broke me, little did she realise that with no more access to a joint bank account she was depleting her bank balance as I were building mine. When she became assest rich but cash poor, I were now cash rich mak mak. It made my day to see the look on her face when after telling her tales of woe and needed money, my reply was "No" the look was was priceless.
Took me 5 years to get everything back, why don't you do the same
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Brits between the ages of 50 and 70 (that's the old gits whinging about pensions) have been raised in a welfare state, left school at a time of full employment, had free higher education if they had payed enough attention in school to pass selection, alternatively had access to apprenticeships, lived through decades of increasing personal wealth, rising house prices, had access to jobs with defined benefit pensions...basically this demographic group have had oportunity and wealth handed them on a plate.
If you're a Brit coming up to retirement and the only pension daving you have is the state pension then you must have ducked, ignored or squandered the multitude of oportunities handed to you over decades.
Now you want us to listen to "it's 'snot fair"
I am 56, 57 this year, product of a single parent family from a large council estate nearby Glasgow.
Father died when mother had just turned 38. She was too young to recieve a widows pension so had to work like hell. Full-time job during the day, part-time at night and a job on a Saturday.
Were the youngest, had an elder brother and sister, we have all done well by ourselves. Not by having a welfare state to support us, rather by seeing that you had to take care of yourself and not rely on others. Joining the Merchant navy at 22yr then going offshore 40yrs has allowed me to plan my retirement outwith any government handout. Only 18 months left and its tend the fields, fish and fruit.
Son And Further Education What A Laugh
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Bit unfair, I only had sons, they were all treated the same. Taught the same values etc.
One son is a credit, never gave us a sleepless night, a grey hair or bring a tear.
Sadly the other son done all three, plus bring the police with search warrants, court appearances with his descent into the vile world of drugs. So, so sadly he is not around anymore.
It were not poor parenting that made him do what he did, it were his choice and no amount of love, affection and time made one bit of difference.
Realise you prefaced your statement with "generality", but, think twice, print once when coming out with your own profound statements on how you think why children go wrong?