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If the uncertainty is that great and you really don't drive that much now, just stick with a used vehicle....probably an used ICEV.

There will always be new EV batteries coming out that will be hyped as a BIG improvement but in the real world they will simply be minor/significant improvements. If a person continues to wait for the next big improved EV battery they will probably never buy an EV because they will always be waiting. That's what Mr. Toyota wants.

It seems difficult to you right now (just like when first learning to ride a bike), but after the light blub comes on in your brain (i.e., wow, I understand now) you'll think to yourself "why did I think this was hard to figure out" because it's not really hard at all/turned out to be not really hard at all like you thought it might.

See...finding out your home had three phase power made all the difference. And I recommend you keep in simple with your wall charger...like one that does not use/need an app to operate it. Just need a RFID card you wave in front of it to turn it off and on for charging. A lot of the fancy chargers are just way too expensive....keep it simple...it will also cost you a lot less.

Yes, these types of "zoomed out" maps for all of Thailand or a highly populated areas can give the impression chargers are every couple kilometers (or closer)...almost like 7-11's all over the place even in rural areas. BUT when you start zooming out vs using a zoomed-out satellite type view you will see big gaps in many places, especially rural areas, where the closest charger is tens of kilometers (or more) away and it's simply out-of-your-way to use or when you get there you find out it's occupied or non-operational. Don't get me wrong, Thailand overall has a LOT of chargers but there are many areas where there are not any, not nearly enough, etc. But if you are just looking for a charger while going on long trips on major highways there are many chargers along those major highways.

They are right....there are MANY rural areas that don't have enough chargers. Yes, there will be chargers on "major" highways that go thru rural areas but the rural areas need many more chargers but I don't think that will occur until there are quite a few more EVs and affordable EV "pickup" trucks became available in Thailand.

As of early morning 3 Dec the new PTT EV Station Pluz charging app is operational. Their old app can still be opened but no charger locations appear making the app non-opreational/useless. So, if you use the PTT charging network you will need to install and register on their new app. Even customers who were registered on the old app need to re-register....your old registration on the old app does not carry over to the new app. See above posts for more details.

Vehicle "booking" stats 28 Nov - 1 Dec for the ongoing Motor Expo 2024 running from 28/29 Nov - 10 Dec 2024 https://www.motorexpo.co.th/bestselling/ Best Selling Cars 2024 Best Selling Cars 2024 Brand 28/11 29/11 30/11 1/12 2/12 3/12 4/12 5/12 6/12 7/12 8/12 9/12 10/12 TOTAL 28/11 29/11 30/11 1/12 2/12 3/12 4/12 5/12 6/12 7/12 8/12 9/12 10/12 TOTAL TOTAL 309 1,694 4,504 4,773 - - - - - - - - - 11,280 AION - 117 200 217 - - - - - - - - - 534 AUDI 7 8 11 8 - - - - - - - - - 34 AVATR - - 28 26 - - - - - - - - - 54 BMW 57 49 93 107 - - - - - - - - - 306 BYD * 42 256 425 470 - - - - - - - - - 1,193 BYD COMMERCIAL VEHICLES * - - - - - - - - - - - - - - DEEPAL - 108 154 159 - - - - - - - - - 421 DENZA * 8 58 40 39 - - - - - - - - - 145 FORD - 42 110 108 - - - - - - - - - 260 FOTON - - - - - - - - - - - - - - GEELY - 25 51 61 - - - - - - - - - 137 GWM - 46 104 86 - - - - - - - - - 236 HONDA 32 94 475 513 - - - - - - - - - 1,114 HYUNDAI 9 18 30 73 - - - - - - - - - 130 ISUZU - 36 188 213 - - - - - - - - - 437 JEEP - - - - - - - - - - - - - - JUNEYAO - - - - - - - - - - - - - - KIA 5 9 27 26 - - - - - - - - - 67 KING LONG - - - - - - - - - - - - - - LEAPMOTOR - 8 8 10 - - - - - - - - - 26 LEXUS 3 4 4 5 - - - - - - - - - 16 LOTUS - - - - - - - - - - - - - - MASERATI - - - - - - - - - - - - - - MAZDA - 62 182 190 - - - - - - - - - 434 MERCEDES-BENZ - 125 90 65 - - - - - - - - - 280 MG - 136 224 246 - - - - - - - - - 606 MINI 8 5 20 22 - - - - - - - - - 55 MITSUBISHI - 20 325 270 - - - - - - - - - 615 NETA 4 29 208 269 - - - - - - - - - 510 NISSAN - 38 150 175 - - - - - - - - - 363 OMODA JAECOO - - 95 98 - - - - - - - - - 193 PEUGEOT - - 1 - - - - - - - - - - 1 POCCO - - - - - - - - - - - - - - PORSCHE 4 5 7 14 - - - - - - - - - 30 RIDDARA - - 30 69 - - - - - - - - - 99 SUZUKI - 2 19 30 - - - - - - - - - 51 TESLA * - 14 37 27 - - - - - - - - - 78 TOYOTA 127 262 910 950 - - - - - - - - - 2,249 VOLVO - 18 12 17 - - - - - - - - - 47 WULING 3 12 11 15 - - - - - - - - - 41 XPENG - - 66 69 - - - - - - - - - 135 ZEEKR - 88 169 119 - - - - - - - - - 376 BRG - - - 7 - - - - - - - - - 7 Note: These are the numbers reported by the car companies. * These are the numbers calculated from the Buy a Car…Win a Car program. Best Selling Motorcycles 2024 Brand 28/11 29/11 30/11 1/12 2/12 3/12 4/12 5/12 6/12 7/12 8/12 9/12 10/12 TOTAL 28/11 29/11 30/11 1/12 2/12 3/12 4/12 5/12 6/12 7/12 8/12 9/12 10/12 TOTAL TOTAL 51 221 644 656 - - - - - - - - - 1,572 AJ EV 3 22 6 19 - - - - - - - - - 50 ALPHA VOLANTIS - 12 17 18 - - - - - - - - - 47 BMW MOTORRAD 9 5 12 12 - - - - - - - - - 38 DECO - 3 26 3 - - - - - - - - - 32 EM 10 37 67 74 - - - - - - - - - 188 FELO 1 2 7 8 - - - - - - - - - 18 HANWAY - - - 1 - - - - - - - - - 1 HARLEY-DAVIDSON 7 13 8 11 - - - - - - - - - 39 HONDA ** - 6 20 45 - - - - - - - - - 71 KAWASAKI 2 4 8 12 - - - - - - - - - 26 LAMBRETTA ** 2 - 6 4 - - - - - - - - - 12 NIU - - - 1 - - - - - - - - - 1 RAPID 1 4 23 15 - - - - - - - - - 43 ROYAL ALLOY - 4 13 9 - - - - - - - - - 26 ROYAL ENFIELD 6 15 34 29 - - - - - - - - - 84 SOLAR - 21 26 29 - - - - - - - - - 76 STROM 3 10 10 15 - - - - - - - - - 38 SUZUKI 3 6 20 15 - - - - - - - - - 44 TRIUMPH 4 11 28 23 - - - - - - - - - 66 YAMAHA - 46 83 88 - - - - - - - - - 217 ZEEHO - - 7 6 - - - - - - - - - 13 ZONTES - - 223 219 - - - - - - - - - 442 Note: These are the numbers reported by the motorcycle company. ** These are the numbers calculated from the list of Buying a motorcycle…Win a big bike.

@Yodarapper "If", repeat, if PEA recent policy change regarding getting a 2nd meter did not override below PEA guidance (date mid 2022) and since it appears you have a three phase 15/45A system then condition number 2 would apply to you. PEA has always allowed a 2nd meter in those cases where the home owner justifies the current system can not be improved/upgraded for various reasons (such as cost) and then you could get a 2nd meter. Go to below PEA weblink for more info...it's in Thai. The snapshot below I google translated. https://www.pea.co.th/ข่าวสารประกาศ/ข่าวประชาสัมพันธ์/ArtMID/542/ArticleID/150315/PEA-แนะนำเตรียมตัวก่อนติดตั้ง-EV-Charger The Provincial Electricity Authority (PEA) recommends preparation before installing an EV Charger for residential homes or small businesses that do not have commercial purposes by checking the meter size, main wire size, main circuit breaker size and circuit breakers of the sub-circuits to see if they are sufficient to install an additional EV Charger. If the original electrical system is insufficient, you can choose to proceed as follows: 1. Request to increase the size of the original meter and improve the electrical system within the home to support the EV Charger. 2. Request to install a second meter if the original electrical system within the home cannot be improved.

Speaking of charging apps as of 2 Dec 2024 at 7pm till next morning on 3 Dec at 8am the PTT charging network (which is probably the most used DC Fast Charger used network in Thailand) is transitioning from their old app to their new app at time of this post a little after 7pm. And when I opened the old app a few minutes ago it no longer shows any chargers...basically unusable. And when trying to open the new app it gives the notice of being under maintenance/not active until 3 Dec at 8am. See below post for more info.

@Yodarapper And if you wondering what the 15(45)A rating really means it means it's a 45A meter/service (it can handle 45A) with the 15A just meaning that will probably be its typically operating amperage...how much a person "typically" draws. 15A is also a key "calibration" point for the meter whenever they are tested/calibrated. Another example is a 30(100)A meter rating....that means it's a 100A meter (it can handle 100A) and uses 30A as the typical operating amperage/key calibration point. Just the way many meters are rated.

Those are three phase meters, specifically 15(45)A meters. Based on your earlier posts from other people in your moobaan you mostly likely have a three phase main circuit box which means you have "three" 45A lines going to it. If you can get a wall charger installed on one of those three incoming lines you should be good to go although the charger installer might have to "balance" the three incoming lines....by balance I mean move some circuit breakers feeding some circuits in your house "off" the phase to be used for the charger and moved to the other two phases "if possible." Now whether a installer under contract with a EV dealership like BYD will do that or not is unknown....you would have to ask them as the contracted installers seem to avoid "complicated" installations where they also need to mess around with circuit/breakers feeding the rest of your home. You may need to get your own installer. What you should do is go back to the installer that said you will need a second circuit/meter with your new found info to clarify to him you have a "three phase 15(45A) system" and see what he says. He might have been assuming your had a single phase 60A system before which would need a second meter/circuit under the charger rules they have to follow.

Below 1 Dec 2024 car250.com article on the Sealion 7 may help clarify BYD 800V architecture. Two different 800V types: (1) e-Platform 3.0 (2) e-Platform 3.0 EVO. While both are 800V systems the e-Platform 3.0 version has a max charge rate of around 150KW and the E-Platform 3.0 EVO has a max rate of around around 230KW. The article says Thailand currently gets the e-Platform 3.0 version (i.e., 150KW max) while some other countries get the e-Platform 3.0 EVO version (i.e., 230KW). https://www.car250.com/new-e-platform-3-0-evo.html

The govt will just slip/adjust/update the annual thresholds between now and 2030 to where no one pays any fines. But probably "for now" maintain the 2030 date for no more new ICEVs...the govt will wait till 2029 before slipping/adjusting/updating that 2030 date.

Well, when they say 400V and 800V architecture that is a "nominal" type name. A 400V system can have a voltage range a 100 or so volts lower than 400V and even several hundred volts higher. Pretty much ditto for an 800V architecture system....several hundred volts below and above the 800V "nominal" value. And a key point is are we talking a 2024 Seal model or a 2025 Seal model....ditto for the Sealion. But it seems if the charging rate spec is 150KW max then it's still a 400V system; if 240KW then it's a 800V system.

Whoops...I just noticed an error on my part...if you do have 3 phase power and based on your 60A circuit breaker your 3 phase meter is probably going to be a 30(100)A meter but the home builder ran smaller wire from the meter to your home only only rated for probably around 60-80A per phase. It just hard to figure out your situation without seeing the meter and the inside of your circuit box, Have a charger installer take a look.

Well, if above posters are correct and based on the picture of your main circuit box you provider earlier your home probably has three phase power vs single phase. So, you probably have three 45A lines coming into your main breaker box with a total amperage allowed across the three phases of of 60A...but the way three phases works each phase could possibly allow 45A. And where the one poster said the "....and balanced the phase..." he saying the charger installer rearranged some of the circuit breakers in the main box to ensure the wall charger to dedicated to "one" of the 45A phases coming in. But if your house does indeed have 3 phase power then you may be good-to-go, but the installer you sent the picture to below thinks you only have single phase power. You need to have a wall charger installer actually look at your current electrical setup.

Yes I have. My 7KW wall charger and Atto have a 91.5% charging efficiency (a.k.a., charging losses). The wall charger allows 30 to 31 amps to pass thru it. I calculated the charging efficiency by dviding the charger's output power (I have a power meter on it's output) into the charging power displayed on the Atto screen (and actually I've used OBD2 data which gives a little better accuracy). Depending on the traction battery's temperate I've checked the charging efficiency MANY times over many months and the charging efficiency has ranged from 90 to 93% so that's where I get my average 91.5% efficiency. So, 8.5% of the electrons are losses due to the EVs built in on-board charger, cable losses, etc...etc....the great bulk of that loss is the EV's on-board charger's conversion of AC to DC volts. And for the BYD portable charger (a.k.a., granny charger....granny safety switch) the charging efficiency is approx 83%....typical for small portable chargers since the EV's onboard charger power usage now accounts for a larger portion of the overall power. The car's on-board charger AC to DC conversion process is where the great bulk of the charging loss occurs...same for all EVs. The BYD portable 10A charger outputs appox 2KW....today I did another quick check and the portable charger was outputting 2050 watts while drawing 9.2 amps from the wall socket which is just below the granny chargers rated 10A rating. As you know a wall and portable AC charges are really just fancy "safety switches" (not chargers at all) that communicate to the EV regarding how many AC amps "max" the charger (whoops, I mean fancy safety switch) will allow to go thru it...and then the EV's BMS/on-board charger agree not to ask for more than that max amperage. With the EV and fancy switch now in agreement the switch allows the AC to follow thru it to the EV where the EV's on-board charger converts the AC to DC to charge the battery...and the wall/portable charger monitor the amperage draw to ensure the EV don't pull more than the charger's max thru-put allowed....if the charger tries to pull more than the max then the charger cuts off AC flow to the EV. Yeap, not a charger at all; just a fancy safety switch. Technically called "Electric Vehicle Supply Equipment (EVSE)" in EV charging standards/regulations.

Today I was getting some free electrons for my Atto (i.e., charging) at a BYD dealership and while charging I went in and looked at a couple of Sealion 7's they had on display. Really nice looking EV. Anyway I asked the salesperson if the Sealion had an 800 volt or 400 volt charging system? The rep didn't know, but went into the office were a couple other sales people were to ask the question and then came back with an the answer of it's a 500 (five hundred) volt system. A 400V system typically operates in the 300 to 500V range and an 800V system in the 600-900V ballpark. So, with that 500V answer they were basically saying it's a 400V system. Today I also sent a LINE message to another dealership that always sends me BYD advertisements and I asked it the Sealion had a 800V or 400V system. Their answer was 400+. So, two dealership have said it's a 400V system which matches up with what I see on the internet regarding Sealant models for this part of the world.

It's not crazy if you have easy and quick access to a charger and willing to expend time setting at a charger. But charging at home makes charging a LOT easier and cheaper...about as easy as keeping your smartphone charged. But let's see a picture of your electric meter along with the wires running to and from the meter.

What was it max DC charging rate? If it was rated at 150KW it's a 400V system; if around 240KW then it's an 800V system. Partial quote from Wiki. And below the quote is a snapshot from the ReverAutomotive Sealion 7 brochure showing the Thai model has 150KW max charging capability.

Until you identify your meter size you are just spinning your wheels in trying to nail down what "service amperage" you currently have. Assuming the mooban houses are fed via power poles & lines running up and down the sois vs no electric poles in your moobaan and all electrical wiring is underground your meter should be on a pole "very, very" close to your home...and from that meter wires run to your home via above ground lines or underground lines to connect to your home/main circuit box. Now if your home is really a townhouse physically connected to other townhouses then the meters for your complex of townhouses could be on the back/side of the complex all side by side. The picture of your main breaker box shows a 60A main breaker which means your meter could very well be a 30(100)A meter. Typically when you have 100A service (a.k.a., 30(100)A shown on the meter) you will have either an 80A or 100A main breaker vs the 60A you currently have. For you to have a 15(45A) meter (a.k.a., 45A service) the builder shouldn't be putting a 60A breaker in your main circuit box because 60A exceeds the meter's 45A meter capacity/rating. Maybe the builder installed a 60A main breaker for another reason like maybe the size of the wires running from the meter to the main breaker box can not handle 100A. Then again maybe the builder just figured no one will need more than 60A of power and a 60A breaker is cheaper to install than a 100A breaker. Go outside your home and look for the electric meter...it should be on a pole very, very close to your home. You electric bill would reflect the meter's long number and you will find that number also on the front of the meter. But if you do have a 15(45A) meter upgrading to 30(100)A meter may "not" be a simple meter swap because the wires that run from the electric poles on the soi to the meter and the wires running from the meter into your home would probably be different physical/amperage sizes. If the current wiring is say for a 15(45A) meter, well, PEA is not going to swap the meter until you pay to upgrade the wiring "to" the meter and "from" the meter "to" your main circuit box"....and possibly even a main circuit box upgrade if the box is not rated for 100A or more. The electric company has to ensure wiring all the way to your main circuit box is of adequate size for the electrical service you want....that is, 100A service. Go outside and find your meter...see what size it is...is it a 15(45A), a 30(100)A, etc. And also look at the wiring going "to" and "from" the meter....if the wiring is approximately the diameter of your thumb then it's probably 100A wiring....if the wiring is a little smaller than the diameter of your pinky finger then you probably have 45A or less wiring. Edit: and size you said most of the houses already have wall chargers well that's a good sign that maybe each house has 100A service capability with a simple meter swap and main circuit breaker swapout to 100A....both not costing much, quick, and easy.

Well, the landlord may be concerned about what impact the high amperage circuit will have on his property such as: - just how will the electrical lines be run, electrical conduits to be run on the inside/outside of walls/ceilings, appearance, residence modifications, etc. - is the current electrical service in "your" name or the landlord's name? If in the landlord's name this probably means the second meter dedicated to the EV will probably be in his name also which means he has another monthly electrical bill to consider. - when the tenant leaves who owns the the EV dedicated circuit installed (I expect the landlord is going to insist it becomes his property with the exception of the wall charger). Now if I was a landlord and knew how more and more people are switching to EVs and wall chargers are becoming an important consideration to potential renters if my current tenant wanted to pay for professional installation of a separate EV charger circuit "that would remain installed and be the landlord property (except the wall charger itself) I would welcome the installation.

Yeap....sounds about right since you'll need a separate electrical meter/service run from the soi electrical lines which will be dedicated to the EV wall charger. When you don't have at least a 100A service feeding your residence this what happens in that a separate electrical service, meter, and wire will be needed.