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Got a reference/link for that? Like what they mean by degradation. I expect it would consist of basically a visual inspection around the traction battery.....looking for impact damage, damaged high voltage cables, etc. I don't think battery "degradation" in terms of how much charge capacity (State of Health) is the type of degradation they would be looking for...as mentioned, probably visible type damage. And maybe "if" EVs sold in China have to meet include certain "standard/open source" OBD2 measurement parameters then maybe some type of basic OBD check would need to be done. Kinda like how in certain countries/states vehicles have to pass certain Inspection & Maintenance (I/M) OBD tests (a.k.a., Smog or emissions test) which is looking at "emissions" every 1 or 2 years. Those nasty emissions coming out the tailpipe. Also, I saw a recent CNN news report on TV talking about "local provincial/city governments" in China have been creating a bunch of new taxes on "this-and-that" since the central govt has been cutting back on funds provided from the central govt tax coffers. So, some local governments are trying to make up for the tax funding shortfall. The CNN report mentioned some of the new fees/taxes dealt with vehicles. And with more and more EVs on the roads in China I expect EVs are a new target for tax revenue....make up for the decline in tax revenue on declining numbers of ICEVs.

My auto & motorcycle licenses along with my Thai wife's auto license expires at the end of the this year. When we went to the Drivers License Office here in Khet Talingchan, Bangkok just to get info/confirm the requirements to renew our 5 year licenses one of the specific questions I asked was could I renew using my Pink ID Card/Yellow Book as confirmation of my address vs getting a Certificate of Address from my local immigration office. The answer was: I will be able to use my Pink ID card/Yellow Book vs getting a Certificate of Address from my immigration. My Pink ID Card/Yellow book 13 digit number will be used on my renewed licenses vs my passport number. I said I've heard that by using your Pink ID Card/Yellow Book then that would result in a restriction on your license for the local area only...but the drivers license reps said it "use" to be that way years ago but no longer....there are no restriction of any kind...just like if you had used your passport. And the two driver license reps who told me this are the ones who will actually being reviewing/approving my renewal application. I go back in a little over two weeks for my scheduled appointment. I also got my medical certificate today which is good for 30 days...cost Bt200 at a little clinic right next to the driver license office. Just had to provide my height and weight, a check to ensure I was not color blind, blood pressure check, and answer a few questions as to if I had any major medical problems. Only took about 10 minutes. Ditto for the wife. After getting the medical certificates we went back to the office and the wife got her renewed license today as both of us had done the online training yesterday....she just showed a snapshot of the QR Training Certificate. Then she went to a room where they run a few checks to ensure you are not color blind, able to quickly move your foot from a gas peddle to brake peddle, etc. Easy stuff...only took about 5 minutes total. For whatever reason(s) they accepted the Thai wife as a walk-in today...maybe they had some open appointment slots I don't know....they were just very helpful. But for me they would not do it today...but they made an appointment for me approx two weeks from now. I could have use the appointment app to make an appointment but since the drivers license office was willing to do it for me then good....beats downloading, installing, and registering with a govt app that you will only use once every 5 years. Yeap...we just went to the office to get some info today and see if we could schedule an appointment vs use the app they want you to use. Basically they routinely do "not" do walk-ins....you are suppose to have made an appointment...but for whatever reason they allowed the wife do her this afternoon without an appointment....and for me they made my appointment and basically looked at my paperwork, the medical certificate I got today, and my QR Training Certificate which I got yesterday and said I was good to go....just bring certain copies of the docs when coming back for my appointment in a few weeks. I feel like I'm preapproved paperwork-wise....just need to show up for the appointment, do a few response/eye/reaction tests, and then get my renewal licenses issued. The drivers license office reps today were VERY, VERY helpful. The wife left with a renewed license, I got an appointment a few weeks from now to renew mine, and I got a bunch of paperwork questions clearing answered.

Apparently this was a Deepal SL03 (but called a L07 in Thailand) which is offered in three options: a battery electric vehicle, a series hybrid, and an electric vehicle with a hydrogen electrochemical generator. Gosh knows which option is shown in the video. But something that struck me a week or so ago when first seeing the video was how fast the fire was suppressed on its own and as mentioned by this guy below.

Below weblink gives more detail. https://interestingengineering.com/innovation/stanfords-ev-battery-magic-more-life On the surface it seems almost too good to be true, but that is what Stanford Linear Accelerator Center engineers came up with and published. Too bad for the process to work it needs to happen during the factory first charge otherwise I would put a lightning rod on my Atto and park it out in the open during a Thailand thunder & lightning storm. But I can't take credit for this lightning rod idea as I got the idea from EOW image he post earlier about a super quick charging EV that used the lightning rod method.😜 But seriously, a decade (or sooner) from now I'm sure EV batteries will be have two to three times greater capacity, have lifetimes two to three times longer (like 30 to 50 years), and costing a lot less will be the norm for mass market EVs.

Well, in regards to some of my questions above, I did that online training today in preparation for renewal of my car and motorcycle license renewals. The only course offered for a "foreigner" was a combo car, tuk-tuk, and motorcycle....basically a combo/generic type training video that covers all three type vehicles. For a foreigner there was no separate course offered for a motorcycle. I registered with my passport. See 1st Snapshot below. And I did pass the course and the QR Code Training Certificate issued is good for 180 days (6 months). It's a four part course/video that takes approx 15 to 20 minutes "per part" to finish. Parts 1 and 2 is in Thai with Thai narrators but with English subtitles. Part 3 and 4 are totally in English with western narrators...no subtitle needed or provided. During each part only "one" question is asked and it may or may not be a subject that the video was covering....it just seemed to be a random test question. So, a total of 4 questions asked during the 4 part video which takes a little over an hour total. "Now, if a Thai" you registered with your Thai ID car then the online courses offered is different in that there is one course for a car & tuk-tuk and then a separate course for a motorcycle....see 2nd snapshot below. My Thai wife took the course as her car license needs renewal soon. It also is a 4 parts one hour total video.....and the parts/video is completely different from the foreigner version....different video all together. But still only one question per part asked....QR Code Training Certificate good for 180 days. 1st snapshot of training course offered "when registering/logging in as a foreigner." Notice the course covers motorcycles, tricycles "and" cars. It's like a combo course. 2nd snapshot: However for a Thai who registered with their Thai ID there is a separate motorcycle course offered and a separate course for a car or tuk-tuk/tricycle. Different from the course for a foreigner where there is a combo course that covers car, tuk-tuk, "and" motorcycle as shown in above 1st snapshot.

By the way, for you ReverSharger app users you will notice there are around two dozen "Shell" chargers also shown in the app....they are the ones using the seashell icon. Anyway, it sure appears theses Shell chargers rarely get used. A few minutes ago I clicked on almost everyone of those approx two dozen Shell DC chargers and not one of them was is use....always showing all DC chargers available. On previoius days I've done the same out of curiosity ...I don't remember I've ever found a Shell charger in use. Now, I'm sure some of them get used sometimes; it just I've never seen them in use on the app or when I happen to drive by one and can see it. I expect they are rarely used due to their Bt10 per KWH plus Bt10 per hour parking fee where most other charging companies are around Bt8/KWH and may not have a parking/reservation fee. So, since they are rarely used they might be a good choice to use if heading on on a long trip and you are looking for a DC charger that has a very high probability of being available when you arrive at the charger. But as mentioned they charge more than other charging companies....but at least you could immediately charge up and get on your way again.

The DC chargers I've used at three different BYD dealerships the chargers were all 100-120KW chargers which means when both connectors are in use the maximum charge available drops to around 60KW. In fact the great majority of DC chargers used by all charging companies in Thailand seems to be around 100-120KW as I've looked at the electrical/KWH ratings plate on these chargers when doing a DC charge....it's a ratings plate that usually down near the bottom of the charger on the side or rear. And many charging apps like the PTT app will show the chargers rating right in the app, but the ReverSharger app does not (or at least I don't see it anywhere). Normally when I charge at a ReverSharger DC charger for some free electrons I'm starting my Atto's charge from the 50 to 80% SoC ballpark....and actually the great majority of those charging sessions have started from the 60 to 80% SoC ballpark. If I'm driving by an available red pin charger and got time to spare I will pull-in and top up. Since the Atto's charge curve allows up to a 88KW charge rate up to around 65% SoC I do get approx that 88KW charge rate "if I'm the only one using the 120KW ReverSharger" and I start my charge session with a SoC of less than 65%. But after I reach approx 65% SoC the Atto's charging curve only allows a around 55-60KW charge rate. Even if I was the only one using say a 300KW charger my Atto would only allow around a 55-60KW from that 300KW charger. And then around 85% SoC on the Atto's charging curve the max rate allowed is approx 35KW...and then around 98% SoC the max rate will start tapering from 35KW to 10KW until it reaches full 100% charge. According the Atto's charging curve data below these different max charge rates along the entire 0-100% SoC charge curve averages out to 58.7KW which means a 120KW charger which shares power between its two DC connectors would probably provide all the power the Atto requests from 0 to 100% SoC "assuming", repeat, assuming only one of the two connectors was being used and/or maybe even if both connectors are being used as the EV on the other connector may be charging within the portion of it's charge curve that requires less than 60KW which then allow your EV to receive that unused power to meet your charging curve need. I think since many, many, many EVs up to recent times have had batteries in the 50-60KW ballpark that charging companies have statistics/data that shows a 120KW charger will on the average satisfy the great majority of EVs that need to use that charger especially since both of the DC charger's connectors are probably "not being used at the same time" at those chargers where a person is paying for electrons. Plus, DC chargers are expensive to install....the more powerful the charger the more expensive it is to include higher cost for the electric company to run power to it. DC chargers around 120KWH seem to be the sweet spot right now....but as EV batteries slowly increase in KWH size and are also able to accept a higher charging curve rate the DC charger sweet spot is probably going to increase to around180- 200KWH "if charging companies decide economically/profit-wise that is the sweet spot." I'm sure many EV owners would like all DC chargers to be able to always meet whatever the max charge rate of their particular EV is, but I expect data/statistics showing real world DC charging needs/usage does not economically support. Atto 3 Extended Range 60.5KWH Battery Charging Curve https://evkx.net/models/byd/atto_3/atto_3/chargingcurve/

Below is how "an ambulance chaser" (a.k.a., a personal injury attorney in the U.S.) puts it regarding airbag non-deployment during an accident.. https://www.thechampionfirm.com/blog/why-didn-t-my-airbag-go-off-in-my-car-accident/#:~:text=The Nature of the Collision&text=Each vehicle has sensors that,airbag deployment will not happen.

No....the Kia stuff/snapshot is from googling which took me to a Kia manual talking airbag deployment (but I know you are jesting). Regarding airbag deployment on an Atto back in mid August when I went to a nearby BYD Dealership to get some free charging/electrons I need to queue for about 15 minutes until a charger became available. The security guard let me park in their body shop maintenance shed just to get out of the sun until the charger freed-up....I got out and walked around a little to look at stuff such as damaged vehicles. In that body shop maintenance area there were 3 or 4 various BYD vehicles that had been in major accidents....I mean major damage or totaled. One of them was an Atto that had apparently been in a very serious collision and then also rolled the car from looking at the damage on the sides and trunk area. The damage was around twice as worst as shown in your earlier post...to include every window being shattered, left rear axle bent to a 45 degree angle, rear trunk area damaged, engine area damaged a LOT more than in your picture above. This vehicle had definitely been in a serious-serious accident....car was surely totaled. And the traction battery had "not" been damaged the best I could tell from looking at the underside and around the car. One thing that stood out to me was "all" airbags had deployed and the cabin integrity was not breached in any way....the driver and passengers definitely have good protection from the cabin being seriously crushed-in where shoulder/seat beats and airbags would provide little to no protection. Actually seeing that totaled Atto and how the cabin area remained intact, traction battery apparently undamaged, and all airbags having deployed gave me a good feeling that the Atto provides excellent driver/passenger protection in an accident.

It looks like he ran into a "pole" and when I look in the BYD Atto manual and do some googling about "hitting a utility pole" the Atto manual (1st snapshot below) and googling about airbags deployment when hitting certain objects it says airbags might "not" deploy if hitting a utility pole, tree or similar object as the force of the impact is concentrated to where the full force of impact is not delivered to the impact/airbag sensors. See the explanation given in the KIA manual below (2nd snapshot below). And my googling seemed to indicate this is a common issue with many cars....there are certain types of impacts that simply may not trigger airbag deployment. From the Atto manual From the Kia manual

I will add that from watching a lot of Youtube videos I consider very creditable and lots of googling over the last week regarding how Tesla determines the current SOH, it is done by initiating a special battery capacity test the owner can initiate in the car's infotainment service menu area. Basically this test can take 12 to 24 hrs because it discharges the battery to the 0 to 5% SoC ballpark and then recharges to 100% on a slow charger (i.e., 7KW or less). During this recharge the battery's "capacity" is measured by the OBD system....that is, how many KWH/AH the battery can "now" hold compared to its rated capacity when new from the factory. Up until the EV owner runs this test the car's infotainment display will continue to report a 100% SOH....even if the Tesla EV is many years old...and has lot of mileage and charges under its belt. Once this test is run the SOH reading is updated....no longer reports 100% but reports the "current" SOH which will be something less than 100% assuming the EV has at least a few months of usage under its belt.

Update to above: From further review/testing of the "SOH" reading of 95.88% provided by the Car Scanner Pro app and OBD2 dongle I have determined it is "not" providing the "current", repeat, current SOH. Instead, it's providing a reading based on data/a measurement hard-coded into the vehicle at the "Factory"/when the EV was manufactured--and this Factory data/measurement is never updated....it's hard-coded/locked data/measurement and is never updated/changed as the vehicle is driven over the ensuring years. And it's not necessarily a Factory SOH measurement; instead, it's just another battery capacity test done at the factory for testing purposes before the vehicle gets shipped out to a BYD dealership somewhere in the world. Basically, the app is providing a "Calculated" SOH (the operative word is calculated) by dividing the Factory measurement of "HV Battery Pack Factory Nominal Capacity of 145.73AH" by the Factory data entry of "HV Battery Pack Pack Factory Capacity of 152AH." See 2nd snapshot below. And the 152AH metric is not actually a measurement but a rating given by the battery manufacturer. Now the 145.73AH metric is probably an actual measurement which is then hard-coded/locked into the vehicle's OBD system. These two hard-coded metrics are shown in the scanner app and pulled directly from the vehicle OBD system. Divide 145.73 by 152 and you get 95.875% which when rounded is 95.88% which is the exact same number shown in the separate SOH reading displayed in the app (see 3rd snapshot below). I expect the Car Scanner app developer has received a lot of requests to add a SOH reading to the app but since the OBD data for such a measurement is probably proprietary info that BYD does not want to release other than probably to BYD Dealerships which have specialized BYD diagnostic equipment that the app developer just used the two accessible "HV Battery Pack Factory OBD metrics" talked above and then assumed a "calculation" of those two metrics (i.e., divide one by the other) was the only way to provide a SOH reading. Unfortunately, as mentioned earlier those two metrics never change/are hard coded/done at the factory. But the app developer did title the SOH reading as "SOH Calculated" vs simply SOH. I expect the vehicle does track the "current" SOH and updates a SOH metric in the OBD system but BYD is not releasing open-source type info which would allow OBD Scanner developers to write software to pull that info from the vehicle's OBD system. So, I expect some app developers just do the best they can to provide some type of SOH reading although the way they are doing it may not be valid....but it's good enough to make some/many customers think the SOH reading is the real-world, current battery SOH when it fact it is not. Those customers will figure that after a while when they wonder why the SOH reading never changes after years of driving the vehicle. I came to above conclusion after finding out that when I discharged the battery to less than 10% and then recharged to 100% the SOH reading nor those two "HV Battery Pack Factory" readings did not change....not even when the measurement indicate to two decimal points. A few days ago I discharged my Atto down to 1% on the car's display (which was actually 0.9% per OBD data) and then did a full recharge to 100% at home using my 7KW wall charger. And I did not discharge to 1% by just driving the car around to say I got down to around 5% and then just let the car idle with A/C and headlights on to further discharge it down to 1% in the safety of my home carport. Oh no , I got down to 1% after an approx 150Km trip....arrived back home with 1% charge and 5Km range remaining....am I brave or not...or just crazy!!!! The WLTP range rating of my Atto is 420Km with no A/C usage as the WLTP test is accomplished without A/C turned on....but I got a real world range of 424.1km with A/C always on and set to 22C. This provides solid evidence the vehicle's battery SOH is still very good after my 10.5 months of use and having a little over 20,000Km on the odometer. 1st snapshot below shows since my last full charge I drove 419.1Km with 5Km range left when hitting 1% charge remaining. 2nd Snapshot: shows those "HV Battery Pack Factory" metrics I was talking about. Divide the two as discuss earlier and you get 95.88%. Also, shows another hard-coded metric from the factory of a 64% State of Charge (SoC)....this metric has never changed....it just records/shows the EV was charged to 64% before being shipped out to the world. 3rd Snapshot: Shows the SOH reading. I shortened the title to simply SOH vs SOH Calculated. When I first added the reading to the app's display it was titled SOH Calculated but I shortened it to simply SOH. Kinda like how you might save a browser bookmark but then change/edit/shorten/lengthen the bookmark title so it makes sense to you. ***********************

@Charlie D. Which DD deposit method are you using? ACH or IDD? And have you been receiving SS payments for a while to another bank OR is this you first SSA pension payment. If your first payment are you sure the payment was suppose to be made for this month? If IDD, the payment can go to "any" Thai bank and does "not" have to be a restricted account. But if using ACH the payment can only go to Bangkok Bank with a "special restricted" account specifically for U.S. govt reoccurring payments like SSA [pension. Bangkok Bank is the only Thai bank with ACH receiving capability. If you are using ACH and trying to send it to a "unrestricted" Bangkok Bank acct then Bangkok Bank at some point will block the payment since it's not going into a restricted acct. Sometimes Bangkok Bank will catch this attempt right off the bat and in some cases it could be months or years before they catch it. I sure know over a decade ago when I attempted to have one of my govt pensions sent to my "unrestricted/regular" Bangkok Bank saving acct via ACH my Bangkok Bank branch caught it on the 2nd payment and I got a letter from them they had the payment on-hold and I needed to come in and open a "restricted" acct to receive reoccurring U.S. govt payment via ACH.

If your direct deposit was via "IDD" (i.e., uses the SWIFT system) it "typically posts on the 3rd of the month"....but sometimes it might be on the 1st to the 4th. And the SSA says it could be up to 3 days later depending on the policies of the receiving bank. Like this month's IDD posting date occurred the morning of 4 Sep as my wife has been getting her SS direct deposit via IDD for years now. And a poster I sometimes message with also got his IDD direct deposit for September on 4 Sep. But typically, it's the 3rd plus or minus a day or two if using IDD. Now if your direct deposit was via "ACH" and depending on if you have your Thailand address or a U.S. address on-file with the SSA then the payment/payment date could be o/a the 3rd of the month (plus or minus a few days just like for IDD) if you have a Thailand address "or" later in the month depending on your date of birth during the month if you have a U.S. address.

The Bangkok Post has a 6 Sep 2024 article titled: Thai EV Sales to Miss Target As Banks Curb Loans on Debt Risk. To summarize some of the points in the article: - Thailand EV sales will miss its target/forecast for 2024 according to the Electric Vehicle Association of Thailand. The association is revising its original forecast from 150K to 80K EV sales. But this 80K forecast is still 5% more than the 76K EV sold in 2023. - Thailand auto industry is cutting it 1.9M production forecast for all types of vehicles (i.e., ICEV, EV, etc) to 1.7M. - Banks now have a 50% auto loan refusal rate for all types of vehicles to reduce non-performing loan risks....that definitely affects auto sales. - The auto industry is having a down year in various ways. - Etc....etc....etc

Yeah...usually a queue at most of the ReverSharger Red Pin chargers....OR there is no red pin chargers in your typical drive area...OR some of the red pin chargers which use to be operational have went in-operational and been in-operational for weeks. Being able to get some free electrons under the ongoing BYD charging promotion is a "throw if the dice" unless you want to set in a queue for what could be a lengthy time assuming you have access to a red pin charger. But hey, the BYD promotion is better than a kick in the pants. I've had 11 free charging sessions from early Aug thru 3 Sep with 10 of 11 sessions occurring by 24 Aug as finding an operational red pin charger or one without one or more vehicles in the queue has become very difficult over the last 10 days or so based on where I drive/live here in the western Bangkok greater metro area. I don't do queues of more than 10-15 minutes...unless the charger is immediately (or almost) available when I happen to drive by it I will not use it....instead, I just fill-up with electrons from my home wall charger.

OMG!!!!.....does this mean the anti-EV YouTube channels will be deleting their videos that proclaim hydrogen-powered passenger cars as the EV Killer. If so, Mr Toyota and other anti-EV groups are not going to be happy. But if those anti-EV channels start doing more "hybrid is the future" videos then Mr Toyota and other groups should remain happy. Adding on a "little bit" of supplemental electric power to an ICEV so a HEV badge can be stuck on the vehicle seems to be ICEV industry master plan to slow the march to fully electric for most (not all) passenger vehicles. 😀😁😎

Sounds good to me.

Mine was from a different DLT spreadsheet that had tens of thousands of spreadsheet rows along with pull down menus a person can select to pick certain vehicle categories, months, etc. As I said earlier "...if I summed and sorted correctly..." maybe I didn't...maybe various spreadsheets from the DLT website will give slightly different results....and as you said the DLT stats are difficult to navigate. Go with the numbers from your snapshot above since DLT did that summary sheet.

Two BYD Dealerships/showrooms within a 10 minute drive of my western Bangkok residence have had DC & AC charging stations installed and ready to go for around a year now but the chargers still can't be used because the dealerships are still waiting for MEA (i.e., the electric company for the Bangkok area) to provide power to the chargers.

As FYI, the latest DLT registrations stats for August are out on the DLT website. The DLT completely redid how they display the stats in their spreadsheet....less detail. But if I sorted and summed correctly for the "RY1" category only (i.e., passenger vehicles of no more than 7 passengers) a total of 39,444 of all RY1 fuel types (i.e., petrol, diesel, electric, CNG, etc) were registered for August with 6,202 (15.7%) of those being fully electric. I expect autolife will soon come out with some stats but recently they have been adding in some fully electric from a couple other category other than RY1 so I fully expect their numbers will be a little different.

As FYI, the latest DLT registrations stats for August are out on the DLT website. The DLT completely redid how they display the stats in their spreadsheet....less detail. But if I sorted and summed correctly for the "RY1" category only (i.e., passenger vehicles of no more than 7 passengers) a total of 39,444 of all RY1 fuel types (i.e., petrol, diesel, electric, CNG, etc) were registered for August with 6,202 (15.7%) of those being fully electric. I expect autolife will soon come out with some stats but recently they have been adding in some fully electric from a couple other category other than RY1 so I fully expect their numbers will be a little different.

You talking forklifts?

Interesting in the last statement about updating the app on your phone....can kinda imply a person needs the updated app for things to work properly after the maintenance update. But Google Play for Android shows the latest ReverSharger update as 22 July 2024. If an app update is required they sure are waiting till the last minute since 4 Sep is less than 7 hours away Thailand time.

Roojai is really only a broker/middleman with insurance companies. It's the insurance companies with the new EV coverage rules that causing the big increase.