thaibeachlovers

This is off topic. That's it for me on the wheel and welding. Topic is has-science-been-beneficial-or-detrimental-to-humanity.

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I didn't say that air is not science as indeed it is just air. Discovering the components of air would be science. Extraction of O2 from air is manufacturing/ engineering. As a qualified welder I'd like to see you weld steel with acetylene alone, however, yes, electric arc welding, is done without O2.

IMO since most people apparently don't believe in God anymore, they have elevated science to that position in their life. Seems apt, as believing something they don't know much about can answer their prayers fits with science worship.

Are you sure about that? Google "how long have humans been on earth" and it comes up with "Approximately 300,000 years ago, the first Homo sapiens — anatomically modern humans — arose alongside our other hominid relatives." I thought it was only 50,000 years, but apparently I wuz wrong.

Indeed, they were called clever.

That's engineering, IMO, not science. Discovering that O2 exists in air would be science.

That goes back to whether we are ALL scientists, or not.

I have zero idea as to how I can type this on a machine here and it can be read all over the world in a matter of mere seconds. However, the OP is about whether it is beneficial or detrimental to do so, and I might well be better occupied doing something else. IMO science has enabled something so addictive I have spent thousands of hours typing things that will be forgotten by the next day, and of no ascertainable benefit to myself. I'll leave the reader to decide if that is beneficial or detrimental.

I have done so.

As a farang I had a far, far higher quality of life in LOS than in any other country I lived in. Switzerland may have a better quality of life in some people's opinion, but I'd never ever want to live there ( and I have been there ). "Facts are Facts, your misleading opinion doesn't really matter" Right back at you.

No idea what "If you completed your education, given up on health and decent health care" means, but I didn't consider my Thai family members' education, health care, or career prospects my responsibility as they were richer than I, and even had they been poorer I didn't marry them. I ignored the "culture" as much as possible, as it was always used as a way to try and make me give them money without any benefits to myself. I WAS an alien, and never allowed to forget it when I had to go to the immigration office 4 times a year. Foreign food in LOS was generally the same over processed, full of chemicals <deleted> that I live on in the west, and I generally ate the same food as Thais do at the same price as they.

Silly me! I thought concrete was used to make the roads better to use, rather than to raise land prices. Live and learn, what?

That might be preferable to being left to die as used to happen ( and might still ) in non welfare countries. In a certain country I believe just being born female was a death sentence at a time in history

Service charge is not the same as tipping, but I fail to see why it's not included in the prices.

Perhaps present day welfare state countries like to give benefits to people that never worked/ paid taxes in them before, but in a just world they wouldn't. I wouldn't even give citizens benefits if they were capable of working and refused to do so.

Perhaps America should see the light and have a minimum wage sufficient to live on without needing tips, which apparently are not voluntary in the USA, so not really "tips", IMO.

We generally don't have much say in whether we get cancer or some other similar life destroying disease. Happiness usually departs once the medics destroy us to save us ( happened to me ). However, while I agree with the first being essential for happiness, I'd add money, as it's not much fun having to work in a sweat shop for 9,000 baht a month just to survive.

I never knew how <deleted> my life was till I discovered Thailand, but it was <deleted>.

You have a choice?

I don't want to be 100, or even 80. There is absolutely nothing in a "rest home" that I want to experience as a unit of income for the greedy corporation that will run it for profit.

LOL. I'm pretty sure most use the word science to describe the scientific process, rather than Og the caveman discovering that fire made him warmer and frightened wild animals, or that Ug the cavewoman discovered that a tree trunk could be used as a roller, and subsequently a wheel.

IMO you don't.

I disagree. We have been around for 50,000 years or so, most of that entirely without the presence of "science". One doesn't need any knowledge of science or physics etc to invent a crossbow, a longbow, armour, the wheel, chimneys etc etc etc.

In the post you quoted I wasn't referring to "science", but his opinion. Soooooo science isn't fixed? Perhaps someone should remind the politicians that have jumped on various bandwagons of that fact.