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JAG

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  1. 3 hours ago, Samui Bodoh said:

    You agreed. Every step of the way, you agreed. Every treaty, you agreed. Every new rule, you agreed. Every new policy, you agreed. If you hadn't agreed, you could have left, but you didn't. You stayed, and thus you agreed.

    One of the main planks of the argument for leaving is that the EU has changed considerably from the trading organisation which we entered, and confirmed membership of with the 1975 referendum.

    Those changes have been ratified by Parliament. In the cases of (at least the two main treaties which significantly changed the EU, and laid the foundations for the putative federal state which it now is): Maastricht and Lisbon, they were ratified by a heavily whipped vote in Parliament, with many Parliamentary rebels. In both cases the Government managed to assemble a majority, but it was arguably against the popular will. The Lisbon Treaty was so unpopular that it was signed, with no publicity, in the ante room of a hotel during an EU summit!

     

    The referendum was the result of a long running campaign for a vote on the matter, going back at least as far as Maastricht. The EU had changed from a trading partnership, and was fast becoming a federal state, albeit one not distinguished by the level of democratic representation enjoyed in Canada (or the US). The political establishment had managed to close down the debate on this, particularly at successive general elections, although UKIP snapping at the heels of the Tories in particular led to the referendum being called! The result was a shock to that political establishment. They seem to have reacted by basically trying to arrange "business as usual" whilst claiming by to be arranging for Brexit. They have actually made no real preparations for leaving. They have been rumbled. Hence the "steaming crock of shit" analogy.

    3 hours ago, Samui Bodoh said:

    Sorry, to ask me to react in the North American context to an EU situation simply doesn't work; Canada chose NOT to enter into an agreement like the EU.

    I fully accept that NAFTA is not comparable to the EU, but I stand by asked by how you would regard a Mexican politician telling you what to do.

    3 hours ago, Samui Bodoh said:

    Second, the argument in favour of leaving for cultural/identity reasons does hold some validity to me, even though I think it is wrong here. Simply put, in my view the British culture has sustained itself for generations and generations and is much more resilient that the EU influence. I think we disagree on that, so lets just leave it there for now.

    As the EU moves towards its "ever closer union" it is to many of us clear that this inevitably means common fiscal, legislative and judicial systems, together with a universal common currecy. We would have to adopt the Euro, and change to a more codified "Napoleonic" judicial and legal systems. Trial by Jury and Common Law would be likely to go. Massive cultural changes for the UK, which even the most resilient nation could not absorb. These are admittedly over the horizon, but nevertheless to be considered. I think that the pressure for them is inevitable.

    3 hours ago, Samui Bodoh said:

    Sorry, but you would not re-model a bathroom without a plan (this was a point made by another member above...

    Perhaps one could ask whether you could accept a remodeling plan for your bathroom, in which your kitchen was removed, to be replaced by your new bathroom, the fittings colour scheme and contractors for said remodeling being decided by a committee nominated by other householders in your neighborhood, and to an arbitrary timescale over which you had little control. Oh, and a couple of households in the next street wanted new bathrooms as well, but couldn't afford them, so you would be required to contribute towards them.

    Extending analogies is always imprecise, but perhaps that illustrates where many of us see our place in the EU.

     

    Finally, yes I am angry with my Parliament and government. More angry than I have ever been in 40 odd years of following and thinking about politics and governance in my country. I think that they have managed, through a combination of deceit and woeful incompetence, to make a difficult, challenging process which was however within the ability of our nation to resolve, into a steaming crock of shit.

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  2. 1 hour ago, Just Weird said:

    Which international convention would that be, if you're so sure of it?  Would it be the one that the US, for instance, didn't ratify?

    I don't know - you see, that's why I said that I was sure I had read it somewhere.

    If I knew which one it was, (if it existed), then I would have quoted or "linked" it. I don't, so I didn't.

     

    Is there one the US didn't ratify then?

  3. 2 hours ago, TopDeadSenter said:

    No. Not easy. His crimes of arson and vandalism were committed in Bahrain. That is where he should be returned to. The fact the Australia gave the nod to have him arrested attests to the credibility and seriousness of his despicable crimes. And also gives credence to the legal trial that convicted him. Send him back to Bahrain, let him serve his sentence, then he can go on holiday to Australia or for work whatever(as a free man).

     The notion that criminals can run abroad to soft touch countries (Canada and Oz) and seek asylum from their criminal sentences is a disgrace. That this guy flaunted his run and hide game made it even worse.

    Umh, apparently the crimes of which he was convicted were committed, whilst he was also playing in a football match, which was being broadcast on TV! 

     

    An astonishingly resourceful young man. 

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  4. 1 hour ago, robblok said:

    I wish the regulations as a whole were a lot less strict, its not as if many people were stealing jobs from Thais. That is in the head of the Thais, most work that foreigners do is teaching English and many do it good.

    Well even! ????

     

    Sorry Rob, I couldn't resist that - as an English teacher. I absolutely agree with what you say. 

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  5. 29 minutes ago, lamyai3 said:

    Is scum a technical term? 

    In this context it refers broadly to anyone who has less money than the person who uses the term.

     

    Perhaps more accurately, less money than the person using the term wishes the reader to assume he has (remember this is essentially an anonymous forum)!

     

    Either way, it demonstrates a revealing lack of empathy for anyone who may be forced to contemplate leaving or leave their homes and family or loved ones by these clumsy regulations. A lack of empathy which often distinguishes those sometimes dismissed as "scum"!

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  6. 5 hours ago, roo860 said:

    'Smokers will no longer be able to have a puff in the special rooms set aside at Suvanabhumi, Don Muang, Phuket, Chiang Mai, Had Yai and Mae Fa Luang (Chiang Rai) airports.' 

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    Great reporting, probably only people from the UK will understand the funny side.

     

     

    Sent from my SM-G920F using Thailand Forum - Thaivisa mobile app

     

     

     

     

    I'm not sure may will get the "double entendre". 

     

    B5000 is a bit steep for a quick fag too.!

  7. 3 hours ago, Baerboxer said:

     

    Blame Interpol. They issued a notice at the request of Bahrain. So much for their "not to take action when cases are politically motivated" rule; and they ignored his UN refugee status and granting of asylum by Australia.

     

    Thailand, as members of Interpol, have a responsibility to act.

     

    But one would hope the Thai courts would also quickly recognize the UN and Australian position and release him back to Australia. 

     

    As for making him wear shackles and bare feet to attend court - that does so much for the image!

    I understand that Interpol have rescinded the notice. 

     

    Thailand seems to be determined to continue. 

     

    I wonder why (how much)? 

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  8. 16 minutes ago, Baerboxer said:

     

    And now would be a very good time, with a strong baht, to build up offshore cash investments in USD and other currencies.

     

    Again, the very small number who might possibly think of or actually do that have no influence whatsoever on those guiding monetary policy. Blame those wicked farang money speculators and forex dealers!

    You are surely not suggesting that there may be some "making hay while the sun shines"?

  9. 21 hours ago, brain150 said:

    That's when I stopped reading this piece of propaganda shit !

     

    The "Allies" never were in Auschwitz ! The red army "liberated" Auschwitz and raped every woman they could get their hands on. That's historical fact !!!

     

    If you see any photo with GIs in Auschwitz you know it's fake ... unless the photo was taken AFTER 1989 !!!

    There was NEVER an Investigation about the Holocaust unless you want to talk about the Holocaust done to the German people in Dresden in 1945 - women, children and old people - no soldiers were in Dresden at that time !!!

     

    Get your history straight !

     

    BTW:

    The swastika is a very ancient symbol - you will find it all over the world in many temples.

    The brainwashing sits so deep it's unbelievable - and the teachers are the most brainwashed of all !!!

     

     

     

    It is noteworthy that whenever Swastikas, Nazism or The Holocaust is mentioned on this forum there are always posters who attempt to deflect, deny or compare ("whataboutism") it. 

     

    That the Holocaust happened is beyond dispute. That it was planned, driven and committed by people from a civilized developed nation is likewise beyond dispute.

     

    That the swastika has existed in many cultures is beyond dispute, it is also totally irrelevant to it's use in Nazi iconography.

     

    Personally I think the ignorance of the whole business within the Thai education system (which sparked this debate) is lamentable, pathetic even, and reveals real weakness within that system. I think that attempts to excuse such ignorance by claiming that it is irrelevant, or in some way justifiable or comparable with other, equally abominable events, or that it didn't really happen in the way history records it, is an indefensible accommodation with evil. It is "a piece of shit".

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