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You're right. We should have just left.

I didn't sign it.

There are still hundreds of EU laws on the UK statute books. As the UK is no longer in the EU, they can be removed by special acts of parliament singly or en bloc. The main problem seems to be is that the UK is still signed up to the ECHR, which is how just one judge (somewhere but not the UK) managed to stop the first intended flight to Rwanda.

No self-respecting car thief will want a car that doesn't flip on quickly.

The statement was obviously made on the day following the incident. I said that I think this is a half-truth. That is my opinion. So sue me. There have been few "facts" given - that is one reason for my suspicion. Your supposition that I hope to blame EVs is nonsense. What I do hope is that unnecessary injury and death can be minimized by improvements. If these EV vehicle batteries continue to show this type of spontaneous and violent combustion, then the batteries need to be made much safer.

Yes, I saw that. However, the chief of the same brigade was quoted as I posted. Sorry to say this but I think this is a half-truth. When interviewed, this man steered well clear of describing the fire and its causes but was giving travel advice instead - not really his job at all! If you can show what was actually burning during the initial stages of the fire then I can listen but as you have said, the fuel wasn't diesel.

Andrew Hopkinson, chief fire officer for Bedfordshire Fire and Rescue Service, said. “It’s believed to be diesel-powered, at this stage all subject to verification.” https://www.autoblog.com/2023/10/12/heres-the-car-that-sparked-a-massive-1500-vehicle-fire-at-london-airport-car-park/ Believed to be! Sounds like half-truth waffle to me. With CCTV likely to be at least at the CP entry, then the car number should be logged and the owner and vehicle type easily identified. With the VDO evidence so far, there is a high probability that it's a hybrid-diesel SDV6 IMO. No charging but looks like a big battery for a small gain by the Range Rover specs.

Looks more like someone stole his bicycle.

I have had some bad experiences with fires - all were potential (fatal) catastrophes and close calls. I've only done short-course fire prevention and containment training (theory+practical - several repeats). I've worked with devices that use Li batteries for decades but these were not vehicles and were not cause of the fires, thanks be. That said, personally, I will try and stay away from EV's and lithium for as long as possible. As I see that you were a full time professional, then I respect that. A worthwhile career leading to a well-deserved pension. Good luck.

Fair enough, thanks.

Here's one for you, then? Most news sources are saying that the Luton Airport carpark fire started from a single parked Range Rover diesel (only) vehicle that ignited somehow - there is still some VDO footage of the car parked, not that close to other vehicles, and with its nose in to the nearest wall. In the VDO I saw, the fire had started, with bright yellow/orange flame coming from what looks to be the front end of the vehicle but with only thin, light density/light colored smoke emitting at the time. I have experienced a few fires, mostly at sea, with the main fuel type being diesel. Ignited diesel typically chucks out heavy black smoke. I know that the diesel used is UK autos is cleaner than marine fuel but not that clean. I find it hard to see this initial event in the car park as a diesel-fueled fire. What do you think?

Advanced stuff! I was restricted to triangles. Thanks for putting the fires out.

The word tetrahedron is a relatively new term added to the traditional concept of the fire triangle, as I'm sure someone of your experience will recall.

Not sure where you get your calculation parameters from? EV and CE fires have both shared and differing characteristics - yes but the differing ones outnumber the shared. Lithium burns at higher temperatures and is far more difficult to extinguish/control.

Your own linked paper seems to agree with what I said (in far more detail of course). I see that you include the word tetrahedron. That is the big difference it seems.

A few reports already that they already have some of it there. Sorry no links at this time.

Right. Hamas would be redundant. The smuggled drugs are killing enough already.

The BIB won't be a problem. But watch out for the BID (boys in drag).

LIB's don't respect the traditional fire triangle. Thermal runaway occurs after a rapid self-heating of a cell, featuring an exothermic chemical reaction between the +ve and -ve electrodes (of different chemical compounds) of the cell. These reactions produce gases, which pressurize and then escape, often as exploding fuel. Nasty stuff lithium.

Exactly. How many diesel cars has anyone seen explode? Ever. Answers on extremely small postcards, please. Sounds like the CC crew trying to make sure an EV is not the culprit.

A bit like your hat.

Another good read? 555

When you've decided which side of the Atlantic you're on, maybe I'll read about it. If you like geography, I can recommend the Oxford Atlas of the World.

As you may be able to work out, I was not personally involved in this legislation and so can't claim any credit. But it was an important start and I'm glad it was passed.

If you want context, try this. Whatever a few British "radicals" thought, the Slave Trade Act of 1807 and the Slavery Abolition Act of 1833 were passed to outlaw slavery. The Slave Trade Act was followed up using the Royal Navy to chase and stop slave ships off Africa for the next 60 years.