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3 hours ago, superal said:

The UK will be in an independent state and still able to trade with the EU without being tied to its bureaucracy .

Everyone is trading with the EU, so congrats for that achievement! 

3 hours ago, superal said:

The stubborn EU is losing out to billions of Euros because it will not talk to the new UK PM  , quite astonishing that the EU is acting like a spoiled brat .

I assume you conveniently didn’t include in your calculation what will be earned through import duties etc.? Same as you conveniently ignored the billions the UK is losing? (Not to mention that it was the UK PM who said he will not talk to anyone.)

3 hours ago, superal said:

  Existing trade will continue as the UK is a main importer of EU goods but under what terms remains to be seen .

UK reliance on the EU market: 50% of trade 

EU reliance on the UK market: 7% of trade 

Nuff said. 

1 hour ago, Orac said:

They would be on very tricky constitutional ground to pull that one. The core element of the U.K. constitutional system is the sovereignty of parliament and that the government serves with its confidence. For the PM/govt not to resign would be the same as to prorogue parliament and the Queen to take back power under her appointed PM.

But when have Brexiteers ever cared about the UK’s parliamentary representative democracy? 

No, they don’t. 

27 minutes ago, 3NUMBAS said:

peanuts as uk will be saving 39billion divorce bill so no big deal

Let’s look at the whole picture:

- how much did Brexit cost already?

- how much is now being spent on top to prepare crashing out?

- how much will the worse trade terms cost post-Brexit (because you won’t get a free trade agreement unless you settle your outstanding obligations)? 

I’m wondering how many 350m a week you could have put into the NHS instead. 

“the lines have color” — so it’s not a black-and-white photo. 

1 minute ago, vogie said:

So that makes it ok for other nations to suffer because they are suffering less than the UK, I'm sure there is some kind of logic in there somewhere, but for the life in me, I just don't see it.

You don’t see the logic that someone doesn’t buy into an empty threat? 

1 hour ago, vogie said:

The excuses the EUmainers come out with to justify a most undemocratic system of electing your leaders is totally unbelievable, "indirectly" what is that supposed to mean?

Someone whose own head of state and commander-in-chief is unelected complaining about an “undemocratic system”. Hilarious. 

3 minutes ago, vogie said:

Deflect and engage in as much whataboutry as much as you like, we are discussing how Boris and how Ursula von der Leyen are voted in and from where I'm standing the UK is far more democratic than the EU, but of course this will never be accepted by people when cut up have the letters EU running through them like a stick of Blackpool Rock.

So help me out here, this year there was a choice of 3 candidates.

1. Ursula von der Leyen

2. Ursula von der Leyen

3. Ursula von der Leyen

These candidates were chosen seruptiously behind closed doors.

So now to the nitty gritty, how many MEPs voted for these choices, 380ish.

"A Union of nations" with their own currency, there own anthem and there own flag. ????????????

If you havn't realised why "you brexiteers" are are so against your undemocratic EU, can I suggest you havn't been following these threads very closely. But may I throw that question back at you, why are you EUmainers so against the British?

Great rant-o-thon by the way.

 

People whose head of state and commander-in-chief is unelected babbling about democracy. Cute. 

The “bold new deal” will be a relabeled May Withdrawal Agreement or some sort of Customs Union deal. With Brexiteers in the cabinet now, they, same as Johnson himself, will will want to stay in power as long as possible, while preventing to be responsible or having to deal with a no-deal crash. It could attract a majority in parliament, and they could sell it to the spoonies (they know the average Brexit voter doesn’t understand shxt and just has to be whispered sweet words). 

Otherwise it’ll be a general election. 

7 minutes ago, BritManToo said:

I doubt anyone had the authority to sign any deal on behalf of the UK without it being ratified by parliament.

You’re right, same as I doubt anyone had the authority to declare an advisory referendum binding on behalf of the UK without changing the constitution. 

44 minutes ago, terryw said:

The EU and Remoaners still don't get it. The main reason for voting Brexit was never economic, but the belief that we can better manage the UK outside the EU.

What exactly do you plan to manage when your economy is screwed? The screwed economy?