bravingbangkok

Well I would like to add that all those who are saying they would have stood up to him and possibly given him a knock around are just stupid, I am sorry but not everything has to lead to fistycuffs and most certainly not in this situation, okay yeah if a girl is being gang raped then yeah but not for a single slap.

You could have always walked over there and asked them both is everything alright or to calm down and talk things out.

I am amazed that lots of posters on here actually think that what the OP did was the right thing to do. Although brave it most certainly was not the right thing to do and most things in life can always be talked out.

Credit to OP, can't see why some people are having a go at him. Doing the right thing isn't always the safest thing, but at least he had the balls to do it.

Good luck if you think with your balls and not your head in life.

Well you obviously do before posting, as you didn't understand what was written.

Sorry you have lost me.

Credit to OP, can't see why some people are having a go at him. Doing the right thing isn't always the safest thing, but at least he had the balls to do it.

Good luck if you think with your balls and not your head in life.

Whats the point in getting involved ? It is none of your business and doing things like that is only going to get you in trouble. I commend you but I feel you did totally the wrong thing, you should have gone to get someone who is Thai, even then they would have told you to mind your own business.

Boy tries to hit you, you kick the shit out of him and either his friends come or the police. You go to the police station, his dad or uncle knows people and you end up being charged with assault. Of course the girl will deny he hit her otherwise she will be called a whore and rumors started she is a shit shag and then where are you then ? 2 years in a Thai jail and thrown out of the country.

How do you know what has happened, maybe she had fuc_ked someone else, maybe in doing so caught an STD and given it to him....how the fu7ck do you know ?

I have heard that the pilots of these Asian budget airlines are pressured not to abort landings and circle around again because it saves fuel.

As a matter of fact they get a bonus if they can use less fuel than is alocated for the flight.

It would not surprise me, the general public know very little about these budget airlines.

For example say a plane has to have a certain(certain systems and parts have different flying hours checks allowances) system checked every 300hours of flying time, that very system should actually be check every 200-250hours but these low cost airlines take the full 300hours. major airlines would probably do it every 200hours.

I never fly low cost airlines and I never fly airlines who I know are in financial difficulty, financial difficult means bumping the 200 hours too 300 hours....sometimes even more as I expect one2go have and do do on a regular basis hence them being black listed from European air space and airports.

SEE http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alaska_Airlines_Flight_261

Which organisation made the report?

A pilot relies on the info he's receiving from traffic controllers about conditions. Did he receive good or bad information?

I wonder if what you are suggesting is the case, then why has 12Go not filed suit against AOT?

Early days yet. But I still want to know who issued the report.

The phrase under the table springs to mind !

I wanted to confirm but the wind-shear detection-equipment was not working properly on that day. This is a vital instrument to have when landing a plane in bad weather, it may have been the pilot did not receive the wind shear alert until ti was too late, the system might of had a delay who knows...the Thai authorities have done a good job sweeping that one under the carpet...no law suit there then.

You do not ask a batter to go onto the field with a straw do you ?

Once going into Phuket the pilot stopped the landing circled saying it was to stormy or words like that and landed 20 min later this has also happened to us going to Bankok on our last trip.Since talking to a trainer of pilots ,most problems come from relying on auto pilot.If the strip is flooded or storms any bad situation can happen.

Are you saying that planes are landed on auto-pilot ? They follow the glide slop on auto-pilot but will take control in the last minute. The pilot was in control of this plane when he landed it.

+ ATC should advise the pilot and I am sorry the conditions at which the airport was in the plane should not have been allowed to land or even attempt a landing.

one2go = low cost airlines = save money at all costs = land asap = try not to go around = landing at another airport and diverting costs more money = delays = costs more money = etc etc etc

I am not saying the airline was not to blame either because they should of had some sort of practice in place for these situations.

The pilots were missing a lot of information and the ATC are there to help them, they failed as well.

It's all smiles and teddy bears flying an airplane on a perfect day, then try landing one in a tropical storm with horrific wind shear.

This guy was probably a good pilot on a nice day, when it came to making quick do or die decisions and being able to do 20 things at one time as well as fly the plane, I am sorry he just could not hack it and that is why they crashed. As the report says, they should have gone around or diverted to another airport and they should probably turn on the wind shear measure which was actually off and was in the process of being replaced with an updated version.

My belief is AOT is to blame for this one, the guy clearly not going to make it and had already tried and failed. Phuket is a shitty runway as well.

Why would AOT be to blame for this? It's like saying they didn't push the go-around button for him. He chose to try to land in the shitty conditions and did not divert to his alternate. Fruck all to do with AOT IMO.

Because their ground instrument landing system was way below par and I am sure it was not even working at the time. Having a report of wind shear at a range of 0-20metres above the runway is very important, especially in conditions such as that day. I think there was something wrong with the glide slope as well.

It's all smiles and teddy bears flying an airplane on a perfect day, then try landing one in a tropical storm with horrific wind shear.

This guy was probably a good pilot on a nice day, when it came to making quick do or die decisions and being able to do 20 things at one time as well as fly the plane, I am sorry he just could not hack it and that is why they crashed. As the report says, they should have gone around or diverted to another airport and they should probably turn on the wind shear measure which was actually off and was in the process of being replaced with an updated version.

My belief is AOT is to blame for this one, the guy clearly not going to make it and had already tried and failed. Phuket is a shitty runway as well.

As Briggsy's list suggests, Khon Kaen is one of the best Thai universities outside the Bangkok Metropolitan area and certainly the best in Isaan. The campus is pleasant and it seems to have quite a nice student culture. Does KKU compare with a leading Western university? That is a more difficult question and I would say the answer is: 'only in some subjects'. Incidentally it is Chula that usually ranks highest in the ratings game - it is currently 166th in the Times QS rankings:

http://www.topuniversities.com/worlduniversityrankings

I have some sympathy for Bravingbangkok's view. A good English University is hard to beat. As the recent Research Assessment Exercise results showed, Higher Education is one thing the British still do very well. In terms of bang per buck I'd say it is the world's best system.

I think it is the ONLY thing we do well anymore, Labour even tried to fuc_k it up as well by changing exams and all this sort of nonsense. It is cheap as well even for overseas students, if you cannot quite make it let the lazy brat get a job while they are there Part time can earn them a good 600 pounds a month sometimes more with tips, halls is very cheap but food and amenities are not. Booze is cheap though

Thai uni education itself is not so bad, it is the social scene that puts me off.

http://en.wikinews.org/wiki/Passengers_on_...ane_disappeared

If this turns out to be true, it might not have been sudden.

The QANTAS Airbus fiasco is the event I referred to in my first salvo - ergo the the 'gut feel' that there are issues with the craft as a whole - which slots in better with 'catastrophic sequence' again.

I sent some exotic autos to Tokyo from LAX via Juno, Alaska on JAL some years back.

Because of volcanic soot ingestion they lost all four turbines, but luckily recovered just inches off the ground.

They replaced all four and went on to Japan. I believe they got a free pass on the annual medicals for a while.

Even though it was a Jumbo heavy and it dropped 28,000 ft there was zip wrong with it structurally.

Paradoxically I had managed to insure them via Lloyds of London only hours earlier.

There was no damage. FedEx did a great job.

BR>Jack

Yes a similar thing happened with a BA flying over Indonesia, it lost all four engines but regained them when they got to a lower altitude.

Fu7ck any Thai education after 13, if I can afford it my girls are going to English boarding schools and then English Uni, for education from 13-18 there is no better ! I guess international schools like Harrow in Bangkok are obviously good but I would not want my daughters being caught up in the Thai university social bullshit.

I used to be a flyboy, now spend my time in the water - safer - but, having said that, my buddies all maintain that most airliners are equipped to survive any lightning strikes, they also have a RAM system on board, an external prop/alternator that will power up the front end of the plane - a sort of emergency get home thingy - so that they can make land. I dont know of any data that exists that shows such strikes, but the fact that it simply went boom does not indicate a natural strike - there is always time for a mayday.

One theory (and it's only a theory) posted below:

"Hans Weber, head of the Tecop aviation consulting firm in San Diego, offered a hypothesis about the episode, based on his knowledge of severe losses of altitude by two Qantas jets last year.

The new Airbus 330 was a "fly-by-wire" plane, in which signals to move the flaps are sent through electric wires to small motors in the wings rather than through cables or hydraulic tubing. Fly-by-wire systems can automatically conduct maneuvers to prevent an impending crash, but some Airbus jets will not allow a pilot to override the self-protection mechanism.

On both Qantas flights, the planes' inertia sensors sent faulty information into the flight computers, making them take emergency measures to correct problems that did not exist, sending the planes into sudden dives.

If the inertia sensor told a computer that a plane was stalling, forcing it to drop the nose and dive to pick up airspeed, and there was simultaneously a severe downdraft in the storm turbulence, "that would be hard to recover from," Mr. Weber said"

Why no mayday then ? You have to look back to the jack screw in the Air Alaska case, that plane dived 35 000 feet and the pilots issued a mayday. I think this was a sudden totally break up of the plane or loss of electronics, no radio, flew on and then something else happened.

Any craft that has latent or patent defects needs to be removed - no different from poisonous medicines.

At least all A330's should be grounded until further investigation but I don't see that happen yet.

So what defect was this be ?

It just isn't going to happen. Although quite rightly, as another TV member stated it is indeed pointless to speculate, I however still feel that there was a sudden decompression and structural failure/damage which resulted in sudden loss of control and subsequently the plane broke up and the segments nose dived into the Ocean.

The thing is this could be totally wrong as nobody knows how sudden this happened, they may have lost radio contact and then flown on for 30mins which would counter my theory.

Commercial pilots have told Brazilian authorities that they saw scattered orange marks on the Ocean.

Personally I would totally steer away from these AIA agents, when it get down to it they usually dont have a clue about the product they are selling, and all the Thais just see these stupid figures, after the second year you get this back... total brainwash policys.

I am with Siam bank and they offer policys etc, so going to investigate them further.

I have a very cheap accident policy from Siam bank at the moment, just to cover for emergencies.

I have banned all insurance people from entering my home... especially when one turned up and had the check to say your BF not love you as he will not buy a policy for you..... "JOG ON"

Are you serious, they said that to you ? fuc_king mugs !

The the worst turns out to be true, this will be the A330's first fatal incident in it's history, a very safe plane both technically and aerodynamically.

I have a similar fear for the 777.

What the Aloha airlines one, that was crazy. the pilots did well to get the plane down.

Whatever happened it would have to have been quick, as you pointed out no mayday was made.

reckon high altitude decompression or might have run out of fuel will be to blame.

Total speculation. No point at this stage.

Decompression is very unlikely to destroy airplane. Fuel starvation unlikely also at that stage of the flight to early. Also no information of Mayday call which would have been made if Fuel issue.

Thats true about the mayday call with the fuel but mass decompression can bring down a pane very easily.

Something major must have happened to the plane, A330's are safe as houses technically. I reckon high altitude decompression or might have run out of fuel will be to blame.

CNN said the plane was delivered in April 2005.

It does seem to be a reduction in quality and probably price for True Visions. It could also be that BBC entertainment wasnt viewed by many. Oddly enough it was my (Thai) wife's favorite channel.

Watching on CNN now, I am afraid to say it doesn't look good.

UBC is a fuc_king disgrace, I loved BBC. Judge John Deed, Little Britain, The Catherine Tate show, Spooks, so many more.

I find the quality so crappy as well, toons are good for my daughters though. Disney channel extra package is very good.