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I think most here are struggling with the concept behind this new proposed Visa and who they are targeting, for me that isn't quite clear and to an extent makes no sense.

There are however two groups of people that find it difficult when it comes to a Visa and want to stay here for prolonged stays and have the funding

- those under the age of 50 and/or

- those that work offshore and like to spend their leisure time in Thailand

These two groups are not finding it easy, the proposed Visa being discussed in this thread would have made a lot of sense if it didn't have the proposed age restriction of 50

2 minutes ago, Thaidream said:

There is no indication that a simple Non O visa is being phased out and cannot be obtained.  The only thing I gather is that this is another Visa Class- When issued the expiration date on the Visa wil be 10 years hence. Right now the End date of the O-A visa is 1 year. The only issue is whether there will be a change for the regular O Visa that is extended in Thailand for retirement purposes.

 

If so, I would expect it would apply to new extensions after a certain date. I would also expect that there will be grandfathering- if you already have a retirement extension the requirements would be the same as when you initially applied and were granted the extension. This has happened twice before- the first time at 200,000 Baht per year/20K per month and the second at 500,000 Baht/50K per month. There are still people in Thailand on retirement extensions getting them at those financial requirements and not the 800K current requirement. Remember, it i the Ministry of Foreign Affairs that set the Visa requirements and then a Police Order that is formally isued explaining the requirements for extensions to include the financials.

you are talking about an extension of stay on a Visa thread but your post is quite correct, some people that have been getting extensions for a long time still only require 200k baht and not 800k baht for their 12 month extensions

anyway somewhat off topic

2 minutes ago, brewsterbudgen said:

 

How can anyone be "kicked out"?  It's about a visa requirement, which enables you to enter a country.  Nothing to do with Extensions of Stay.

100% correct but nobody is listening lol

This thread is unbelievable, it is amazing how many people read stuff then add their own narrative and get into a wild panic making stuff up that isn't there.

Lets imagine for a moment there was no such a thing as a Thai Elite Card and this topic was about its introduction, the thread would still have developed almost identical to this one with all the imaginary doom and gloom that has developed here .......................too funny

8 hours ago, scavenger said:

Indeed, the Thai article seems to suggest an additional option rather than a "replacement." It also says there are 14 countries for whose citizens it will be available to (Denmark, Norway, Netherlands, Sweden, France, Finland, Italy, Germany, Switzerland, USA, UK, Japan, Canada -- the fourteenth country isn't specified...) Also, the wording seems to imply that it will be available for a maximum of ten years (twice five years.) 

 

With 50% of the deposit to remain in the account, and the money to be used within Thailand only, I would not recommend this visa as a sound financial strategy. 

people need to read the above post and stop filling this thread with garbage and nonsense

I'm outa here

1 minute ago, justaphase said:

So the changes have begun...

Stop spreading nonsense, this is an additional option and possibly an improvement for some

Too much silliness in this topic

I think people need to wind their necks in here and stop trying to fill blanks that aren't there.

This is not an annual Extension replacement which only works for 1 year, there is no mention of it in the article and it certainly doesn't fit the purpose. So stop speculating nonsense.

There might be a few people that this visa option suits, those that are well off and don't like the hassle of renewing those pesky extensions every 12 months or applying for O-A visa in their home country or paying through the nose for an Elite Card every 5 years. I suspect the Elite Card uptake is not that high anyway with the over 50's.

The 12 month extension isn't going anywhere and will still cater for those that are retired or married with families. 

No Mafia.........it is so endemic they don't even see that it is there

Time to start seriously looking at a one way system for Klang and possibly South Pattaya road, the whole city needs a traffic flow expert team brought in and offer solutions

just another example of the greedy mindset - take take take but not willing to spend 1 baht on the environmental mess they create, aren't all the Islands the same - isn't there a very obvious problem that has been going on for years

25 minutes ago, Srikcir said:

You underestimate their will to keep power, especially when the new junta-crafted constitution will legitimize a military coup.

 I like it when someone reads my posts so here it is again...................the bits you left out lol

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ok it's not going to solve all the problems but at least it is being publicly recognised that greedy people are ripping off the farmers, I would like to see the political connections exposed so that the whole country can get a true picture of what is going on here

A lot of people are criticle of  the junta government and there is room for that - but as I keep saying - there is no other organisation that possibly  has the influence to break the mold of the embedded endemic and massive corruption in this country.................certain elected governments are at the root of it all and it expands out to such a scale that it will take a very brave man to stand up against it, it will also take a very long time to eradicate

It is a massive problem here and the critics that keep insulting the current PM and government really need to take a long hard look a just exactly what they think will fix this very disfunctional country............it 100% is not an election

slowly but surely the local power bases corrupt officials are being striped away and removed, some say it is political- prove it...I don't agree, a transformation is taking place in Thailand and it is something that has never ever happened before, certain people are being called to account.

the current government are by no means perfect but they are doing one hell of a job routing out the badness ....................... just a pity they cannot continue for the next 10 years

and for those here that label me as a "Junta Lover" I have been very critical when deserved of things that I fundamentally disagree with.

There are only two ways that a country like Thailand can evolve to a true democracy

1. Civil war - and that depends on who comes out on top

2. Someone with great power takes control and with good intentions puts the place on the right path bringing abusers to justice and creating a solid constitution that cannot be  abused or changed - they must also be waiting in the background ready to take action if the abuse starts again.

Maybe in 10-20 years time we will actually see a stable country were the abusers and those that have abused will be long gone

fcking sack them - until a very hard line is taken against these criminals it will continue

These are people who are trained and tasked with upholding the Law, time to play hardball or nothing will change

ok it's not going to solve all the problems but at least it is being publicly recognised that greedy people are ripping off the farmers, I would like to see the political connections exposed so that the whole country can get a true picture of what is going on here

A lot of people are criticle of  the junta government and there is room for that - but as I keep saying - there is no other organisation that possibly  has the influence to break the mold of the embedded endemic and massive corruption in this country.................certain elected governments are at the root of it all and it expands out to such a scale that it will take a very brave man to stand up against it, it will also take a very long time to eradicate

It is a massive problem here and the critics that keep insulting the current PM and government really need to take a long hard look a just exactly what they think will fix this very disfunctional country............it 100% is not an election

slowly but surely the local power bases corrupt officials are being striped away and removed, some say it is political- prove it...I don't agree, a transformation is taking place in Thailand and it is something that has never ever happened before, certain people are being called to account.

the current government are by no means perfect but they are doing one hell of a job routing out the badness ....................... just a pity they cannot continue for the next 10 years

and for those here that label me as a "Junta Lover" I have been very critical when deserved of things that I fundamentally disagree with.

There are only two ways that a country like Thailand can evolve to a true democracy

1. Civil war - and that depends on who comes out on top

2. Someone with great power takes control and with good intentions puts the place on the right path bringing abusers to justice and creating a solid constitution that cannot be  abused or changed - they must also be waiting in the background ready to take action if the abuse starts again.

Maybe in 10-20 years time we will actually see a stable country were the abusers and those that have abused will be long gone

48 minutes ago, Wilsonandson said:

Time to stop the infighting and come together to find ways to help the rice farmers and make Thailand great again. India has been top of the rice export countries for too long. Come on Thailand, Sue, Sue!

 

Infighting.......................I think you are confused

Quite a large number of people are currently being processed for probably one of the largest corruption scams in Thailand involving hundreds of billions of baht, there is no infighting just an awful lot of thieves facing the music - something they have never experienced before because they thought they were untouchable - not so much

If I was this woman I'd be wanting to distance myself from anything "Rice" and yet here we are again ..................... and she is actually giving guidance and letting on to be taking an interest, pity she didn't take such an interest when she was actually pretending to be in charge.

I hope when she gets hit with the big fine that the government makes a point of telling her that every cent will go to the farmers buying rice lol

you cannot interfere with a player like that in the box, if he hadn't touched him then nothing but he did and got nothing of the ball.......  red or yellow card............ you can spin it whatever way you like ........ it was a penalty

Now we all see this stuff on replay and in slowmo which can make any foul look tame....this was not tame - he brought him down, and not only should it have been a foul and a penalty but also a red card

slow motion makes it all look like a dull moment - but it wasn't

and I speak from a base of honesty - I see what I see ...........and I saw that

you cannot interfere with a player like that in the box and expect to get away with it.......never

anyway - after doing all the hard work they just couldn't keep the ball for 5 mins - now that is worth discussing

5 minutes ago, ddavidovsky said:

Well outside human normative behaviour, but interesting from a biological point of view.

Some apes kill unrelated young, as reproductive is competitive.

This man is still young with reproductive potential and no doubt instinctively intended to replace someone else's offspring with his own.

Step-parents are proverbially cruel, as their investment, from a selfish-gene point of view, is wasted.

The child was allegedly displaying signs of being abnormal, increasing the biological pressure to replace it.

 

We're still animals beneath the skin, though this individual appears to have been animal on the surface.

you have got to be kidding, are you trying to justify actions like these based on some buried prime evil instinct, we are not apes dogs or any other animal - we are human and supposed to be intelligent although some obviously not so much ............... go get help if you think there is anything remotely normal or excusable about any of this

There is absolutely nothing the public can do about the Royal Thai Police Image - it is fully 100% under the control of the RTP, if you are asking the public to ignore transgressions committed by the RTP then that is a different matter entirely

You are in full control of your public image

The good thing is social media and the advancement of technology that exposes transgressions to the masses - you are now being scrutinised more than ever before and it will continue

words fail me and I have seen some horrors in my life

That was a very high speed impact, you can see the engine laying on the ground, nobody knows until the bodies are tested but based on the time the accident took place and knowing the complete ignorance of many Thai drivers it is very likely the driver had been drinking and this is the result - another two senseless fatalities on the Thai roads

RIP

1.Not wearing a helmet - 7

2.Carrying illegal weapons - 3

3. No driver’s licence - 15

4. No Compulsory Insurance - 14

I wonder what the sample size was..........39 lol   sounds about right

and none caught for Drink driving (maybe they weren't checking for that)

in the west where there is some semblance of a rational and properly priced market were developers markups and profits are more realistic and to an extent competitive there is more of an urgency to shift what they build as quickly as possible

But when you are dealing with a market were profits are huge (probably greater than 400%) then there is no particular urgency for them to sell, coupled that with price fixing to maintain the high prices and profits and you have a very skewed property market indeed that generally goes unregulated and the money stakes are high.  Not to mention the corruption

If there was a sudden event that required the developers to drop their prices and shift their vacant properties as a reasonable price then you would end up with an awful lot of bag holders 

6 hours ago, johng said:

My thoughts go towards the  many hundreds of Thais who have suddenly been deprived of their lively hoods and now wont be able to provide for their families.

there was no reason why they shouldn't have been legally employed but all the Mr Bigs were creaming of state land and all those involved were creaming huge amounts off of their illegal and corrupt businesses and backhanders.

What the government should now do is replace them with state run businesses so that the whole country can benefit and not just a few corrupt people mafia and local thieving authorities

I would no expect the same to happen in the surrounding Islands

I have never researched what caused the crash in 1997 but now I think I might do a little reading

well it is anyones guess as to what is really going on here but it sounds like someone was left out in the cold and is reasserting their authority.......in other words it was about ........money