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dave, dave, dave....

Your pimp hand is very weak. You should have conditioned your girl not to ask questions already. Dude... I hope you are not a yank and letting the side down.

My wife is thai and if I even looked at another female she would personally cut off little fella and shove it down my throat (her words not mine) shit I am to scared to go to the local store as I have to speak to the attendant there. I never go out without her beside me. I don't think thais accept men having a second or 3rd g/f.

My Thai GF just got an offer to work in Australia for two months. It's somewhere on a ranch or farm during some sort of harvest season. Not sure what. I'm supposed to get more details later. The offer for her to make 65,000B a month is a big deal. They pay for flight and visa. But I see it as the same as we do in the US with migrant workers, pay little, expect to get a lot. Even in Thailand it's the same as with Burmese workers. I think the pay is too little for what is expected of her.

Anyone with experience on this subject? What is she really getting into? Are my suspicions correct? What the minimum wage in this case if you know?

Firstly we do not have ranches in Australia that is some American term.

Don't worry to much the work is legal and and above board. My brother in law is a full time seasonal worker who moves from various crops depending on the season in the State of Victoria. The majority of the crews working these crops are immigrant seasonal workers. The standard hours are 5 days per week 6 hours per day with unlimited overtime if you want it. Very very good money can be made if you want to put in the extra hours he earns up to $2,000 (50,000 Baht) per week doing the extra yards. It can be hard work depending on the crops.

Australians are lazy by nature and also see it below themselves to do this sort of work even given the unemployment rate in the country so that is why the Australian government and various companies have set up this scheme. It is employ overseas workers or watch your crops rot on the ground.

Some of the larger farms also provide basic accomadation ie a shared room and shower facilties.

She should not have to many problems but just do a little homework before going to see if it is really for her.

The Australian government is somewhat upside down on this one. They turned a bit of a blind eye toward immigrant migrants, but are very swift to deny or carefully critique any sort of an attempt for business class jobs. It's nearly impossible to get a work permit unless heavily sponsored by a major employer...and then still difficult - and limited.

So what is the result?

Australia is dumbing down it's population. The denial of educated people to its country is done to keep the "good jobs" for Aussies. The end result is less educated people coming to Australia since AUS will allow in people who won't likely take mid to high end jobs...which limits its growth and enhancement of the population. The country seems to have a "seniority" mentality and the government runs as if the head of a labor union.

Furthermore, the government restrictions on free enterprise (internet, cable television, etc...) to expand (esp. beyond the coasts) is detrimental to the people of Australia and further limits their link to the world.

Uh, you mean like Thailand?

What the F@##$

I just got back last month from a 5 month assignment in Australia. I was with a Chinese girl and two Thai girls that had accepted permanent positions (min. 2 years) with the same company. All were getting significantly more money than in Thailand and China and was a deal they couldn't pass up.

Be here was the catch....

The company was in a small town (less than 50K) more than 2 hours from Melbourne. What is a person from Bangkok or Ghuangzhou going to do in the middle of the bush with a bunch of Aussies? Talk about a culture shock! It was a culture shock for me. Furthermore, the cost of food, accommodation, transportation, etc. are prohibitive and make the position economically worse than living in LOS even if the salary is doubled.

The only good thing would be the experience and a resume builder...if they can last that long. Most are hoping that the 40% bump willl be retained when they return back to Thailand. Actually...some of the people that make this decision are actually trying to get out of Thailand (ie: get a permanent work permit in AUS and go from there).

Yes you make a few good points. It can be an extreeme culture shock. In the rural areas of Australia you will find your true blue aussies with a more laid back approach to life unlike the big cities like Melbourne. Melbourne has a more Multicultural population and it is easier for someone to fit it.

Enjoy the experience it will be something you will look back on in later life with a smile. ( I hope) A lot of these jobs are taken by people who are on working holidays they spend a couple of months working in one area say Victoria before moving on to New South Wales, Queensland and W.A.

Who cares what they say. Just teach people how to use them. They are not meant for purely standing on but to assist people to walk faster and get to thier destination quicker. Put who just stand on them blocking everyone else anoy the crap out of me. If you are going to stand on them at least stand to oneside.

First I have heard of it,can't find any offers yet,but perhaps it will tim e to percolate to site & agents

No cheap airfares through thai I purchased a return ticket from chiangmai to Melbourne on the 24th/04 and it cost me $1,700 AUD last month it cost me $1,250 return so the fares have gone up. When I asked the question why they told me it is the peak season in Australia. What a load of bull it is almost winter in aus

For you own health and safety, you realy should move to a better place.

Try Chiangmai I love it

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Pizza hut make the worst pizzas in the world. They actually went out of business in Australia no customers.

a more pleasing Pattaya depends on who your target market is ? more defined Zoning might make it more accessible to a wider catchment of people

Pattaya has and always has had just one target market and that is not for the decent tourists of the world. Pattaya market is purely the sex industry...

As a start, remove the stray 4-legged dogs...

and the 2 legged ones in the bars. Get rid of the sex industry and might be ok to take a family for a holiday. Children on holidays don't need all that stuff shoved in thier face when they try to go shopping. Also stop all the sex deviates going there just get rid of the whole industry.

An Indo friend of mine just came back from Geylang where she averaged 20 blokes a day. She was there for 30 days....hmmm.

This was her third trip.

She doesn't particularly like it but she needs the money...which added up to about 3k Sing.

These girls in Melb. got it easy.

20 a day ? highly unlikely unless they were all premature ejaculators.

Pig on a spit might be able to do it

Spot the odd one out? Kam Tin Ho, 40, Ho Kam Ho, 38, Chee Fui Hoo, 42, and Slamet Edy Rahardjo, 53.

5 women to service up to 750 men? That`s 150 men for each girl if shared equally.

These women are no more than walking sperm culture banks.

And to think, there are guys that actually fall in love with them, amazing.

not only fall in love with them but marry them. There are some desparate guys out there just look at Pattaya. Some of the girls there actually have up to a dozen foriegn guys who think they are the only ones who go home and send money back to them each month thinking she is waiting for him to return.

Read this in the Melbourne paper and I think some thai women should be careful about being lured abroad on false promises

Shelley Hadfield

April 23, 2009 07:44pm

A THAI woman who claims to have been caught up in a sex slave scheme sent $32,000 to Thailand while under a contract in Melbourne, a court has heard.

Prosecutor Daniel Gurvich told the Supreme Court earlier this week that five women came to Australia under contracts to service 650 to 750 men to repay a debt for their passage to Melbourne and the opportunity to earn money.

Four men are on trial facing slavery-related offences.

James Montgomery, SC, representing Ho Kam Ho, told jurors that the main issue in the trial was whether the women were slaves. He said that when jurors looked at a whole series of factors they could not possibly convict his client of slavery offences.

He told the court that one of the women sent $31,900 to Thailand during her four- to five-month contract period.

On Wednesday, Mr Gurvich said Kam Tin Ho, 40, Ho Kam Ho, 38, Chee Fui Hoo, 42, and Slamet Edy Rahardjo, 53, were each accused of playing a part in a sophisticated and well-planned scheme to bring Thai woman to Australia and profit from their willingness to work for minimal reward in the sex industry.

Defence counsel John Dickinson, SC, urged jurors to use their heads not their hearts.

He said the case involved sex, prostitution, brothels and allegations of slavery, "all of which can excite a reaction in most normal people''.

Mr Dickinson, representing Kam Tin Ho, said the ultimate question for jurors to decide was whether the women were slaves.

"The prosecution says the relationship is slave owner to slave - or is it contractor/sub-contractor, employer and employee, or some other categorisation that is not slave owner and slave,'' Mr Dickinson said.

Mr Gurvich told jurors during his opening address that the five women came to Australia on contracts, under which they had to service 650 to 750 men to repay a debt for their passage to Melbourne and the opportunity to earn money.

He said there were strict controls over many aspects of the women's lives and their passports were taken from them while they worked off their debt.

But Mr Dickinson said claims that the women had their movements restricted and passports taken from them were issues in the trial.

Jim Bisas, representing Mr Hoo, said his client was a driver or gofer for two of the women but he disputed that he possessed or used them as slaves.

He said there was a dispute that he played any intentional or active part in a scheme to bring Thai women to Australia to work for minimal reward in the sex industry or that he had knowledge of debt arrangements into which they entered.

Leonard Hartnett, representing Mr Rahardjo, of Maroubra in New South Wales, said his client was not charged with engaging in a scheme but entering into a commercial transaction involving a slave.

Mr Hoo, of Burnside Heights, is charged with two counts of possessing a slave and one of using a slave.

Kam Tin Ho, of East Doncaster, is charged with five counts of possessing a slave, four of using a slave, one of entering into a commercial transaction involving a slave and four offences of structuring cash transactions.

Ho Kam Ho, of East Doncaster, is charged with four counts of possessing a slave, four of using a slave, one of entering into a commercial transaction involving a slave and one of structuring cash transactions.

The men have pleaded not guilty.

The trial before Justice Philip Cummins continues next week.

Dressed like that you have to wonder if he caught her with someone else. Still hope he goes to jail for a very long time though.

This is exactly what I was thinking when I viewed the photo. Could have been entertaining a client dressed that way.

They seem like a right dodgy lot and unfortunately the Thai tax payers are left to clean up the mess.

that was my 1st thought exactly also given the way she is dressed

I am sick and tired of the Mrs. lying around all day watching useless soaps and comedy programmes on Thai Television Channels.

I really need to get her motivated to start some simple business.

So I have this new idea to buy a wooden handcart, with some hot cooking surface, so she can stroll around the busy streets of Pattaya in the evening and sell sausages, chicken legs, etc. etc.

I have an idea to decorate the handcart with flags and colourful pomm-pomms just like the glitter man on the bike. And I also have the idea to sell lucky tips in envelopes for the next (bi-monthly) lottery.

Plus, I have an idea to offer a Thai-English translation service. (written). The Mrs. speaks good Thai and English, and I do the writing into Thai, in my spare time. Plus as an extra bonus, I have a great idea to sell PG-Tips Tea Bags and cans of Boddingtons bitter on this hand cart as well. Which farangs would love.

Any advice or suggestions welcome. What do you think?

What is PG-Tips and Boddingtons bitter I am farang and never heard of such things so why would I love it? As for Tea bags your farangs don't go to Pattaya for a nice cup of tea it is other things and I sure it is not work for your wife.

Yep did that but the problem I have is finding an Australian citizen who is not related and has personally known him for 12 months. I little hard given he is just 15 months born in Thai and can't get an Aussie passport for this reason even tho he is an aussie citizen by decent.

When overseas, you can also have a non-citizen sign the form if they hold a position of authority. From the Embassy's website: "If you require a non-Australian citizen to act as a guarantor, acceptable occupations are: Accountants, Barristers, Solicitors, Clerk of Courts, Bank Managers, Dentists, Judges, Parliamentarians, Police Officers, Postal Managers, Registered Medical Practitioners."

Ask the doctor who delivered your son to sign the form to verify who the child is (or whichever doctor you take the child to for his vaccinations/check-ups). Alternatively, does your wife know the local village policeman?

Did that and filled out all the forms but the thai woman at the australian embassy said it had to be Australian resident and got all moody with me when I tried to show her on the form specific for overseas resident. When I asked if I could speak to an aussie she said no aussies work there and threatened to call security if I did not leave. So I then tried to get a passport for him when I went back to Australia and they tell me it has to be done at the embassie in BKK. Just hitting brick walls.

Weren't we offered 50% cheaper airfares a couple of months back? Still waiting

The price of thai airways has just gone up 25%. flew back to thai last week and the plane was nearly empty so someone has to cover the fuel costs

Well I just bought a THai airways ticket reurn for 3900 DKK = 684 USD in end of MAY. This is around 20 to 25 % cheaper than low season TG tickets were last year. So they are certainly trying to fill their empty planes.

This is for return CPH-BKK-CPH.

Just paid $1,935 AUD 51,000 Baht to fly on the 12th of next month last month I paid 26,000 baht return from BKK to melb back to BKK economy class on thai airways. Reason they just gave me today is that it is the peak season. sounds strange to me. That is just airfare not accomadation package.

What powers does he have and what can he actually do for us aussies? I want to get an aussie passport for my son.

Passport comes from Oz via the embassy in Bkk.

Best to check direct with the Consul in Bkk at the embassy.

Steve Candotti is the Consul General

Tracy Wunder is the Consul

You can download forms & info from the DFAT website.

Yep did that but the problem I have is finding an Australian citizen who is not related and has personally known him for 12 months. I little hard given he is just 15 months born in Thai and can't get an Aussie passport for this reason even tho he is an aussie citizen by decent. Spoke to the thai woman at the embassy and he needs an aussie to sign saying he knows him. Thai staff at the Australian embassy not very helpful would be helpful if they hired some australians to assist us aussies. Get more assistance from thai immigration than from the thai staff at the aussie embassy.

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I used to go to Gregs quite often but then something happened to the sausages they tasted awful so now I would reccommend Baywatch, which is located towards the bottom of Beach road....a lovely place where the food is excellent (real pork sausages), a good menu with plenty of variety including Thai food and some old Western favourites such as apple pie at very reasonable prices and you have a magnificent view of the sea....oh! and I nearly forgot to mention you get service with a smile.

they were probably used by some of the women of Pattaya

I could be wrong but I thought Pattaya hosting that failed summit was an accidental choice due to first choice Phuket being full in lead up to Songkran. So if the first choice had always been Phuket, why did mayor even bother to "beg" to host the second summit having failed MISERABLY on the first attempt? This is the real deal: it's an international summit involving PMs, Ministers etc and Mr Mayor forgets there is hardly a second chance when you fail in this league. It is not some church fete, which is about all Pattaya can organise and oh yes, we can also manage the proverbial &lt;deleted&gt; in the non-existent brothel very well

In my opinion (which matters little since I can't vote) the mayor sometimes suffers from delusions of grandeur and becomes blinded by it. Pattaya is not the "international world class beach resort" that the local PR machinery would like us all to believe. In the newspapers and TV news coverage of the cancellation of the summit, if an adjective was used for Pattaya, it was usually SEEDY. Surprise, shock, horror!

And why does Pattaya need to hold the conferernce anyway (are we becoming a MICE center, to use the lingo)? I thought we wanted families, high end tourist bla bla....now it APPEARS we want to cover the MICE market as well? It's so unfocussed that it actually sounds desperate and amateurish. And I suspect this lack of focus results in Pattaya's reputation being firmly entrenched in the SEEDY end of the spectrum. I got no issues with such a reputation, as that is the reality, but it irks me when people refuse to ACKNOWLEDGE this reality and proceed to make up stories about our "wonderful beaches", "infrastructure" and "high end shops and dining" etc to sell Pattaya!

yes I think Pattaya should stick to what it knows best. Besides the P.M's aren't after the sex scene so why hold it in a dirty city like Pattaya Thailand should be holding it somewhere respectful. I saw the cartoon of all the Prime Ministers sitting around the conference table during the meeting each with thier pants down and each with a pattaya lady on her knees. Quite funny but pls mister Mayor don't give the world more reason to laugh at Pattaya

Who exactly do you mean by "they"? I thought Abhisit had organised the security himself or at least his team had done it. Is national security now also the sole responsibility of the city council. It's not like the red shirts snuck up on them was it? The government had plenty of opportunity to install international standards of personal security for the summit but it served their purpose not to. Okay, no problem with that it is after all their agenda but it's a bit unfair blaming Pattaya council.

A bit unfair JT but the decision was inevitable anyway for no other reason than the confidence of the delegates from the other nations.

That is what I thought also. He personally was seeing to the security. I wonder how many heads of state will actually attend Phuket maybe safer to send the lackie.

Weren't we offered 50% cheaper airfares a couple of months back? Still waiting

The price of thai airways has just gone up 25%. flew back to thai last week and the plane was nearly empty so someone has to cover the fuel costs

What a pity the U.K. does not follow this example.

And the Australian

Yes I agree 100%

I definately think that there is a lot more to this story. It appears that the Australian govt has offered to help him and that is not an issue apart from not granting a passport. The question is why didn't he want to go back? He must have been hiding from something. If a passport is not issued, did he have outstanding warrants of apprehension for serious criminal offences ie: serious assaults / sex offences in australia? If he did he would not have a passport renewed or issued as he would fall into the category of an unacceptable risk of fleeing.

found this following article dated 22/12/2008

Australian prefers Thai jail to homeLindsay Murdoch and Jim Pollard | ^{_{December 22, 2008}}

A MELBOURNE man who has been living in shocking conditions in a crowded Bangkok immigration jail cell for more than four years is refusing to accept Australian Government help to return home.

Colin Hansch, 61, has told Thai authorities he would rather stay in jail than return to Australia, even though he has only a mat to sleep on and receives a small daily serve of rice and soup.

"I've not been back to Australia for 30 years. I don't want to go back, I've got nothing to go back to," he said.

Mr Hansch, a computer engineer who left Melbourne in 1967, is worried he will not be able to obtain a passport to travel overseas again if he accepts the offer. It is believed he wants to be able to visit Malaysia or Cambodia.

"I think they [Australia] don't want to give me a passport … they don't want to set a precedent giving a passport to somebody while they are in custody," he said.

#A spokesman for the Department of Foreign Affairs in Canberra said Mr Hansch had repeatedly rejected an offer from the embassy in Bangkok to issue a limited-validity document to let him return home immediately.

Mr Hansch has been held at the immigration centre in Bangkok, just around the corner from the Australian embassy, since September 2004. He was transferred there, supposedly pending deportation, after serving two years in a Bangkok jail for assault causing serious bodily harm, which related to a dispute with a bar girl in the beach resort of Pattaya.

He shares a large cell on the immigration centre's second floor with up to 100 illegal immigrants. Fights often erupt. He spends much of his time listening to FM radio and reading books.

The department spokesman said Australian consular officers have provided assistance to Mr Hansch while he was in jail and now at the immigration centre.

For 12 years Mr Hansch worked as a computer engineer for a US firm in Thailand. He has also worked as a computer engineer in the US and at the former Woomera defence site in South Australia.

"Thai authorities have informed the embassy that Mr Hansch is subject to deportation following completion of his criminal sentence and must travel directly to Australia," the foreign affairs spokesman said.

"The embassy is not able to issue Mr Hansch with a full-validity passport as he has been unable to satisfy documentation requirements to enable the issue of a full-validity passport."

There are about two dozen Australians among thousands of foreigners in Thai jails, most of them for drug-related offences.

There is an agreement with Thailand under which prisoners can transfer to Australian jails, but the process is very bureaucratic.

My google search for "Australian Consul Chiang Mai" turns up # 1 as

Australian Consulate in Chiang Mai, Thailand

236 Chiangmai Doi Saket Road

Amphur Sansai

Chiang Mai 50210

Thailand

Telephone

66 053 492 480

Fax

66 053 492 426

Email

[email protected]

Which is indeed correct as the Honoray Oz Consul in Cnx here is Mike Walther & a bloody good bloke he is too!

What powers does he have and what can he actually do for us aussies? I want to get an aussie passport for my son.