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19 hours ago, darksidedog said:

I am seriously tired of this miserable affair. Continued simple trade between the UK and the EU really should not have been that difficult.

Stunning that at the eleventh hour they still cannot resolve issues they have been working at for God knows how long.

While short term no deal would hurt the UK, and EU, I wonder how long Macron will have a job when French fishermen have zero access to the fish they rely on catching?

You have to hope some sanity finally pushes these two sides into a deal of some sort.

Simple trade = you follow our rules in our country and I in your country + we pay import duties when we cross a border, fill in all customs docs... THAT is what both sides try to avoid.

And when YOU want to have access to MY market, I want to have the same access to your market.

And when there is any dispute, we can go to the courts of the country where the dispute is.

I thought, that was clear now since 4 years discussion.

And when Macron just get 10% of all €uro-transactions out from the City of London to Paris, from 1 Jan 21 outside the EU courts, he gains enough to buy all French Fishermen out and give them a nice house wherever they want.

1 hour ago, david555 said:

Solution could be  only ship the lorry containers only   keep the UK drivers in U.K ,  same way from France doing so keeping E.U. drivers in E.U.  

Mean time repatriate the E.U. ones from U.K.  put them in Quarantine or severe testing in E.U.  

same in reverse for the U.K drivers to U.K. 

Both sides keeping their own on own grounds 

That's not so easy done. All has to be loaded by hand + fork lift truck into containers, Container lines need to go to the very deep ports. Second: no container vessels available, therefore seafreigth from Asia went frok a US$ 750 to now US% 3500 per 20 ft. Third: as destination, all has to go the other way round. 

1 hour ago, david555 said:

Macron refuses to lift blockade: Eurotunnel to bring 2000 lorries to UK but take NONE out | UK | News | Express.co.uk

 

Macron refuses to lift blockade: Eurotunnel to bring 2000 lorries to UK but take NONE out

MORE chaos is expected to hit the British border today as lorries head into the UK with border restrictions still in place - and Emmanuel Macron refusing to lift the blockade.

By DARREN HUNT

PUBLISHED: 09:47, Tue, Dec 22, 2020 | UPDATED: 10:23, Tue, Dec 22, 2020

Also all ferries are stopped, to Belgium, Netherlands. Has nothing to do with Macron.

22 hours ago, ukrules said:

Indeed, this has almost certainly been spreading around the entire world for months.

 

It was previously found in both the Netherlands and Denmark, now they also noticed it in the UK.

 

It's already everywhere.

Yes, found 1 ( one ) in NL. And 1 in any street in SW - UK

3 minutes ago, Hi from France said:

More calls to avoid a crash-out Brexit in a few days 

https://news.sky.com/story/call-for-brexit-transition-period-to-be-extended-amid-covid-crisis-and-border-shutdown-12169059

Maybe we have to find somebody in a ditch first ? 

21 minutes ago, Hi from France said:

well you still have british voters believing its £350 million (it’s more like £250M and of course the money then gets back into the UK) https://fullfact.org/europe/350-million-week-boris-johnson-statistics-authority-misuse/

.. and that Brexit will make the UK wealthier and fund the NHS.

It's not just british voters in general, you have posters on this very thread who still believe in this.

According to investigations, see HoC library, the total net kickback to the UK from the EU is a GBP 7,9 Billion.

When I divide that by 52 = number of weeks we have in EU, I get only GBP 151,9 million /week.

Maybe others use less weeks / yr of a different way of calculation ?

10 hours ago, JonnyF said:

Typical Sturgeon, trying to use the pandemic to undermine the democratic will of the UK electorate and advance her own political agenda.

Totally unscrupulous and disingenuous. No shame whatsoever. ????

When the British ever voted for a No Deal Brexit ? They voted for a "oven ready deal, the easiest ever + GBP 350million per week for the NHS. Cheatede, lied, swindler, doublerossed

The former boss of the Vote Leave campaign, Dominic Cummings, admits that Remain would have won without the claim that the 350 million would go back to the NHS. The UK Statistics Authority wrote to Vote Leave during the campaign stating the claim was, ‘misleading and undermines trust in …

3 minutes ago, vinny41 said:

There is plenty of European media doing daily reports on Brexit fishing for French reports you need to search pêche au Brexit

Pointless providing links here as the forum removes any links that aren't in English

Just Yesterday, on Dutch TV there was a program about the fishery situation for the Dutch. As a lot of "pictures & graphs "even British will be able to understand. De visserij is cruciaal voor de Britten tijdens brexit. Waarom? | RTL Nieuws

When that is all... just compensate the € 40 million /year loss with a stop of all financial €uro-transactions, now going over the City, and there is PLENTY of money to do so.

8 minutes ago, david555 said:

Confusion ???? !..... about which Ireland you referring to as our E.U. member Ireland has no problems in any way for exporting to E.U. as it is not a third country ....

It's the (Southern) Irish, who have to find overnight a new export market for the 37% which goes now to the UK. Depends how the entrance into the UK will be after 1Jan. Maybe the British all convert to be vegetarians ?

If "killing"all imports of (frozen) beef from South America really would be the answer ? ?

9 minutes ago, vinny41 said:

It seems Ireland wants to stop all beef imports into the EU in the event of brexit no deal

Mr Cullinan told the Oireachtas Agriculture Committee that he would be very concerned that the UK could do a deal in beef imports with a third country in the event of a no-deal.

https://www.rte.ie/news/brexit/2020/1208/1183180-beef-import/

All imports from South America are frozen. From Eire it will be fresh (and the UK .. sorry). Means, the UK has to compete on the world market for frozen beef, in which the South American origins have a huge competitive advantage. I wish the British very much luck.

6 hours ago, billd766 said:

If fishing is worth nothing, then why is Macron getting his panties in a bunch?

 

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-54526145

 

https://www.bbc.com/news/av/uk-politics-55234464

ONLY in the British press. In the EU hardly a word, as is just a 0,1% of GDP of the "Northsee" & Atlantic" countries . The REAL stakes are in the "make" industry and the financial services of the City of London ( 6.9 %). When all €uro-transactions have to be under control of the EU = ECB, it is quickly over with the City.

20 hours ago, Opl said:

2 weeks ago I received a warning from my favourite .co.uk...explaining how things would be different /unconvenient after december 31st... so I passed some additional orders which were delivered (EU) within 3 days!

but I'll miss 

   

Remind: from 1 Jan '21 all meat, fish, diary MUST have a veterinarian allowance. So, no ham&cheese burger in your personal lunch parcel anymore allowed.

35 minutes ago, evadgib said:

They'll be Rejoiners from 01 Jan 

Rejoin ?

Maybe under king George VII  ( After the Moskou-Kazan federation and the Don-Wolga Bassin Union) 

6 hours ago, Opl said:

never forget to blame the French, it's cheap and easy..available to anyone whatever the cause

for more information

"I don’t think many people can comprehend the carnage which is about to ensue" (hortidaily.com)

Therefore exactly the same chaos at Belgium and Dutch ports. Only one reason: total lack of knowledge on the other = UK side.

48 minutes ago, billd766 said:

I doubt if they will be able to find 3 wise men from the east (EU) though. ????

At least they succeeded once.

Any wise man from the West ever mentioned in history ?

2 hours ago, Surelynot said:

I did take fish oil tablets for a while...then someone told me they are full of heavy metals.

Now you understand the brexiteers, so keen in fish... 

2 hours ago, Mavideol said:

do you know what you have been missing all these years, fish is the healthiest food in the world (as long as it's not from the UK waters 555)

 

http://www.dietandfitnesstoday.com/protein-in-fish.php

 we call it "kwik service"  ( mercury service, causes brain damage.... oh... now I understand ) 

3 hours ago, Surelynot said:

Eight apparently have been assigned....but only four on duty at anyone time.

Same as the rest of NATO forces: lots on paper, but available for going to action .. ? 

3 hours ago, vinny41 said:

British consumers taste have changed over the years remember the UK also has 4 million Europeans who also like fish.

in recent years fish and chips shops have been stocking Vietnamese pangasius

And I am sure there are more markets that are interested in buying British fish outside of the UK excluding Europe

For sure, in a couple of yours the British will have found new users, markets and export destinations for herring, mackerel and a lot of fish products now exported to the EU, but then.. the British fishermen are all bankrupt.

see Fact Check: is 80% of UK fish given away to the rest of Europe? (theconversation.com)

Although some fish, such as haddock are mainly eaten in the UK, a lot of shellfish from British waters is exported to EU countries. The vast majority of our scallop catch – the UK’s third most valuable fishery – goes to France and Belgium. Likewise Spain and Portugal take a lot of our crabs and prawns.

Trade insights: More than 70% of UK seafood exports go to EU - Undercurrent News

Export or move fish to the EU or NI from 1 January 2021 | nibusinessinfo.co.uk

• UK fish exports to the EU27 in 2018 by fish type | Statista

I export seafood from Great Britain — Seafish

3 hours ago, nauseus said:

Groan.

 

French navy removing all submarine torpedo stocks now and fitting Dyson vacuums to forward tubes so that they can open the hatches and suck all the wet haddock in quick sharp before they have to close the doors again and pump out the torpedo rooms. Sonars with modified frequency software to ID big shoals of sea bass instead of Akula Class intruders. Simples but cunning.  

 

Do not tell it to Brexiteers. Big chance, they will believe it.

I know another one:

The EU asked the Dutch to build a dike around the EU part of the North see. Pump the water out, catch all fish and.. flood it again, with water coming from the British part, so will suck also THIER fish in. Pump it empty again.. and.. no fish for the British...

All this fuzz for an annual 500 mln pounds worth of fish. Compare this with the car export or even worse the financial service gains of the City, which might dry up if all €uro-transactions have to be under the EU court in Strassbourg...   

17 minutes ago, vogie said:

I certainly wouldn't put it past the EU to use submarines, the will go to any depths to get their hands on our fish.

I thought the British have better knowledge what a sub can do and what surely NOT.