rattlesnake

The semantics are clever, and the “facts” decided for us. Light years, trillions of miles… Unverifiable numbers so stupendoulsy huge that the human mind can’t comprehend them… and will ultimately delegate their appreciation and interpretation to the “experts”. This treacherous (and very effective) process leads us to negate our own eyes and common sense (a constellation observable from the same spot for 3,000 years can mean only one thing). What you are pinpointing here is a normal phenomenon. Every camera lens has a degree of distortion, especially around the edges. While some specialised concave lenses can be used to straighten curvatures in photography, it is not possible to do it consistently in video. There is plenty of amateur footage showing a level plane, however one will often see slight upwards curves around the edges. Flat Horizon.mp4 The same thing can be observed through airplane windows, but inverted, they are often convex and therefore it is frequent to hear passengers claim that they saw the curvature during their flight.

Yeah, they don't work.

A disease so deadly, you don't even know you have it… I remember, back in France, in 2022, they were talking on MSM about a "concerning trend": people were trying to catch Covid intentionally in order to obtain a vax passport without having to get vaccinated. People trying to inoculate themselves with the "disease" to avoid having to take the "cure"…

Yeah and I have a few screenshots of users of this site openly condoning this crime (and who would have been more than happy to send the unvaccinated to concentration camps).

Pretty much sums it up indeed!

I get an error too. If it's an image, the safest is to save it to your PC first, then add it via "choose files" under the message window, as a copy/paste can cause errors.

In any case, your side is losing. Is Peter Hotez publishing a new book about "what we can do to stop the conspiracy theorists at the White House"?

We don't know and might never will. One thing is sure, we all know people who have taken multiple shots and are feeling fine (some have testified in this thread). So a lot of shots are seemingly not that harmful, possibly not harmful at all. Now if we look at what Trump did with Warp Speed, a lot of those vaxxes were produced by his people at the DOD. Lots of people on Substack (you know which ones), Austin-Fitts and others see that as proof that DT is in on it. Others (Badlands, yours truly…) think a valid explanation is they made millions of them innocuous… which would tie into the "my vaccine saved millions of lives" phrases: maybe (emphasis on "maybe", I have no irrefutable proof nor certitudes) this is correct at face value. What matters is the result and the result is soon… and that will include KFC and everything else.

Thanks. As I mentioned near the beginning of this thread, ultimately, most globe proponents will always default back to this notion of "scales too vast to grasp" and the like. This is incorrect. So far, nobody has rationally explained the footage of a level surface visible at 121,000 feet, one poster even stating that "science" says the curve should be visible at 35,000… and then defaulting to the notion that the deception would be too big to accept before moving on to another aspect of the issue, leaving this one unresolved. Also, the post-Reformation historical context, which is essential to understand that the switch to heliocentrism was decided and implemented for political and ideological reasons, has consistently been laughed at and ignored, one poster even making a grossly inacurate contradiction as a result of his arrogance and ignorance (usually two sides of the same coin).

"Perhaps early members of “The Resistance” might wish to allow Bobby to “maybe” get confirmed, to “maybe” prevail against active and activated opponents in the military/intel/Pharma cabal, arguably the most powerful and well-funded and well-organized force on planet Earth - and who seek to derail and prevent his confirmation." A somewhat less popular take on things – of which I am a proponent – is that Trump and team would never have even remotely made it this far if the so-called cabal still wielded the power it enjoyed for aeons. To me, it all looks like incremental narrative deployment for the masses (which can't be shocked too abruptly into the realm of truth). I believe that at this point, a script is being followed but fundamentally the war is already won. 2025 will probably be the year which finally proves or disproves this view of things.

A friendly reminder of the model you believe in, visually represented below, shooting through space at 200 km per second or 720,000 km per hour. Orion was observed and described by the Babylonians and ancient Egyptians, and has consistently been seen above the Equator since. The rest is kindergarten-level deduction.

So far, my beliefs have not been rationally refuted. I recall derogatory language, lots of laughing emojis and lying by omission. I encourage you to write the entire Twain quote.

And here lies the gist of the issue. Belief.

This is nonsensical.

Weekend question: If the Earth is spinning at 1,000 mph as it revolves around the Sun at 66.600 mph while the Sun shoots through space at 450,000 mph, why haven't the constellations changed in thousands of years?

I am open to honest and rational refutations of my belief. You are not. Who, of you and I, is a cultist?

For the purpose of this conversation, I’m going to answer yes. And, as I stated previously, this does not negate the level plane model. I’m sure you are familiar with the notion of “apparent Sun” vs. “actual Sun”, which, through a phenomenon called refraction, causes the Sun to appear elsewhere than where it actually is. It is commonly explained under the heliocentric model. This phenomenon also exists under the flat Earth model, which posits that the level plane is surmounted by a firmament dome. A Sun refraction could be seen rotating counterclockwise against the dome, producing the impression of a 24-hour Sun. This guy, Joseph Hanvey, has produced a working model of how that works. And before you post your laughing emoji, remember that you believe that water sticks to a spinning ball circling the Sun while shooting through space.

And that's flat!

I say this respectfully, but I think this is a naive viewpoint. Throughout history, there have always been small groups of power who will endeavour for their personal interest, with little consideration for the ordinary masses.

"you haven't addressed my posts about people/civilians can go to the south pole" Yes, I have and will not repeat it.

"Science" and its political, ideological and cultural implications is absolutely a belief system, c.f. the post-Reformation era previously discussed here, and the role of the Jesuits in changing the "education" system in favour of heliocentrism (Copernicus was merely a pawn in this process). Furthermore, the Covid crisis demonstrated that social media "influencers" are often mere prostitutes which can be bought to push any message. So out of principle, I am wary of overnight celebrities such as Jeran Campanella, endorsed by the establishment media with a unilateral message repeated ad nauseam. I had never heard of him before and he is not a prominent Flat-Earth figure. Regarding your question, the answer, as is often the case, is nuanced. I can't give you a "yes" or "no" answer at this point. I honestly don't know if there is a 24-hour Sun in Antarctica. What I do know is that there appears to be strange inconsistencies in the Final Experiment footage, which I will share here if they are demonstrated. And most importantly, even if there is a 24-hour Sun in Antarctica, it doesn't change the concerns and issues discussed so far in this thread, and claiming it does is a logical fallacy. A 24-hour Sun works perfectly on a level plane model.

Heliocentrism is also a belief. Flat-Earthers say you can't venture out of allocated spaces in Antarctica. Exactitude (as a professor I admired once said) is essential.

I am not talking about the designated, allocated 1% of the territory, I am talking about free exploration of the remaining 99%. If any of these guys tried to go anywhere else than the designated 1%, they would not be allowed to. Only North Korea, to my knowledge, has similar restrictions. You can justify and rationalise that any way you like (danger, wildlife protection, whatever), that's cool, but those are simply facts.

I certainly don't disagree with that.

By "working model", I meant a small-scale reproduction of the basic principles and forces involved, as a demonstration. For example, there is a guy called Joseph Hanvey who reproduces the movement of the midnight Sun over a model of a flat Earth, which demonstrates the feasability of the principle. I know there is no way to reproduce the configuration of water bodies according to the heliocentric model, and by asking this rhetorical question, I merely wanted to recall that it is just a theory.