spidermike007

Thais should try some more fundamental issues.

1. The pervasive culture of superiority and pecking order in Thailand which relegates low socio economic laborers to worthless.

2. The pervasive culture of corruption in business, government, police, and military in Thailand which permits "looking the other way"

3. The lack of law and order and breaking laws with impunity for the privileged elite establishment characters and those in positions of influence.

So Thai 1, 2, 3 recommendations don't mean a thing without the fundamentals. As Duke Ellington said "it don't mean a thing, if it ain't got that swing." So it boils down to fundamentals to cure the Thai fishery industry. The world knows about these three things that are the benchmarks of Thailand's problems. Thais are the only ones who don't admit the truth. With their nonsensical three point programs and their steps ad measures they are trying to blow smoke at the world and the problem. We all know that. Thais are not serious about change until they start hauling off a bunch of Thai Mr. Bigs in the fishery trade and then enforce the three fundamentals above.

Great post. Concise and full of things that must be addressed. It comes back to the ability to look within, and address real issues. In this case, the people within the industry, that have been devoting a lot of time to telling the world how wrong the US was in their assessment, may have to stop and say, "We are wrong, our problems are very substantial. We will begin to address them." We do have workers that are being treated like slaves. We have to treat them better. We have to start regarding them as human beings. How on earth can you improve something, or grow as a person, if you cannot admit your errors, your need for improvement, and the problems you must address? Introspect. Analyze. Be a man. Man up. Deal with it. Stop deflecting. Pussies do that. Not real men.

Its about whether anyone gives a shit about the law. If you aren't fearful of the law, why would anyone bother to comply with any regulations.

No law, no standards, no society.

Very true. No regulatory authorities to speak of. No penalties for not complying. Or if a penalty is imposed, it is kind of a toy penalty, or a child penalty of 2,000 baht, or something out of a George Carlin skit. On some levels, it feels like Thailand has decades to go, to mature into a place that is taking itself seriously. Or at least a place the world is taking seriously. I guess things like this take time? Certainly the fight against corruption and hooliganism is a worthy fight. But, does this place have any fight within it? Where is the Anna Hazare, or Ralph Nader of Thailand going to come from? Will he be able to stay alive for long? Will the regulatory authorities, or the fabulously weak and compromised judiciary be able to do many thing effective? When will real reform happen?

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"Toy penalty." - Excellent!

The primary issue, is that there is little to zero interest in fighting corruption here. Nearly every level of government, and law enforcement has given up the fight, or not bothered waging a fight in the first place. When they do, they are thwarted at every level, by nearly every official or person involved. Though Thailand has made alot of noise about integrating itself into the world community, and especially ASEAN, to date they have defied many, many charters they have signed, especially the 6th charter, which I believe was signed back in 2009. I am told there are about 20 different international government bodies that are going to monitor Thailand's participation, and conduct once the upcoming ASEAN integration takes place in 2015. Many are skeptical, for good reason. Thailand has a very long history of making promises to the international community, and breaking them, when it comes to integration, easing of customs restriction, the import market, etc. To date, they have remained fabulously insular, and in some respects resemble China, when it comes to keeping their own markets closed to outside competition. The term protectionism comes to mind.

Getting back to the corruption issue, it is incredibly frustrating for many of us to see the level with which it affects this nation. But, so far, there is no Anna Hazare, or other such heroes who have stood up, risked life and limb, and been willing to carry the torch. I have seen no fight. No game. No resistance. No battle. No courage. No fortitude. No conviction. No arrests. Nobody jailed. Nothing. Absolutely nothing. So, you are seeking something that is simply not there. There may be some talk from time to time, from goombahs like Chalerm, but no action, ever! Does the "anti-corruption" agency ever fight corruption? No. What do they do? They focus on election fraud. So, you are simply engaging in an act that, if it produces anything, will end in deportation, denial of a visa, scorn, violence, or bodily harm to you or your family. But, rest assured, it will not result in anybody being disciplined, losing their job, fined, or jailed. At the lowest to the highest level of government here, there is zero interest in that. SImply too much money being made, and no interest in upsetting the apple cart.

So, in regard to this guy coming down on rogue police, it would be wonderful to see something like this starting to happen in this land of "no fight, no battle, no interest, let them do their thing". But, I remain skeptical until I see someone stand up and show some willingness to fight what would essentially be a war against entrenched interests.

Spidermike

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Thais should try some more fundamental issues.

1. The pervasive culture of superiority and pecking order in Thailand which relegates low socio economic laborers to worthless.

2. The pervasive culture of corruption in business, government, police, and military in Thailand which permits "looking the other way"

3. The lack of law and order and breaking laws with impunity for the privileged elite establishment characters and those in positions of influence.

So Thai 1, 2, 3 recommendations don't mean a thing without the fundamentals. As Duke Ellington said "it don't mean a thing, if it ain't got that swing." So it boils down to fundamentals to cure the Thai fishery industry. The world knows about these three things that are the benchmarks of Thailand's problems. Thais are the only ones who don't admit the truth. With their nonsensical three point programs and their steps ad measures they are trying to blow smoke at the world and the problem. We all know that. Thais are not serious about change until they start hauling off a bunch of Thai Mr. Bigs in the fishery trade and then enforce the three fundamentals above.

Great post. Concise and full of things that must be addressed. It comes back to the ability to look within, and address real issues. In this case, the people within the industry, that have been devoting a lot of time to telling the world how wrong the US was in their assessment, may have to stop and say, "We are wrong, our problems are very substantial. We will begin to address them." We do have workers that are being treated like slaves. We have to treat them better. We have to start regarding them as human beings. How on earth can you improve something, or grow as a person, if you cannot admit your errors, your need for improvement, and the problems you must address? Introspect. Analyze. Be a man. Man up. Deal with it. Stop deflecting. Pussies do that. Not real men.

Its about whether anyone gives a shit about the law. If you aren't fearful of the law, why would anyone bother to comply with any regulations.

No law, no standards, no society.

Very true. No regulatory authorities to speak of. No penalties for not complying. Or if a penalty is imposed, it is kind of a toy penalty, or a child penalty of 2,000 baht, or something out of a George Carlin skit. On some levels, it feels like Thailand has decades to go, to mature into a place that is taking itself seriously. Or at least a place the world is taking seriously. I guess things like this take time? Certainly the fight against corruption and hooliganism is a worthy fight. But, does this place have any fight within it? Where is the Anna Hazare, or Ralph Nader of Thailand going to come from? Will he be able to stay alive for long? Will the regulatory authorities, or the fabulously weak and compromised judiciary be able to do many thing effective? When will real reform happen?

Spidermike

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Thais should try some more fundamental issues.

1. The pervasive culture of superiority and pecking order in Thailand which relegates low socio economic laborers to worthless.

2. The pervasive culture of corruption in business, government, police, and military in Thailand which permits "looking the other way"

3. The lack of law and order and breaking laws with impunity for the privileged elite establishment characters and those in positions of influence.

So Thai 1, 2, 3 recommendations don't mean a thing without the fundamentals. As Duke Ellington said "it don't mean a thing, if it ain't got that swing." So it boils down to fundamentals to cure the Thai fishery industry. The world knows about these three things that are the benchmarks of Thailand's problems. Thais are the only ones who don't admit the truth. With their nonsensical three point programs and their steps ad measures they are trying to blow smoke at the world and the problem. We all know that. Thais are not serious about change until they start hauling off a bunch of Thai Mr. Bigs in the fishery trade and then enforce the three fundamentals above.

Great post. Concise and full of things that must be addressed. It comes back to the ability to look within, and address real issues. In this case, the people within the industry, that have been devoting a lot of time to telling the world how wrong the US was in their assessment, may have to stop and say, "We are wrong, our problems are very substantial. We will begin to address them." We do have workers that are being treated like slaves. We have to treat them better. We have to start regarding them as human beings. How on earth can you improve something, or grow as a person, if you cannot admit your errors, your need for improvement, and the problems you must address? Introspect. Analyze. Be a man. Man up. Deal with it. Stop deflecting. Pussies do that. Not real men.

Efficiency is a concept recognized around the world. It smooths the path for all involved. Anytime you make things easier for people, they want to participate, and the word gets around that you are dealing with groups and organizations that are intelligent, good at planning, organized, and earnest about what they are doing. In the absence of that, all you have is chaos.

Thais shun construction work, I do not know about this my girlfriends brother-in-law works very hard as a tile setter.

I know many very hard working Thai men and women. We are talking in generalities. I do not know what the percentages are, but maybe 30% of all Thai men are super lazy, and do not want to work. They believe the utter nonsense their parents told them, when the parents performed a HUGE disservice to them by telling them how special they were, just because they were boys. What garbage. When will Thai society start telling young boys- You ain't shi*. Your sister is smarter than you. You are no better than her. You must work for everything you will get in life.

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Yes I have noticed many price increases for sure. Like a buffet I used to like went went up 25 percent since last month so I looked at it but they had stopped offering the main dish I used to go there for. Good move ... they got nada from me. Raise the price and offer less, good business IF you can get it.

Look after the expats, they will look after you in hard times.I had to explain this concept to a Thai friend on Ko Chang in 08 when the GFC hit.

There are such an abundance of Thais that have no understanding of that concept. It makes so much sense. I would really go out of my way to keep the expat customers happy if I had a bar, restaurant, or hotel here. Many do not get it. And I have asked them, and they say they just do not care. I think it is the inability of many Thais to consider their future, much less next month, or tomorrow. I need the profit today, so my decision is based on that. That alone. Leave me alone. Do not make me think about something abstract like my future. You are a fareng. How can you offer me suggestions about my business? There is absolutely no way you are smarter than me. That is impossible.

Spidermike

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You have summed it up not only very well but (You knew that was coming) do you understand it?

Give me the money and F...O.. Don't even try to understand. Give me the money and F..O.. and never come back.

Now you know...but do you understand? NO. F..O...

Well, I certainly try to understand. Many things here are beyond my western logic, reasoning, and common sense. So, some things I just let go. But, when someone who I have been dealing with for years pulls this sort of thing, it boggles the mind. Sometimes over 20 baht! Or something so similarly ridiculous. I ask myself, would I risk losing a 3,000 baht per month customer over 20 baht? I have a business, and I have given refunds of thousands of dollars, simply because a customer said he was not happy. So what? I can re-sell the product to someone else. Keeping my customers happy, and maintaining my reputation is everything to me. And they keep coming back. And they refer their friends. And everyone sleeps well at night. And my customers are thrilled because they are being treated with dignity, respect, and they know that I care. Does a Thai businessman consider this, very often? Some do. I had a customer service issue with Home Pro a few years ago. The salesperson dismissed me like I was not even there. I asked to see the manager. She was equally cavalier. She just did not want to hear what I had to say. In her mind, I was just an ignorant fareng. Now, taking into account that Homepro has a lot of fareng customers who spend real money, this was quite an ignorant attitude for her to take. And this issue was over a 36,000 baht AC unit under warranty! I went home, got online, and contacted the headquarters of Home Pro. Within 2 hours I got a phone call from a bigwig. We will do everything we can to resolve this problem for you. Go back to the store tomorrow. The manager has been given a SEVERE reprimand. I went back, and the manager was bowing deeply, and really went out of her way to help. We got it all resolved. She gave me a free toaster. She looked genuinely scared. She nearly had tears in her eyes. I think top management told her she was on the verge of losing her job. I think they read her the riot act. I think they tore her a new a***ole.

On another occasion, I was at a restaurant I eat at occasionally. I ordered a seafood dish without the seafood. Basically told them only veggies in this dish. Ok. When I was finished, they charged me 40 baht extra. Why? Because veggies are expensive! That was the only explanation they would give me. Well, I thought seafood was expensive! I asked for the manager. We exchanged words. Needless to say, it was not pleasant, because he was so very dense. Not exactly a nobel prize winner. I let my feet do the talking. I have never gone back. I went online and wrote some scathing reviews. That is something we have the power to do. Warn others. Tell your friends. Deprive the dumbest, and least visionary of them, of as much business as you can. Take great satisfaction in that. It is good, and worthy work. You are preforming a service for the entire expat population by behaving in this righteous manner.

Without the fear of God, I think sometimes a percentage of people just react, without much thought to the consequences of their actions. It is incumbent upon us, as consumers, to make them aware of the consequences of their stupidity. If they do not care, so be it. If they are too arrogant, or blind to see it, so be it. Let your feet do the talking, at that point.

The issue here is the 460% import duty imposed on wine. And this was all because some Thai senator was paid a lot of money by the Thai wineries to introduce and insure passage of an "anti fareng wine bill" many years ago. It has since deprived the government of billions upon billions of dollars on duty revenue. If this bill was abolished (long, long overdue) Thailand would have a vibrant wine industry. At a reasonable duty of say 100%, the import duties would be incredible. They would be able to sell a lot of $100 bottles. Instead, we are left with swill, that I would never consider touching back in the States, for $25. The wines I see for $4 in LA, are $45 here in the restaurants. That is insanity. That is a broken system. That is pure churlishness, on the part of the government. Get rid of this policy. Grow up. Get real. You are protecting nobody. The Thai wineries are not a significant factor in the equation. Maybe Prayuth can have a look at this ridiculous wine policy.

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The excessive wine duty goes back to just prior to the Asian Financial Crisis when rich Thais really discovered wine. They were spending ridiculous sums of money, $10,000 a bottle in some cases and red wine was a metaphor for bleeding the Country dry.

However Australian wines do have preferential tax rates compared to other countries.

Maybe so, but I still have never seem a great McLaren Shiraz for 1,000 baht. I find them all the time in the states.

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Only the World Cup games. That is the full extent of the so called upgrade. As usual, a deception designed to get you to do what they need you to do. They could have created a package that would have been a true upgrade. But, to those of ius who are non football fans, it is a zero. Not sure why they do not have more HD stations by now.

I agree about American swagger. But, most Americans have a finely honed sense of service, when it comes to maintaining their customer base. Especially with the smaller businesses. We simply understand what one customer can translate into over the course of a lifetime. It is just too important. I have had discussions with Thais along the line of "I have been here 50 times over the past three years. You realize if you do this I will never come back again. Does this mean anything to you? And we were talking about a very small amount of money, or the size of a portion, or something absolutely meaningless to them. And you know what the response has almost always been? Do not some back. It does not matter to me. That would be the reaction of a hurt child. False pride. Not what an adult business owner should say.

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Is that even possible to defame Jatuporn ????? One of the most reprehensible members

of the UDD rogues gallery. Happy days when they are all swept aside....

Yes, it is when you have one of the silliest defamation laws on the planet, designed to protect cowardly pigs, who are mafia dons disguised as public servants.

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If the company is legit (i.e. trading and active), this is perfectly safe and OK since any company has the right to have its own premises. If it is just a sleeping company created just to buy the house, there could be problems in theory. But I doubt it will happen unless you have a large beachfront plot in Phuket.

I am told the most common way the authorities find sleeping companies, is to look at the tax records. If you do not pay annual taxes on the company, that is a huge red flag. Create some income, the company generates, and pay taxes on that income.

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Children seem to be running the electric company. The promise that the extra cable they laid would result in little or no blackouts never materialized. Get your act together.

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German cockroaches,a bait type poison the best to eradicate them,also,do not let plastic back etc build up,they will find harbourage in them and cracks and crevices.

And whatever you do, do not leave out any schwarzbrod, or kartoffelsaladen.

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Definition of an idiot = American traveling to NK.

NK looks for any excuse to get back at America and this would go for Iran as well. There are other countries in the world that Americans would be singled out, but those two countries are the absolute worst. I would never, ever consider visiting either of these countries.

I would rather travel to the North Pole, without a jacket. I would rather swim across the English Channel, without a life vest. I would rather eat bread and water for three months, than visit that rat infested land. Kim can kiss my butt. He is a fat, silly, impotent, angry, murderous thug, who inherited his fathers 50,000 bottle wine collection, and seems to get joy from watching his people starve. A Charles Manson of a leader. A real slime bucket.

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Still amazes me that so many blokes seem to think it's only Thai women that are after our money. I've had enough wive's and girlfriend's to know it doesn't matter which country you are in....women cost a lot of dosh. Get over it, keep paying and be happy with what you've got. If you're not just find another one and try again....practice makes perfect...LOL.[/quote

So true. The number of western men who have been brainwashed into thinking how prefect, saintly, and selfless western women are, is staggering. They will do anything to defend them. I have never met a western woman, who was not interested in financial security. Never one who did not prefer a man with money, if given a choice. Rarely met one who slept with a man without being wined and dined first. Unless of course he was either famous, super rich, drove a Lamborghini, or was Brad Pitt. Break away from the western imposed delusion. Shake the hypnotic spell. Breathe the fresh air of Asia.

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I have been in a relationship similar to yours. I kept telling myself, she will improve, she will learn and be more active. It never happened and after 6 years I moved on. At the time it was a big decision, but looking back it was the best decision I ever made.

Don't torment yourself, move on and take it as a learning experience.

A wise man indeed. Life is simply too short to spend it with someone who does not inspire you. Ask yourself, do we make each other a better version of ourselves? Is every day together a really good day? If not, may be time to move on. I tend to oversimplify things, so this is just my version of things. But, I do believe it takes two, to improve something. If she is not motivated enough to communicate with you, and address your concerns, she may be just a bump on a log. Do you want to spend the rest of your life, with a mere bump on a log? Or do you aspire for more?

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Perhaps Thailand can heal its internal conflict and find unity to move forward in a common cause--and it seems the US has provided the catalyst by their meddling.

The US is not meddling - it's advocating adherence to international norms.

If the Junta were to decide to kick out foreigners without cause, I hope the US will "meddle" on our behalves.

Oh come on! The other day, there was a story in the US about a swat team bursting through the door at 3am - and of the wrong house, for that matter - in response to someone possibly selling drugs, and throwing a grenade in to the crib of a sleeping toddler. No apology whatsoever was even made. Is that an international norm, to you?

Let's not even delve into the utterly disastrous foriegn policy America employs - for example, Iraq, Afghanistan, Egypt, on and on.

Compared to ANY of those things, or even just the last 2 coups here - this action by the Junta has been incredibly peaceful. This so called 'coup' didn't even install another leader yet. It's purpose is to keep more violence from spreading, while they figure out what to do. Compared to other events I've witnessed first hand - including the way NYC handled the occupy protests with police violence and an unconstutional media black out - this is nothing so bad at all. This is, after all, in response to major corruption charges, it's worth remembering. I wish the police and military in America were even half as peaceful as this Junta has been.

Thank you. I no longer consider the US a functional democracy. By name only. Obama clearly is aiming for a fascist Republic. And he is complaining about Thailand? What a hypocritical incompetent neophyte. Did I also mention an lying ignoramus?

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The United States would actually appreciate protester of such; for, it demonstrates what democracy is all about, being able to openly say (disagree or disagree with a government) about any issue.

And... in USA's eyes, as long as your leader is elected (no matter how corrupt or incompetent he/she is) in a "free" election and your government calls itself a "democracy" then this form of "democracy" is better than anything else. (OK USA, Saddam in Iraq was a dictator and not the easiest person to live under, but are the Iraqi people better off today? -- and does this form of "democracy" give the Iraqi people peace and harmony today???? )

So, before the American "armchair experts" start lecturing countries such as Thailand that they need to have elections within 3 weeks, these "experts" better ask themselves will having elections really make the country better at this moment?

Very very funny post. The US loves democracy as long as you are in agreement with them. Period. The current version of US democracy is starting to look like something Mussolini would be proud of.

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This would be a dream come true. Thai society would be a very, very different thing, if people were punished for their crimes. With one of the weakest, easiest to purchase, super corrupt and very cowardly judiciaries anywhere in the world, it is hard to put people away, who truly deserve it, here in the LOS. Even on the odd chance the police do their work properly, when the case gets to court, if the prosecutor has not been bought off, the judges can be. But, if the military leaders are serious about cleaning up this den of thieves called the judiciary, now would be the time to start. Seeing the top punks in a jail like this one would be delightful. And seeing the worst offending judges and prosecutors in a superman prison would be a wet dream for many. These guys deserve it. They have devoted their entire careers earning a sentence in a supermax. So, give it to them please. The sooner you get these mafia dons, disguised as judges and prosecutors off the streets, the sooner this country can return to a healthy, functional society. The vermin have to be extracted. Good in Prayuth and his council, if they get this done. Thailand will benefit for decades to come.

Many of the drivers make good money by taking fares to the jewelry outlets, the silk factories, and the soapy massage joints. They are paid hefty commissions. I have been offered low fares, in exchange for visiting those places. I have no interest, but I am sure many unsuspecting tourists do.

Good on the fella for making a tiny statement. What kinds of solutions did the brilliant minds in the US Govt. offer when Thailand was falling apart, with divisions so deep, and no solutions in sight? The government was nearly dysfunctional (as the US govt. nearly is right now) and nothing was offered. No assistance, no advice, nothing. So now, that the sacred cow of democracy has been breached, they do not want to associate with the so called junta leaders. How many times has the US engaged countries with truly despicable and heinous leadership? Dozens of times, but there was always a strategic interest, of which there are few found in Thailand. The level of duplicity and shallow falsehood that the US demonstrates on a daily basis is staggering. And understand, I am a US citizen. But, I am not standing around, and swallowing the Kool Aid.

This would be a dream come true. Thai society would be a very, very different thing, if people were punished for their crimes. With one of the weakest, easiest to purchase (super corrupt) and most cowardly judiciaries anywhere in the world, it is hard to put people away, who truly deserve it, here in the LOS. Even on the odd chance the police do their work properly, when the case gets to court, if the prosecutor has not been bought off, the judges can be. But, if the military leaders are serious about cleaning up this den of thieves called the judiciary, now would be the time to start. Seeing the top punks in a jail like this one would be delightful.

Personally, I have no time for Shariah law. Anything that is based on the needs of terribly insecure men, who have not adapted to modern times, scares the bejesus out of me. I think I can definitely go the rest of my life without visiting a society that condones this kind of Stone Age thinking, and supports a legal system designed by man children, who cannot develop any level of comfort within their own skin. The whole thing makes me quite queasy.

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I had 4 years in saudi and you SHOULD be scared. It's a seriously bad system, designed to keep women subjugated to men and allows bad men to become powerful.

Designed to keep woman subjugated to men.......maybe we shouldn't judge it so harshly after all

I do judge gorillas, who are pretending to be men harshly. Get real. Get a life. If a man believes in himself, and is secure in who he is, he is ok with his woman driving a car, going out with her friend, and having a life. Neanderthals are not comfortable with that. It is the 21st century. Be a man. Not a fool.

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Loosen up,it was obvious, i think to all,that this was meant as a joke

Yes. I did see your humor. Thanks for that. Nor sure why I find Sharia law, and the cultures that tolerate it so offensive. But, to visit those countries, and lend them support on any way, if something I will try not to ever do. I am thinking of converting my car to CNG, as I feel it is a way of putting my foot up King Abdullah's fat ass.

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Personally, I have no time for Shariah law. Anything that is based on the needs of terribly insecure men, who have not adapted to modern times, scares the bejesus out of me. I think I can definitely go the rest of my life without visiting a society that condones this kind of Stone Age thinking, and supports a legal system designed by man children, who cannot develop any level of comfort within their own skin. The whole thing makes me quite queasy.

Spidermike

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I had 4 years in saudi and you SHOULD be scared. It's a seriously bad system, designed to keep women subjugated to men and allows bad men to become powerful.

Designed to keep woman subjugated to men.......maybe we shouldn't judge it so harshly after all

I do judge gorillas, who are pretending to be men harshly. Get real. Get a life. If a man believes in himself, and is secure in who he is, he is ok with his woman driving a car, going out with her friend, and having a life. Neanderthals are not comfortable with that. It is the 21st century. Be a man. Not a fool.

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