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It is within Thai nature to deny, obfuscate, deflect and subvert. Most of these guys cannot admit anything even when caught red handed. So, this is to be expected. Half Men. Hopefully, the little guy has enough guts to make sure they are put away. However, he rarely does the right thing. Not in his nature, nor his job description.

Trump is a bigot, a racist, a woman hater, and a pig. You cannot portray a pig as a gentleman. That is just a pig in camouflage. He represents everything that is wrong with contemporary American culture. He is as inferior a candidate as possible. Judging by their body language, not even immediate family is fond of him. A pig is a pig no matter how hard he tries to appear otherwise.

It appears that someone in a higher position might not have been getting their share. That is virtually the only time the little man cracks down. Having said that it is fun to watch filthy cops get censored. However, they should be facing 20 year prison sentences and 10 million baht fines. Not paid transfers. That is weak. That is not justice.

As long as the Cheap Charlie syndrome does not impact others, I guess it is fine, if it works for you. I have been out with friends, who have counted every baht on the bill, then began an adamant argument over 10 baht. That kind of behavior is simply ugly, and extremely unpleasant for everyone around. This guy looked like he was going to burst a blood vessel over 10 baht. And we know for a fact he is a property owner on Maui. He has cash! We had all just enjoyed a lovely couple of hours together, then this miserable saboteur ruins it with his antics. I told him straight up, this was the last time he was ever going to be invited to join our group, and that was also the last time I was ever going to have any contact with him. He was not a good friend. Just an acquaintance. And he was certainly not going to become a friend, after pulling an ugly stunt like that. Some call it cheap charlie. I call it poverty consciousness. If you just do not have any money, and need to do this to survive, my heart goes out to you. Otherwise, it is a bit tiresome for those around you.

So, it just depends on how seriously you take it. I know guys who are quite thrifty, but when it comes to sharing a meal, they are quite reasonable. Don't blow an artery over this. Just do your best. Life is short. You have to have some enjoyment, sometimes.

Yes sir....that is the type of cheap Charlie I think of when the word is used or people ask what that phrase means.

Worse than counting the bill and turning all chintzy over 10 Baht are the guys that never pay for the meal rather let someone else pay for the meal while they never even make an effort to at least make like they will pay for the bill.

I think we have all been there when 3 or 4 or 5 people are invited to go eat together and when the bill comes you begin to pull out your money and at least pay for your share but one of the guys ( maybe he is the well off guy ) insists that he pays ( his treat , so to speak ) while you say: "Well, let me pay for some of it or my share"... while the other guys say nothing and make no attempt at all to contribute and let the one guy pay for it all while you at least volunteer to leave a generous tip for the waiters...like that.

Same thing at the bars...they never buy a round or volunteer to pay for the drinks or just whip out 500 baht and say: "I think that covers my drinks".....Never....Only when it is made clear that everyone pays separately and then they scrutinize the bill and if there is any discrepancy or doubt about the cost of their drink and how many they drank then they will make a big fuss about it and even state: "I am not paying for your drink".....which is like 3 or 4 or 5 dollars.... if that is the case.

Just small minded Cheap Charlie thinking if ever there was

Then you notice that some guys never pay or share for anything when someone else does and even say they did not bring their wallet when it is suggested everyone pay their own way.

My one friends father in law was like that and every time they stayed in a hotel the guy would take all the soap and shampoo and ash trays and never shared the costs of meals and basically never pulled out his wallet and never shared the costs of anything or ever volunteered to pay for anything. and even said he did not bring his wallet with him on numerous occasions

My friend does not like the father in law...obviously...while even his wife laughs and tells stories about just how Cheap Charlie the father always was and is and always will be ...at the expense of other people..... is the point.

I have seen it and never sad anything but I noticed 2 people in particular were always pulling the Cheap Charlie at other peoples expense...such as shared taxi cab rides they would never volunteer to pay or contribute and will not pay unless you said to them: Give me 50 baht each for your share and watch their faces turn sour.

One time when sitting at a table with one of them around the bar area, I had one drink and then I had to be on my way and forgot to pay for my drink as I was talking with the other guy about something and finally said ..OK ..have to go.

2 days later when back at the same bar the waitress tells me how I did not pay for my drink while the friend refused to pay for my drink...all of 80 baht..... and argued with the girl on the principle that it was not his drink so why should he pay for it.

That is a cheap Charlie and a JERK if ever their was one while he was bound to see me again and could have told me I forgot to pay for my drink and tell me he paid for it and I would have given him the 80 baht without hesitation.

When I did see him again I brought up this subject and told him : You are a Jerk, really, and a Cheap Charlie on top of it while informing the dick head that the girl would have to pay for the shortage of 80 baht on her own and that is the reason she was so relieved to see me and get back the 80 baht difference.

Of course he did not care...and just laughed thinking it was so humorous while I called him an Axx hole

Anyhow, after that I never went out with them again or when someone invited us to go out for a meal and drinks after and either one of them were included in the invite I would decline and go off on my own.

Cheers

Those kinds of fools are simply invited out of my life. One time is enough. And when I know who they are we agree to split the bill evenly when it arrives or do separate checks. Frankly, I do not have enough time for people that petty.

And the father in law sounds like the biggest butthead of all. A true half man. I hope he somehow managed to do a decent job raising his daughter. Not sure how. Maybe the mother is more substantial?

I am not worried. Though I think these guys are much like the Chicoms, when it comes to having bad intentions, the difference is that they are so fabulously incompetent, I doubt their hackers or IT people would have much success. They are truly the Laurel and Hardy of Thai politics.

And just in case you are worried, just consider how many of the proposals they have actually followed up on. And for how long? A few days? It seems like they tend to forget their proposals a day or two later. They should be labeled the "gang who could not follow up anything". A small man, with an occasional big idea, that never gets done.

Not sure what so many are getting so hot and bothered by this situation. It is the kind of reaction I would expect in a (falsely) puritanical area like California, or other parts of the US, where fulfillment is virtually prohibited. So what? As long as she is not being coerced into it, who cares? More than likely, at the age of 27 she will be looking at a nice inheritance and she will move on with her life. And good on him. What a nice way to live out his last years of his life.

The fact that these guys were arrested at all, is somewhat astonishing. Will they be prosecuted? Will they actually serve time in prison for this assault? Depends on who they work for. Probably not. Although one would assume even in the crocodile world that they inhabit, beating someone up over 800 baht might be a little over the top. Such vermin. Who are these worms?

The fact that the authorities have allowed, and continue to allow these guys to operate on a daily basis, tells you all you need to know.

And as far as reeling these guys in? It would take a reel the size of the Haldron Collider, to reel in the thousands of people involved in loan sharking here.

I cannot speak about dogs in Thailand but I can share with you my experience from the US. My daughter was attacked by a dog and received severe facial injuries and almost lost an eye. She was only 6 years old at the time. To make a long story short, the dog was not put down. It was determined by a vet that the dog was not dangerous since it had never attacked anyone before and was not showing any signs of aggression during the 7 day observation period. No criminal charges were filed against the owner of the dog for the same reasons. The owner would not agree to settle so I had to sue the person in civil court. Since they were represented by their homeowner's insurance and their powerful attorneys, I ended up with just enough money to pay the medical bills. My daughter received no money for pain and suffering or the scars she will wear for the rest of her life. So even in the US the legal and civil system are not always what you would expect them to be.

In the US the system is considerably less corrupt than in Thailand, and the judicial system, though in dire need of reform, is not completely broken, as it is here. However, one thing the US and Thailand have in common, is that cash is king. He who has the most money to spend on attorneys in the US, usually prevails. In that sense, the system is corrupt. You can follow that trail all the way to the top. It is all about cash.

If you need any proof of this theory, just look at the O.J. Simpson case.

In most civilized countries, there would be no debate about whether or not this dog should be put down. This is a horrific attack, on a child. Her life will never be the same again. She is going to have to live with scars all over her face, for the rest of her life. This dog needs to be executed immediately. And the owner needs to come up with far more than the 150K he has offered. He should face prosecution. He was responsible for the dog getting loose. And he very obviously has never disciplined this wild, dangerous beast. If the people who are killing terrible, out of control dogs are getting prosecuted, why not the owners of these beasts? This is simply another example of a judicial system that is completely, and utterly broken, and dysfunctional.

Also, something needs to be done about the soi dog situation. From my point of view feeding feral, or near feral wild, street beasts does NOT earn Buddhistic merit, despite popular belief. Most of those does should be taken off the streets. They are filthy, are a menace, and a threat to society. The only reason they are allowed to exist is severe sloth on the part of the authorities.

Couldn't agree more - people who think they are helping by feeding these dogs are misled to the point of stupidity.

The Thai nation should hang it's head in shame in the ignorant and inexcusable way they deal with ALL kinds of animals, be they pets, domesticated, captive or wild they are all likely to suffer through the ignorance indifference that so many display towards them in this country.

Many Thai people have a strange, and rather bizarre sense of what earns them Buddhavistic merit. I am no expert on Buddhism, but have studied it a bit. Encouraging animals that are a menace to both society, and their neighborhoods, is something I highly doubt would earn merit, on any level, or to any degree. Now, adopting one of those sol dogs, and caring for it as a pet, is a different story altogether. But, allowing them to roam the streets, mangy, disease infested, and a daily menace to all around them, is not behavior that represents any sort of nobility or righteousness. A program to rid the nation of it's soi dogs would benefit nearly everyone. I do know some cities secretly collect them late at night. Good on them.

There is a dog I know of that has bitten five people and nothing has been done by either the owner or the authorities, yet if a citizen kills a dog they get jail time.

Well, lets go after that rodent. Sounds like great sport to me. I know a woman who pick up soi dogs late at night, who are making a nuisance in front of her house, in her pickup truck, and takes them for a long ride. She easily lures them onto her truck, with some food. She drops them off about 40 km. away. Simple solution for her. Done with. Gone baby gone! As long as they do not have a collar on, and they are misbehaving, they are free game. It may be illegal to kill a bad dog, but is it illegal to kidnap them?

As far as a citizen killing a dog, and serving time for it, it is simply an indication of a legal and judicial system that is completely dysfunctional, and totally broken. Everybody knows about the broken system. What prevents them from fixing it? Convenience? Sloth? Greed? Not wanting to pay for it? Who knows? Regardless, it is demonstration of a fabulous degree of incompetence, combined with indifference, on the part of the one who jawbones daily, about fixing his country.

When and where I grew up if a dog attacked a person and drew blood,the owner of the dog would have the dog put down that day no questions ask.The community consensus was the dog is not a problem unless it attacks and injures someone. And once a dog has drawn blood it is gone.The owners did not have to be told they would take it upon themselves to put the dog down. Sometimes it would happen in less than an hour.

Not sure where you are from, but it sounds like a very civilized place, where people are trained to take responsibility for the actions of their pets. Taking responsibility, on any level, is not a common thing here. Not sure why not. I don't even want to hear about face. All that face is, is an excuse to behave like a coward. Nothing more. Deflection, and cowardice. Face is ugly. Face is the opposite of growth, or manning up.

Of course this dog should be put down. If not by the authorities, then by the locals, or the family that was attacked. It would be the righteous thing to do, and would send a positive message to the neighborhood.

Posted 2015-01-03 15:53:43

I posted this a year ago. Police at the time said they could do nothing !!!!

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My daughter was attached on White Sand beach at Koh Chang Lagoon Resort on Tuesday morning whilst we were having breakfeast.

She was biiten in the face by a beach mongrel and the staff at the hotel were no help. We rushed her to Bangkok Hospital in Koh Chang and then had to take her to Bangkok Hospital in Chantaburi because the was no surgeon at the Koh Chang hospital but she also needed an eye surgeon and Plastic surgeon.

We were terrfified of the outcome. 4 hours of surgery and a lot of stitching and it looks like things will work out as well as can be expected. Needless to say the Bangkok Hopspital bill was huge.

Two days later back in Koh Chang we had to retrieve our belongings and informed the Royal Thai Police what happened. We were taken back to the scene of the crime and the owners of Koh Chang Lagooon entered the discussions about the incident with the Police and us.

At the end of the day I dont think much will happen. We had photos of the dog that the police did not seem interested in but the hotel owners requested a copy so they could inform the staff to keep an eye on the malafactor. The next day the dog was back on the steps of the restaurant.

The reason for this post is to warn people about the risks of beach dogs not just at Koh Chang but everywhere. In my experiance once a dog bits a person he will do it again. In my country a court order would be issued and the dog taken away.

I made this known to the hotel owners and if it happened again and the outcome was worse they would be in serious trouble. I hope I am wrong but if the dog is not removed odds are it will happen again. No matter how vigilant you are as parents these freak things can happen.

Perhaps a noble soul, who lives nearby can volunteer to take out this pathetic excuse for a dog? You would be doing the entire area a huge honor, and a huge favor. Dogs of this sort have no right to exist. Nobody else wants to take responsibility.

The day anyone hears of the police doing the right thing, in nearly any circumstance, please let me know. I would love to be able to modify or improve my attitude these "men of sloth".

And why is the victim's family named in this article, but not the owner of the dog? We should be allowed to shame this man, to no end. He should have to live with this for the rest of his life, just like this poor girl will have to. Her life is never going to be the same.

Does anyone know his name? Is it shown on the Thai version of the article that is quoted?

I don't even want to hear any mention of libel. We all know who is libel here. The terrible pet owner.

The dog should have been put down, it's a killer, singer was quite right owner should be prosecuted. Dog lovers will be along in a minute to tell us all how their dogs never harmed anyone etc

I'm a dog lover... My dog was a liability when we inherited him (Thai Bangkeaw) so I always kept him indoors or on a leash. We managed to slowly re habilitate him and now he is fine but I still keep him on a leash.

Owners of dogs that attack should be prosecuted. Dogs that attack should be re habilitated at the owners expense.. Do we put down humans that attack others ? No, we don't.

Well, it appears you are a conscious individual, who was willing to invest the time into your pet, and show society some responsibility. That is far more than this piece of crap owner did, when it came to the horrific beast he owns. He should be punished severely for this act. He is responsible. Call him out on social media. Blacken his name. Shame him. Embarrass him. Make his life as miserable, as the life this young girl is going to be forced to live, with her terrible disfigurements, and scars.

In most civilized countries, there would be no debate about whether or not this dog should be put down. This is a horrific attack, on a child. Her life will never be the same again. She is going to have to live with scars all over her face, for the rest of her life. This dog needs to be executed immediately. And the owner needs to come up with far more than the 150K he has offered. He should face prosecution. He was responsible for the dog getting loose. And he very obviously has never disciplined this wild, dangerous beast. If the people who are killing terrible, out of control dogs are getting prosecuted, why not the owners of these beasts? This is simply another example of a judicial system that is completely, and utterly broken, and dysfunctional.

Also, something needs to be done about the soi dog situation. From my point of view feeding feral, or near feral wild, street beasts does NOT earn Buddhistic merit, despite popular belief. Most of those does should be taken off the streets. They are filthy, are a menace, and a threat to society. The only reason they are allowed to exist is severe sloth on the part of the authorities.

Yes, after several near misses, I would have exited the taxi in the middle of nowhere. Happily. And glad I still had my life and limb. No journey is too important to take these kinds of risks. You could always have him drop you at the nearest town. And contact Uber from there. Come on. Concern about the driver losing face? That would be my last concern in the world, considering the position he was putting me in. Face is merely the greatest act of cowardice a human being can engage in anyway.

As a last resort, I would have offered to drive the car myself. If he did not agree, I would get out. No compromises with safety.

Please don't stop there. Please explain what you do next while sitting along the side of the highway halfway between Pattaya and Bangkok with suitcases - especially at night.

What if the situation becomes dangerous along the Skyway and you need to get out along there?

I agree it is probably the safer course of action, but we need some guidance on how to continue from there....

It is a fairly simple solution. Have him drop you off at the nearest service station. There are multiple UBER drivers that would be thrilled to pick you up there. And there are usually facilities and refreshments, and food to avail yourself of, in the time being. But, whatever you do, do not refrain from acting, and continue to put you life and limb in danger, out of some bizarre fear of a perceived breach of etiquette. If you driver is not fit to drive, all etiquette goes out the window. It is not worth it. You owe him nothing at that point, in the way of obligation.

I wouldn't except that as a solution at all. If a driver is nodding off, you don't have time to get to a "nearest service station". There are few along the highway, and he could fall asleep trying to get to the nearest one which could be a long way away and certainly give him the opportunity to fall asleep.

The situation has only one safe solution. If a driver is nodding off, you need to stop right away. What happens next is the problem - how to get home.

Well of course. What you are saying makes complete sense. In my scenario, there was an assumption that there would be a service plaza, or an exit nearby, which is often the case on the major highways. If not, of course stop. I would offer to drive. If he was not ok with that, I would request try walking to the nearest exit, and requesting an UBER. But, the last thing in the world I would do is remain in the car, with the risk of death or horrific injury. No way that is going to happen.

Life is complicated enough without a lost limb, or a broken skull. Not worth the risk.

As is usually the case, no fire safety standards were enforced. No fire escapes, fire extinguisher, sprinklers, additional exits, or smoke alarms. And who is responsible?

1. The entire administration of the city of Chiang Rai.

2. The entire administration of Prayuth.

3. All "safety" officials, who were also sleeping on the job.

Heads should roll. The owner of the facility should spend the rest of his or her life in prison, after being convicted of 18 counts of involuntary manslaughter.

These numbers that the TAT continue to throw around, are about as relevant, and about as truthful and factual as the Obama unemployment figures. The parameters for counting those numbers change on a weekly basis. They mean nothing. And the ministry even admits most of these tourists are Chinese. Which means regardless of the income generated, alot of that income is being repatriated to China. And the quality of tourist continues to decline. Those tourists are not spending much money, they are staying in hotels where the rooms are being purchased at huge discounts, and the same goes for the massive restaurants they are eating in. And they are purchasing very little when it comes to gifts, etc.

Just another example of a disingenuous government agency, trying to put on a pretty face, and disguise the boils, and disfiguring scars.

Should Catholics, Jews and people of other religions also be barred ? Very few Muslims are fanatics and members of Islamic groups. Muslim peoples will be your neighbors all over the world very soon if they are not already. Get over it and welcome them as friends and neighbours.

Only people with narrow views and paranoia will disagree with me. Some of my best friends are Muslims, I was brought up as a Catholic. People are people, religion should not divide us.

Well, I have been making this same argument for decades now. However, there is a PR problem within Islam. The clerics are not speaking out. The leaders are not speaking out, and most of the people are not speaking out, denouncing the extremists in a loud and unified manner. The super freak terrorist, gang rapist thugs are not being isolated, and treated as the pariahs within their own community. A lot of very open minded, independent thinkers in the west are seeing this, and getting very angry. It is making most Muslims appear to be complicit, or supportive of the behavior of the pigs. So, what is the average Westerner to do? I know alot of these people who are kind hearted people, without a racist bone in their bodies, yet are filled with hatred and animosity toward the Muslim community, due to what appears to be either indifference or support, much like we saw in Nazi Germany in the early 1930's.

Some will say the price for speaking out is just too high. But, at some point you simply have to stand up and defend what is right, or else what is the purpose of this whole endeavor?

In conclusion, I believe that if the Muslim world community does not stand up, and start making their voices heard in a positive fashion, what we may be headed toward is the 4th crusade. The entire Western world, against the entire Muslim world. I believe that is a very real possibility. It is their obligation. If the moderates are truly kind, decent people, they must make their voices heard. Silence will simply be interpreted as complicity, as it was in Germany in the early 1930's.

Yes, after several near misses, I would have exited the taxi in the middle of nowhere. Happily. And glad I still had my life and limb. No journey is too important to take these kinds of risks. You could always have him drop you at the nearest town. And contact Uber from there. Come on. Concern about the driver losing face? That would be my last concern in the world, considering the position he was putting me in. Face is merely the greatest act of cowardice a human being can engage in anyway.

As a last resort, I would have offered to drive the car myself. If he did not agree, I would get out. No compromises with safety.

Please don't stop there. Please explain what you do next while sitting along the side of the highway halfway between Pattaya and Bangkok with suitcases - especially at night.

What if the situation becomes dangerous along the Skyway and you need to get out along there?

I agree it is probably the safer course of action, but we need some guidance on how to continue from there....

It is a fairly simple solution. Have him drop you off at the nearest service station. There are multiple UBER drivers that would be thrilled to pick you up there. And there are usually facilities and refreshments, and food to avail yourself of, in the time being. But, whatever you do, do not refrain from acting, and continue to put you life and limb in danger, out of some bizarre fear of a perceived breach of etiquette. If you driver is not fit to drive, all etiquette goes out the window. It is not worth it. You owe him nothing at that point, in the way of obligation.

I consider both Pakistan and the Saudi kingdom, to be the two greatest enemies of the Western world. Pakistan has been harboring terrorists for decades, their intelligence services are in bed with them, and so is the government. In addition, they host the highest number of extremist Madrasas on the planet, which churn out a steady number of terror recruits, hellbent on world destruction, anarchy, and setting the world back many centuries. The graduates of those "schools" are a twisted class of men and women, who have a bent world view, and have zero understanding of Islam, nor anything the slightest bit spiritual. Only hatred remains in their tiny, black, foul, churlish, diseased hearts. And who is responsible for that? The Saudis have been donating billions of dollars to these schools for the past 30 years or so. They have been, and continue to be the world's greatest sponsors of terror, and the Pakistanis are the worlds greatest host of terrorists.

So, when Pakistan makes a big deal about violating their airspace, they are basically saying do not harm the terrorists we are working so hard to protect, and who are saying us a fortune, to use our country as a home base for worldwide terror. Who cares one iota? Some international laws are made to be broken. Some countries are asking to be disrespected. The Pakistani government and intelligence services do not deserve our respect, nor our regard, nor any consideration. Both these creeps, and the Saudi creeps are doing the world a tremendous disservice, and are two of the most disingenuous and heinous countries on the planet.

Culpability and acceptance of responsibility frankly don't exist here. Any investigation will go the same way as a nightclub fire.

RIP to the victims and condolences to their families.

You might be wrong on that count. The nightclub fire was resolved fairly easily, as the owner was very wealthy. As we all know, the wealthy here do not get punished. They simply buy their way out of trouble. Does this facility have a wealthy owner, or someone who is well connected? If so, minor penalties of no consequence will be levied for what is essentially 18 counts of manslaughter. The degree of negligence here is mind boggling. Will anyone be penalized? Is there a leader with a sense of justice? The owner of this facility should serve the rest of his or her natural life in a secure prison.

i said 'mai pen rai' when it was brought up in my office. It's only a game. This was met quite angrily. So i proceeded to explain that this is why 'mai pen rai' is bad. As what is precieved as 'mai pen rai' for one might not be precieved in the same way for others. Was a good way to explain some cross cultural frustrations that happen from time to time.

Your number one mistake was that you were engaging in a somewhat philosophical discussion. I have never encountered a culture that is less philosophical than Thailand.

As far as the match goes, I have no idea. But, in general Thailand is not exactly a shining light on the world's sport stage.

Anytime you live on an island here, you are subjecting yourself to pricing extortion. The prices are always higher, and people use the excuse of transportation. Samui and Phuket are pretty much finished. The quality of life has diminished dramatically over the past several years. On Samui, the congestion is getting so bad, it is harder to get around. No public transportation options, other than overpriced tuk-tuks. The taxis do not count. The local administration is so completely devoid of pride, they would not know what doing the right thing was, if it hit them over the head. Better to live in a coastal area, where the locals live, and a small ex-pat community.

Latin America is amazing. But, it is becoming more dangerous by the day. And if I believed what that list said, I would be a perfect candidate to purchase the Brooklyn Bridge. I hear it is for sale.