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7 hours ago, Banana7 said:
Other news agencies are reporting the knife-wielding attacker shouting “Allahu Akbar” (God is Greatest).
on the same day , another plce
A man armed with a long knife was arrested in the south-eastern French city of Lyon on Thursday (Oct 29) as he was about to board a tram, a source close to the inquiry told AFP. The suspect, an Afghan national in his 20s who was dressed in traditional Afghan clothes, had already been flagged to French intelligence services, the source said.
"He was carrying a 30cm knife and seemed ready to take action,
https://www.straitstimes.com/world/europe/french-police-arrest-afghan-armed-with-knife
an another one
The French embassy in Saudi Arabia said the consulate in Jeddah was subject to a "knife attack which targeted a guard", adding that the guard was taken to hospital and his life was not in danger.
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35 minutes ago, pacovl46 said:How many more people have to die for the sake of Charlie Hebdo exercising their freedom of speech?! Is making fun of a religion really more important than the lives of your citizens, especially when you know perfectly well that your caricatures are not going to go down well and people have previously died for the same BS?! Just how selfish and egotistical can one be?!
What they are pushing for is for France to adopt a blasphemy law.
You can always submit to the Muslim World, today for cartoons, tomorrow for gender equality, may girls sit next to boys in classrooms, what do you teach abouit Israël, etc.. the cartoon is just a pretext, a Trojan horse
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6 hours ago, 7by7 said:Put "Muslims condemn Islamist terrorism." or "Muslims condemn Islamist murder" into Google. So doing will result in multitudinous results.
Just one example from them: Global Condemnations of ISIS/ISIL
More relevant to this topic: Muslims in France condemn teacher’s killing near Paris
The big question is not "Why don't Muslims condemn such acts?" because they do. The big question is why the Western press, whilst keen to report the idiocy of Erdogan and Mahathir Mohamad, so rarely reports the mass condemnation of these atrocities coming from the majority of Muslims and their leaders; both religious and secular.
Muslim world condemns Macron, France over treatment of Islam
Leaders and groups across Muslim world join debate as protests erupt, while Europe stands by Macron and criticises Turkey.
"The spat has drawn in world leaders as people in Muslim-majority countries organise street protests."
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2020/10/26/french-president-comments-over-islam-keep-sparking-outrage
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2020/10/27/world-reaction-to-macron
Over 2500 mosques in France and how many in churches in Turkey?
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16 minutes ago, greenhornfarang said:
Im not surprised:
https://stanford.edu/dept/france-stanford/Conferences/Islam/Khosrokhavar.pdf
"There is a deep feeling of stigmatization on the part of the “Arabs” in France. Due to the colonial past and the dramas of decolonization (particularly the Algerian case) and the situation in the Western world which has turned against Islam after the September the 11th , the “Arabs” consider themselves as being stigmatized as “non French” by the other Frenchmen."I'm not suprised: they don't stand by France - if you read what they say about those attacks, they have always the justification you presented - By the way, they say they are not Arabs but Amazighs.
50% of young North Africans want to migrate, and as they speak French it's just convenient ( France, Belgium, eventually Canada, Switzerland) - in addition to social welfare benefits.
France is not a choice by heart.
It's a double frustration they have to live in a country they dislike, because they have no easier choice.
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20 minutes ago, NanLaew said:Fast worker then. Someone should hire him no?
One of the options discussed is he was sent from Tunisia purposedly to commit this attack.
All these healthy young men you see on rubber boats, rescued by NGOs - he was one of them
Now you know
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6 minutes ago, greenhornfarang said:Why not? everyone deserves a chance at a better life.
Actually they despise France and prefer Switzerland ( Geneva to introduce minimum wage of £3,500 a month.. ), Germany, Irland where they say people aren't as racist as we French are..
it's just that we know what it's like when 2500 mosques aren't enough
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4 minutes ago, Susco said:
Guess not the right time to go to any Muslim country and say, hello I'm Jean Claude
And the right time for Muslims to make a better choice than France for a better life..
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4 minutes ago, morrobay said:
So what are objectives of the Grey Wolves in France.
They are Turks, living in France (supporters of Erdogan) and they go after the Armenian diaspora in France, in punitive expeditions
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the assailant is a 21-year-old Tunisian Brahim Aoussaoui. Non-asylum seeker in France, he arrived in Lampedusa at the end of September where he had been quarantined by the Italian authorities before being subject to an obligation to leave Italian territory and left free... and arrived on French territory at the beginning of October.
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9 minutes ago, nausea said:So basically we have, or they're trying to impose by terror, a state within a state, an Islamic state within the French state.
it will become difficult to tell us that Islam and Islamism are not the same.
Today Lyon, Decines (Anti-Armenian Rally), "Grey Wolves" militiaman asks Turkish government for money and weapons to "do whatever needs to be done, anywhere in France
The Grey Wolves (Bozkurtlar in Turkish), officially known as “Idealist Homes” (Ülkü Ocakları in Turkish), is a Turkish ultranationalist armed organization. The movement is described as neo-fascist, anti-communist, anti-Greek, anti-Kurdish, anti-Armenian, homophobic, anti-Semitic and anti-Christian.
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1 minute ago, 4reaL said:
Islam = Peace
"Malaysia's former prime minister Mahathir Mohamad said Thursday that Muslims had a right "to kill millions of French people", shortly after a knife-wielding man launched a deadly attack in Nice."
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27 minutes ago, nobodysfriend said:
A bloody beheading after some cartoons of ' Mohammed the prophet ' have been shown in a classroom ?
To show the cartoons may , for some , represent kind of an insult , but a murder , a beheading , is another kind of crime .
There are a lot of muslims in France who hate the french and their lifestyle .
Macron is right if he says that he will ' crack down ' on islamic movements in France who want to spread terror and destabilize society and bring social unrest .
Erdogan just wants attention as he considers himself ' a great islamic leader ' .
as Charlie Hebdo nailed it on 2016 cover ( Barcelona Ramblas attack) - " Islam religion of peace .... eternal"
as of today, since 2015 ( Charlie Hebdo terror attack) attacks, attributed or claimed by Islamists have killed over 260 p in France
just a reminder
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Erdogan will enjoy this one (the French part) on 2017 Bastille Day Parade in Paris
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21 hours ago, sirocco said:
Hey! no, STEVENl, the burqa (wire mesh on the front of the face) and the niqab (veil covering the face) = enslavement - submission,
are also prohibited in private places, but open to the public, such as banks, restaurants, cafes, small private shops, etc.
If these women want to practice this submission, do not want to get rid of this straitjacket that hinders their freedom, they return to their country, to their hut, their hut.
They do not deserve the countries that feed them, house them, care for them, help them financially.Private/Public... see last CH cover.. released online Tuesday night, shows Erdogan, at home, wearing T-shirt and underwear, drinking a beer and lifting the skirt of a woman wearing the veil
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58 minutes ago, Deli said:
It would be a huge relieve if the Nationals of all the above mentioned countries would leave their Western host countries ( they have chosen to stay in ) and go home, in order to not have to come in touch with the French / Western products.
but French/ Western money has no smell
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1 minute ago, tgw said:
look at all these retards
centuries of obscurantism
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19 minutes ago, donnacha said:Screw it.
These countries are essentially saying that they will accept neither the principle of freedom of expression, or the leader of a free country saying how important in the aftermath of a teacher getting his head hacked off in front of his class.
With no sense of shame over the barbaric action of their co-religionist, they are calling for a boycott of all goods from France, a country that has allowed more Muslims to settle than any other EU country.
It is time we accepted that certain belief systems are incompatible, and that you cannot simply make medieval cultures modern by giving them smartphones. For decades, we have ignored the problem. Instead of making it clear that these principles of gender equality, freedom of speech, freedom of religion, freedom of sexuality etc are non-negotiable, we allowed the divide to grow. As Jewish populations fled Europe over the past three decades, the media and politicians refused to acknowledge that there was even a problem.
Europe should be open to people of all races and religions, but no fascistic political movement masquerading as a religion should be allowed to pee all over our core beliefs.
Sure, we can keep sweeping it under the carpet but, at some point, we have to admit that we have an existential problem.
-> "Sure, we can keep sweeping it under the carpet but, at some point, we have to admit that we have an existential problem."
In France we've been sweeping it under the carpet for so long, at this point we have to admit we have a huge problem impossible to ignore any longer.
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Boycott french labeled cheese made in Turkey for the turkish market ( 50%) and exported (50% ) to Iraq etc.. . .
just do it !
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On 10/25/2020 at 2:28 AM, simple1 said:
Terrible, merciless killing and injury of innocents. Keep foreign special forces in Afghanistan to assist and coordinate with destruction of IS in Afghanistan.
What is the proven rationale after all those years, for the West to stand in the middle of the way of ever conflicting tribes, Talibans and their alikes in the Muslim world - and become part of the problem - while IS as an ideology needs no borders trespassing to spread all over the Planet?
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Still accurate: In 1997, as mayor of Istanbul, Erdogan loosely referenced a poem by the Turkish nationalist Ziya Gokalp:
The mosques are our barracks,
the domes our helmets,
the minarets our bayonets,
and the believers our soldiers.
"Erdogan had included these lines in past speeches. But this time they provoked Turkey’s secular military leaders and civilian elite, who had just forced the country’s first Islamist prime minister from power and who viewed Istanbul’s popular, Islamist-leaning mayor as a threat."
https://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2016/04/turkey-germany-erdogan-bohmermann/479814/
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1 hour ago, Mayhem11 said:Islamophobia running rampant again.
what reprisals are being considered against China which, objectively, imprisons and mistreats (euphemism) the Uighurs ... any reaction from Erdogan?
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"The container left Serbia in July and was first transported to Croatia, which was the likely intended destination for those traveling in the container as an EU country. For some reason they couldn’t get out there. The container continued to Egypt, Spain and Argentina before it ended up in Paraguay."
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10 minutes ago, 7by7 said:The mere fact that the only evidence you have been able to produce to support your claims actually does the opposite only proves that not only didn't read it, but also no other mainstream evidence exists!
I make no comment on your use of a victim of terrorism to spread your hate.
Wether you like it or not, it's not just my understanding, it's how we in France now understand what is going on.
I have no hate - and I advise you to avoid defamation - I don't need to call people names to make my point.
It's always a pleasure for me to provide documents so everyone can check - and that's precisely what disturbs your agenda.
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28 minutes ago, 7by7 said:
@Opl,
Your rant above is the same as your previous ones. Based upon your prejudice alone.
This is proven by the simple fact that there is nothing in the document you provided which in anyway supports what you say; even your claimed quotes do not exists in the document!
No one denies that there is a problem with Islamic extremism in Europe and elsewhere. But your ignorant prejudices lead you to believe that those extremists, terrorists and murderers represent the majority. Even the document you, yourself, provided as 'proof' shows otherwise!
Your attitude only adds to the problem as it helps the extremists by alienating otherwise peaceful and law abiding young Muslims.
You're always judgmental, and reluctant to link facts that challenge your narrative. Of course It's uncomfortable to confront a different POV if you have to submit to an ideology.
It's not a problem for me at all to admit my prejudices, reinforced by this document and facts.
We now in the West are more and more able to understand how things evolve under cover - and it's all clearer now : Islam is Islamism at rest and islamism is Islam in motion. It's the same.
This highschool student (she was sanctioned and posed as schocked by the cartoons) who lied to her father who in his turn- peaceful as he is - took advise from islamists and the Mosque, .and finally talked to the author of the beheading - to name a few who took part in this atrocious chain of events - and you know how things ended - were all good people , until..
Let's not bury our heads in the sand.. in respect to Samuel PATY's legacy.
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Three dead as woman beheaded in knife attack at French church
in World News
Posted · Edited by Opl
To the Muslim World France is already an international pariah, so what ?..
Enough of being shy to defend our country in fear of hurting Muslims' feelings