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27 minutes ago, DannyCarlton said:
I doubt that millions of Thais visit Thailand on holiday.
I said of the same race, not of the same nationality.
"What about if these foreigners are the of the same race as himself."
How would you tell the difference in the appearance of a Thai, a Laotian, a Cambodian, a Burmese, a Chinaman or any other South East Asian. There are literally hundreds of millions of 'em.
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4 hours ago, AhFarangJa said:However, He reserves the right to be a racist xenophobe.
Many Westerners can't get their heads around the fact that Thais and other Asian nations do not accept let alone 'embrace' multiculturalism. We've had it drummed into us for years while in Asian countries nationalism has been drummed into their citizens.
A chum of mine brought his Thai wife to London. She was flabbergasted when for the first time they drove through Peckham in South London
Many Asian countries do not even accept immigrants. Thailand is one such country and Japan is another.
When they read of the problems immigration has often brought to Western nations some might think they may have a point.
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5 hours ago, YetAnother said:
purest racism
What about if these foreigners are the of the same race as himself.
Millions of foreign visitors to the LOS are.
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2 hours ago, spermwhale said:
From immigration? Tell me where in the world immigration is chatty and happy to see you? That's your complaint? "They are not the welcoming committee."
You can certainly say that again.
However first impressions are very important where tourism is concerned and accordingly while we may not want nor expect a chat a 'welcome to Thailand' or a quick smile would not go amiss.
Bear in mind we are discussing a country that likes to be referred to as the 'Land of Smiles' rather than a nation where we might expect to be greeted with a degree of hostility like North Korea or Cuba.
Incidentally I've been to Cuba and we were treated with more cordiality from their immigration people there than I've ever experienced from their Thai opposite numbers.
If the 'S' in the LOS stood for 'Scowls' it would be understandable but instead it's ironically meant to stand for 'Smiles'.
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20 minutes ago, Traubert said:
Ah, the scowls and frowns.....yeah...why can't they put a coat hanger in their mouths and those questions! 'Why have you been here eight months out of the last nine on a tourist visa?' How dare they!!
Seems quite common when anybody on here is talking about the Thais.......
"Why have you been here eight months out of the last nine on a tourist visa?"
You have never been asked that question at the airport, neither have I nor has anyone else reading this topic so why imply that anyone has?
Neither do you know anyone who's spent eight months out of the last nine in the LOS on a tourist visa. It would not be permitted so let's keep things real shall we. Adding nonsensical posts to a topic serves no purpose at all.
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24 minutes ago, smudger1951 said:I would normally be spending the UK winter months in Thailand. But the stricter criteria and internet application process has killed O visa & off farangs in large numbers. Registering your address and movements are a fine laden nightmare. LOS has shot itself in the foot. Any regrets ? ?
I used to get the ME O visa and visit Pattaya 2 or 3 times a year for 80 - 90 days each time and spend around 200,000 baht each time.
I can't get that visa any more and I'm not prepared to get a retirement or an Elite Visa so I'll be spending a lot less time in Pattaya in future and of course a lot less money. A couple of my friends who used the same visa process as myself will be doing likewise.
There must be tens of thousands of retired and semi retired falangs who work as taxi drivers, building workers or in seasonal occupations not to mention the North American, Scandinavian and Russian snowbirds who'll look elsewhere for their winter getaways because of these new visa regulations.
That's without those who may not want to risk being turned away at the airport because they are told they "come too much" by some IO on a power trip who got out of the wrong side of the bed that morning.
I don't think this virus scare will last all that long but it definitely won't help matters as far as the Thais who get their living from tourism are concerned.
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1 hour ago, Gweiloman said:
Everyone is treated the same. It’s just entitled farangs showing their poor education.
How does a person's level of education enter the equation?
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1 hour ago, spermwhale said:I have lived here a long time and I don't recall an tour operator, hotel or other people in the industry treating me poorly here. Once I signed up for a boat trip in Phuket and unfortunately they catered primarily to Chinese and the dock was full of them. However, the staff and even the owners who I met all treated me really well.
I'm curious what your experience has been to think that they are treating Chinese well but not westerners.The scowls and frowns and sometimes the interrogations us falangs receive on arrival at BKK Airport tell us all we need to know.
Just like a picture a scowl or a frown and sometimes a gesture can be worth a thousand words.
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2 hours ago, sapson said:
So with immediate effect immigration officers have at all airports have been instructed to stop the interrogations of people who simply wish to be in Thailand and spend money and welcome everybody with open arms.
No more ......you come too Thailand too much, here too long spending money, you stay in our cells for a few days and we make you pay to leave!!
Farcical tm30 rules will be totally relaxed along with other pedantic obstructive visa requirements.
The empty hotels nationwide will slash prices,offering promotions such as pay for one night get two free nights.
Thai Airways will promote huge discounts for both domestic and international travel.
Hospitals will offer free medical care for anyone with virus concerns.
etc etc etc..... then i woke up.
In a few weeks this will all be history and regular falang visitors will still be getting accused of working in Thailand and being told they come too much.
The top dogs will still be running the show and the Indians and Chinese visitors will still be welcomed so they can again continue spending their 6,000 baht a day in the LOS.
It'll take more than a bit of a health threat to make the Thai elite accept a loss of face.
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On 2/3/2020 at 11:54 PM, Tug said:No sir I’m sure you are aware over 70%of voters wanted evidence and witnesses full stop it’s plane as day donald is guilty of the charges the display of cowardice and partisanship by the republicans will be rembered come November and as a side note Mitch McConnell will be pay as well Donald Trump imo is unsuited for the job as potus that’s saying it nice
It’s plain as day Donald is not guilty of the charges they've laid against him. He's the best president the US has had in living memory.
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1 hour ago, Felt 35 said:
Home country demand you to show passport when paying with a Visa card??? Must be a sad home country..... could it be one nearby
I'm from the UK, a pretty sad country these days by anyone's standards but I've never ever been asked for ID when paying for anything with a debit or credit card. We don't even have to carry ID.
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On 1/14/2020 at 9:55 AM, Rod the Sod said:
This video is such <deleted>. If you take out the "girl" side of the argument (which most retirees wont factor in), and if you don't give a t*ss about whether an official smiles at you all the time or you have to comply with the law to get a visa, he is down to:
1. Visa rules may change - yep, the world over....
2. There is a focus on the growing tourist markets in preference to others. Yep, the world over...
3. Thais are racists, yep the same in Europe and almost everywhere actually. We will always be a foreigner but nowadays who isn't? He actually says "foreigners will never be Thai". Wow, smart guy!!
4. Farang pricing. Never been a problem for me. You live here and most likely pay no income tax. Factor that into your cost of living or amount paid to go places. So completely blinkered it is sad!!
6. Tourist scams - obviously he has not been to many places because there are many places worse than Thailand at this - try Egypt for example.
7. Corrupt police. Yup - so that covers 50% of the world!
8. Its all about the money in Thailand - no "its all about the money everywhere in the world" - they just make it more obvious! - I think this is largely a "girlie" thing so excluded really.
9. Saving Face - well that is all of Asia and most of the rest of the world but they just don't call it that
10. Lack of culture - loads of culture but not everyone wants to spend their retirement chasing Museums or Galleries. Anyway, bullsh*t as there are loads - just look for them.
11. Lack of compassion - obviously never been to hospital or really been close to a Thai girl.
12. "This is Thailand" - again, another earth shattering observation from our robotic commentator.
13. Lower class citizen - never ever experienced this
14. Instability - OK show me where there is stability right now.
I don't know why I spent so much time analysing this as it is such a poor video in so many ways. But I did, and here it is....
RtS
"11. Lack of compassion - obviously never been to hospital or really been close to a Thai girl."
Too true.
I accompanied my pal to a Pattaya hospital when he broke his thigh. The first thing they asked him for was his Visa Card.
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On 1/14/2020 at 7:51 AM, malibukid said:
sounds like America
Except the Yank IOs are even worse than the Thai ones.
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On 1/13/2020 at 3:24 PM, SteveK said:
I recently did my 90-day report in person. The IO was about the rudest official I have ever met in my life. Wouldn't look at me. Wouldn't talk at me. Then when he was done, chucked my passport at me and ignored my khop khun maak khap and wai. Sometimes I don't know why I even bother. Thailand does not want us here at all.
He'd probably received his training at Suvarnabhumi Airport and just been promoted.
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57 minutes ago, FritsSikkink said:
Try to say that in my face instead of behind the keyboard.
He does not even know where you are!
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On 2/3/2020 at 2:21 AM, bbi1 said:
Another reason why to never ever rent in Thailand. You never know who your neighbours are.
If you rent you can simply move. Not quite as straight forward if you've bought the place.
Rent Don't Buy.
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15 minutes ago, madmen said:
Don't believe everything you read on annoymous forums by first time posters and many were caught on the forums as BS. I have never had a friend rejected and know of nobody that has on the right visa
Well it's happened to a friend of mine twice. I did not read about it on any forum he told me about it in person! He's a straight forward retiree who holidays regularly in Pattaya. He was grilled each time (once for 40 minutes) in an interview room and it certainly shook him up. All his documents were in order and he's got plenty of money.
How do I or anyone else who happens to be a regular visitor know whether or not we won't get the same treatment next time we come to the LOS.
How do you know you won't?
If ever it gets really out of hand word will spread and falangs will stop coming. The Mail on Line and Fox News would wet themselves if the Thais were said to be picking on Westerners. Even the BBC is not flavour of the month with the Thai govt. Then their beloved Chinese and Indian neighbours would have to step into the breach to take up the slack.
However it's their country and if they no longer want falangs to visit then they should say so before we fork out on dodgy visas, flights and hotels. Most of us would fully understand that and possibly sympathise with 'em. Only the girls and their hangers on along with the bar owners would miss us.
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33 minutes ago, Matzzon said:Just maybe foreigners should stop try to use tourist visas as a way to engage in long stay in all countries they come to. See, problem solved.
Some tourist visas were intended to allow foreigners to stay a long time.
For example the ME TV allowed falangs to stay in the LOS for up to 90 days. The SE TV still allows us to stay for 60 days. Many tourists are often glad to go home before their visa expires.
But it's a bit rich when an IO tells you that a 60 day visa you've just paid a representative of the Thai govt for will not be honoured because that IO decides that you are working in Thailand or 'you come too much'.
Not only might you have to forget the price of the flight you've just paid for but you may also have to buy yet another ticket to go back home.
In my opinion the selling of visas to visitors should be stopped all together till it's decided if they are actually valid or not. Otherwise it's just another scam.
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22 minutes ago, Lacessit said:
To put this in perspective, in the two months coronavirus has been active, there has not been a single death in the USA. At the same time, 2300 people have died there from gun-related violence.
Or, closer to home, what's the Thai road toll for the last two months?
People always have more fear of a new and unfamiliar danger especially when it's a silent killer like an unknown disease.
It can strike any where at any time and anyone can be a victim.
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46 minutes ago, BritManToo said:
As far as I'm concerned, 'living it up' means having a younger woman press against me while I'm drinking a beer.
I manage that most days, without even having to leave my house.
Oh, so you're a bit of a rascal on the quiet then aren't you.
It's amazing how you find the time.
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37 minutes ago, NanLaew said:
Citation needed. When's the last time you or anyone you know could have been guilty of doing anything that resembles 'living it up' anywhere in Thailand?
Two weeks ago when I was on holiday in Pattaya.
Just in case you are still in a quandry by living it up I mean boozing and chasing around with women in the night spots of a town such as Pattaya. Something that is unimaginable in a French farm house, and a Thai farm house for that matter.
'Living it up' is usually understood to mean living extravagantly, carousing and generally having a good time.
If you're that unfamiliar with the term there are several on line dictionaries that you can consult. Just type in 'living it up'.
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45 minutes ago, BritManToo said:Still plenty of run-down Farm houses and farms in France for 12,000-20,000 Euros.
But no one wants to live in a run-down farm house or farm in France especially if they've just spent several years living it up in Pattaya or Bangkok.
That's why they're going for 12 - 20 K Euros. Nobody wants one even as a free gift.
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10 hours ago, DaRoadrunner said:
You are welcome to go freeze your ass off in expensive England and put up with women who have an attitude problem a mile wide. That is if you do not die of boredom first.
You don't understand the insecurity? Totally unpredictable ever changing visa regs, no pathway to citizenship. Fine, if you wanna be a nomad, but most of us want some security and stability without hassle.
Getting somewhere to live in the UK is not too easy if you're an Englishman with limited funds which will often be the case for returning ex pats.
A fellow I know spent a week living out of his suitcase while being shunted around from one London hostel (doss house) to another where he was only allowed to remain from 9 pm till 8.30 am.
Not much fun when you're approaching 70 years of age in the middle of winter.
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15 hours ago, impulse said:
I honestly don't know. Who spends more, Brits on holiday in SEA, or SEA tourists in the UK? Then, what percentage is that of GDP? My suspicion is that the old world and former commonwealth countries would lose a tiny percentage of GDP if SEA tourists stayed away. While the SEA countries would lose a significant percentage of their GDP if it went the other way.
Of course, I'm always open to being swayed by numbers. More open when those numbers come from credible sources. Which rules out TAT statistics...
To be clear, some segments would be devastated, as you mentioned. But the overall economy? I think SEA is a lot more vulnerable.
You've but to discuss the subject with a Thai person in any of the main resorts. He or she will soon tell you who the big spenders are.
And who the tight wads are.
Not much of an apology: Health minister Anutin unrepentant after face mask tirade against "farang"
in Thailand News
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I know two long termers who have started bringing some of their more valued belongings back to the UK and I'm one of them. We're lucky in that we live in rented accommodation.
We are becoming progressively more suspicious of the writing on the wall As are others we know including some ex pats.
And it's got nothing to do with the Corona virus either. It's got more to do with the sentiments of the likes of this Mr Anutin.