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On 10/25/2019 at 7:59 AM, PaoloR said:I have lived in Krabi for 15 years. Immigration here is great, helpful staff, short wait times. Compared with Phuket, Bangkok etc. it's a piece of pie.
Ao Nang is not great - it's a tourist town - what do you expect! Krabi is fine (just a few backpackers) and the surrounding countryside is wonderful. If you only spend your time in a tourist town no wonder you don't like it!
If you choose to live overseas, as I have done for the last 30 years, then you can expect to put up with a little red tape but the 3 hours a year I spend at the Immigration office (yearly renewal, 90 day reports, check in after overseas trips) hardly constitutes a reason to bitch, moan and decide to leave.
All the people on here moaning about Thailand, when in reality they don't know Thailand, they just know a few tourist spots. Get out and about - find the real Thailand and give us all a break!
Some people don't manage to get away with the 3 hours a year you spend at the Immigration office. Hence the title of this topic.
It's not always that straight forward for everyone. And for them it comes at a time in life when they're less able to cope with the stress and often the expense.
Their having stopped issuing the ME retirement visa is such an example of the headaches some people are now having to face.
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16 hours ago, FritsSikkink said:
Where is your proof the bouncer was drugged up? You can clearly see from the missed punch of the westerner he was drunk like a skunk.
Where is your proof the bouncer was not drugged up? Drugs such as cocaine and steroids can often make a user become violent and aggressive.
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15 minutes ago, Just Weird said:
His comment referred to "behaving violently", not "killing", therefore, what he said was accurate!
This fellow in this topic actually died.
Most people would consider that's a bit more serious than simply being a victim of violent behaviour.
That's why we're commenting on it.
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52 minutes ago, KenKadz said:
Mandarin GoGo has a history of these types of problems with aggressive security staff and nothing is done by local authorities. Must be Connected?
In fact over aggressive security staff has been a problem in Pattaya for decades and nothing is ever done by local authroities.
This business model defies logic, give a customer copious amounts of alcohol until the person is really drunk, an/or incapacitated, then if the person questions the bill which may be inflated, or becomes indignant due to drunkenness, gather a group and beat the <deleted> out of the drunken defenseless person because they are an easy target, and an ego trip for the punk ass security staff hitting a defenseless person instead of calling the police to sort out the problem like they should do.
Well said.
That sums some of Pattaya's Walking St gogo bars and night clubs up in a nutshell.
The French couples who were beaten up by bouncers from What's U and the kicking received by a customer from Insomnia bouncers are just two incidents that come to mind. That's just the ones we hear about!
You hardly see any Westerners in Walking Street any more and even fewer in the GGBs. Small wonder!
The poor bouncers must be getting frustrated.
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2 hours ago, CanterbrigianBangkoker said:
When you said 'I "go" there too' I thought you probably didn't live there. Anyway, not everyone in Pattaya is the same I'm sure, there's gotta be some decent people knocking about!
I just go on holidays a few times a year. After my 80 - 90 days I've had enough.
But I am always wary of something like this happening to myself as I've witnessed a couple of incidents like this but without such terrible consequences. It should always be in the back of your mind.
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21 minutes ago, CanterbrigianBangkoker said:
Hahaha! I go there too mate, it's convenient from BKK. I stay in Pratamnak when I do visit, away from the centre of town. Weekend trips now and again.
I'm making absolutely no judgement on people who like to visit, as I do myself too. It ain't all bad. There's definitely a 'Pattaya type' though, you know the ones, the long-termers.
But I'm a long termer!
Or I was till I started reading stories like this and the ones about visas and IOs.
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32 minutes ago, DannyCarlton said:
Yes contact was with left frontal lobe.
With a severe blow to the rear of the head, the brain can riccochet forwards (equal and opposite reaction) which then damages the frontal lobe.
So could a whack from a fist damage the frontal lobe especially one holding a weapon like a knuckle duster.
The posture of the one who did the damage did not look like he was preparing to punch someone. He looked more like he had something in his hand and he appeared to thump or club the victim with it rather than punch him.
Watch it again and see what you think. When he walks away afterwards it's as if he has something in his hand.
I remember years ago a punter getting a clout from a bouncer using a knuckle duster in LKM's Champagne Agogo. I broke his teeth and was totally uncalled for. So it does happen.
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56 minutes ago, DaveE13 said:
I been in Security industry in uk for 28 years. Have a CP Licence (Close Protection) not worked doors for years but believe me some nasty fellas in their 50s were working them in the 80s in East London and Essex. Just look at Lenny McLean he was head door man at the Hippodrome and punched a drunk tourist who hit his head later died. Got off too.
I think you'll find Lenny McLean was a different kettle of fish to the poor fellow in this story. And from what I've heard he was another liberty taker.
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1 hour ago, DannyCarlton said:
He wasn't knocked out because of the punch, hardly connected. He fell over and banged his head hard on the ground due to the bouncer carrering into him and him being drunk.
How did hitting the back of his head which is the part of it that hit the ground when he fell account for the damage to the right frontal lobe which is the injury that the coroner claimed to have killed him.
You actually see a blow delivered by the Thai bouncer connecting with the front part of his head. The right frontal lobe is situated at the front of the head.
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1 hour ago, CanterbrigianBangkoker said:
Your opinion only. Still, seeking to defend thuggery - great look.
Stay classy mate. You belong in Pattaya.
Oi, I go to Pattaya.
And I'm on your side!
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1 hour ago, mauGR1 said:After watching the video, it's clear that the victim was trying to leave, but the 2 guys were not happy with it, and wanted to give him a lesson.
I don't really understand why someone would defend those thugs.
Sadly there are those who share the same mind set and who would secretly or openly applaud the liberty taking vermin who attacked this unfortunate fellow.
Bouncers the world over are rarely known for their intelligence or sense of fair play.
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1 hour ago, BestB said:You think 50 year old is weak or incapable ? Some strange 50 year olds you hang around with.
50 year olds I hang around with , lift heavier than me and punch punching bags harder than me .
How much could the victim in this topic lift and how hard could he punch? And he was not 50 year old, he was 55.
Obviously he could not have been as tough as you or your cronies or he would not be where he is now.
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1 hour ago, robblok said:Maybe you watched a different video, i see him (foreigner) try to hit and miss the Thai first after that the Thai tries to hit and connects and fals over the guy.. End of fight. One punch thrown that misses (by foreigner and first) then the counter from the Thai connects and they both fall over.
He might be an old boy but he was heavier. I dont get it old guys here always complain about age discrimination and then when this happen they are all saying he was old. How can you have it two ways.
I'm not having it both ways. They took liberties with the man out in the street in full public view and now he's dead.
That's what this topic is all about. It's not about your imaginary complaints about age discrimination nor who's the heaviest.
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1 hour ago, richsilver said:
1. This incident happened 17 months ago. Why is it being posted now? 2. He could not have called 911 as this does not work in Thailand.
1. It' serves as a warning to others.
2 They might just possibly have meant that he phoned whatever is the Thai equivalent of 911 in the US or 999 in the UK.
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1 hour ago, CanterbrigianBangkoker said:So, once again trying to exculpate your countrymen. Sad, but typical.
A simiar thing happened to a friend of mine - 66 year old American man, severely beaten in Chiang Mai province - by a gang of spineless young Thai
menthugs.So again, in what is I'm afraid to say typical Thai fashion - we have 3 young men (well, that's a generous label for these cockroaches) vs one old foreigner. They immediately start swinging, no attempt to simply restrain or remonstrate with the man (caught on CCTV) these young lads go at this old fella full tilt, safe in the knowledge that their little mates are right behind them to back them up. Pathetic. These turds should be taught a lesson, life in prison, no chance of parole for at least 20 years. This is not how you handle a situation as trivial as what has been reported.
I take the point that bouncers are very often <deleted> the world over, but it is I would wager VERY RARE (and is something I have never experienced in the UK) to see 3 doormen attack an older male over a trivial issue such as this, when there is seemingly no prior violence or attempt of violence. Doorstaff in developed nations are at least often trained, and while many are looking for a ruck, there are also some decent and restrained guys out there who will do their utmost to defuse a situation. 3 against 1 / the difference in age - not something that you're likely to witness where I'm from. It is hard to know the pretext to this situation, but these remain pertinent no matter what - 3 against 1, unneccessary attack, age difference. Could and should have been resolved in a more professional and calm manner.
Even if this fella did swing first, with 3 young men surrounding you and -being inebriated- it might well be the first reaction of many. If he hadn't of swung would the 3 guys not have rushed him? Seems unlikely, knowing Pattaya.
The attitude toward tourists is at times staggering here. As an industry that is responsible for approaching half the economic output / GDP - directly or indirectly - Thais really can't afford to be this complacent.
Exactly right, they are and they DESERVE to be too.
Very sad in any case. I feel for his family.
Good post. You've hit the nail right on the head.
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1 hour ago, Vacuum said:
He might even have killed people....
My brother was in the army. The only time he ever fired his gun was on the rifle range.
He was in the Catering Corps and his service experience was typical of that of most so called 'veterans'. He hated and could not wait till his time was up.
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2 hours ago, 4MyEgo said:All it takes is a spark or a fruitloop and the fire will escalate, usually by more Thai's.
Has anyone asked what kind of training this guys have had or require, hmmm, I reckon none, but I could be wrong.
Not saying bouncers are not required, and needed, but come on, when a customer doesn't pay his bill, it's more than likely because it was marked up, just saying.
Be fair you do sometimes get blokes walk out without paying.
Sometimes it's intentional but often in our countries you pay as you go for your drinks so a newbie with a few drinks in him could easily overlook the fact that he's not paid.
But Pattaya bars are notorious for ripping off punters especially if they're daft enough to start buying lady drinks.
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2 hours ago, DannyCarlton said:
Happened about 10 years ago in my own home town in the UK.
Well I've never heard of a fifty odd year old man being attacked by bouncers and left knocked spark out in my home town.
And my home town is London which I bet is is a great deal bigger and more violent than your home town.
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4 hours ago, Fex Bluse said:Here is the problem.
Everyone here, including me, is speculating from the reports in Western media.
However, what tends to happen in Thailand is that the the Thai authorities feed entirely untrue information to the media.
This is very likely the case here as we KNOW the Thais are heavily invested in protecting their flailing tourism industry.
So, just because the report is from the widow of the deceased does not mean the information is reliable.
Where is the video????!!!!!????
In the Daily Mail article. It's rather disturbing. Perhaps it's been blocked where you are and possibly censored in the Land of Smiles.
You see the victim knocked to the ground in the street having been followed by his assailant. It's well away from the Mandarin's entrance.
He receives one blow to the head, what with we can't see but it was a strange kind of 'punch'. It incapacitates him and he immediately goes down. And there he stays, apparently unconscious.
I'm surprised the locals didn't start using his head as a football. Perhaps they knew enough of a liberty had already been taken with him by his attacker.
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9 hours ago, BestB said:
It means when you do not have any personal experience it is not wise to make assertive statements basing on what your friend does.
You do not have a point for me to miss, you first assert Thai bouncers are on steroids and meatheads, which is clearly false and not only shows you have zero understanding about steroids but have even less understanding to notice all Thai doorman at gogo bars are too skinny, most likely do not even hit the gym let alone use steroids.
Then you make assertion based on what your friend does what and how doorman must work, yet you have zero personal experience doing the job.
You don't need 'personal experience' to know when a fit young man has taken liberties with a bloke in his 50s.
It's obvious to any fool with or without any 'personal experience' if they've seen the video.
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9 hours ago, BestB said:
1. Thai doorman are not on steroids
2. Have you ever worked on the door? to state should be restraining someone who is raging, swinging and bigger than you in size and body weight? Its little different to Steven Seagul movies ????
Compared to the bouncer and his cronies the victim was an old boy. They just took liberties with him like bouncers often do.
I've seen the CCTV video and did not see the victim throw any punches worth mentioning. The bouncer appeared to purposefully club the victim's head hard with the base of his fist.
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10 hours ago, madmen said:
Ive been told that if a customer does a runner the staff are required to pay the shortfall
What have you been told that the staff are required to do when and if a lone customer refuses to be ripped off and proceeds to ring 911?
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27 minutes ago, Peterw42 said:
Are people not reading the linked stories ????
The guy "DIED A YEAR LATER" after the incident.
He woke up, hoped on a plane, went home, opened a cafe with his wife, died a year later from "pneumonia and brain injury".
According to the results of the autopsy the brain injury was brought on by damage to his right frontal lobe which is part of the head.
It was his head that was injured in the attack.
Older people cannot recover so easily from physical injury, they are rarely fit enough. That's one of the reasons you never see 55 year old men in boxing rings. They're much more vulnerable.
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4 hours ago, BestB said:
It was 1 punch. Do you honestly believe a 50 something kg guy can kill someone with 1 punch ?
was just either unlucky fall or connected in the wrong place .
Plenty of examples people being properly bashed and they ok. Sometimes it’s just <deleted> out of luck as they say , that is not to say he did not have pre conditions, having gone what he has gone through very possible to have pre conditions and that punch was the tipping point
In the video it looked more like a clubbing blow than a punch as if something weighty was in his hand. Possibly a knuckle duster. Note I did say possibly.
But it would explain the effect it had on the victim. And it would not be the first time such a weapon was used on a falang in the Land of Smiles. They used to be on sale all over the place, probably still are for all I know along with extendable batons and stun guns.
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Gulf War veteran, 55, was killed by a single punch from a bouncer in Thailand who claimed he tried to leave go-go bar without paying his bill
in Pattaya News
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You started on this line of conversation by asking "Where is your proof the bouncer was drugged up?"
Throwing a hay maker or punching the air is not proof that someone is drunk!