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6 minutes ago, expatjustice said:

of course, they are not gonna say "It is a process which you can totally do yourself by going to the court, asking there for free advice, being given a set of forms to fill out and continue the process yourself with mostly free advice. But here we will do it for you for 30,000 THB"... are they

Dressing the right way (poorly), being polite and respectful, they'll help. I think a lawyer will have to sign the petition but I bet they'll help with that too.

4 hours ago, Activated said:

"A contested divorce, i.e. dissolution of the marriage by the judgment of the court in Thailand, will take considerably more time, money and requires several court appearances and representation of a Thai lawyer."

That's from a farang website. Sure, it will take 3 court appearances I would think, perhaps considerable waiting time but not a lot of money in a poor farmers case  

She should be able to do this for a minimum amount of money, probably not totally free though. Each province with an appeals court have a section where she can go to get free advice, they should be able to provide her both with free advice and a sample she can use (I have used them in Bangkok). She can also ask to talk to the district attorney (ajjagarn อัยการ). A third option is to contact one of the "free advice websites", they should help with advice, perhaps sample petitions. She could try calling Paveena Foundation, they mainly work with abused women but could perhaps advice or help.

It's possible for Thai's to legitimize their children in court for free if they have no money. That is a court process. There should be a way. I don't think translations are necessary. It will go through without. I doubt the lead judge will throw it out if she comes without a lawyer because she's poor and doesn't have money, they'll find a way. 

1 hour ago, Danderman123 said:

It may be the case that testing won’t produce any more than 1500 or so confirmed cases, due to limits on testing.

I think they are testing a lot but it's not targeted testing, not mass testing. They have IMO a solid and well working contact tracing system, that's why they managed to keep it at bay for 13 months longer than all western countries except Australia and New Zealand. 

1500 cases a day, each meet between 5 and 10 high risk (first round), all tested, the same contact tracing procedure kicks in again and again until no high risk identified. They don't test those considered low risk but they are told to quarantine. The system is not perfect but IMO, it's a h*ck of a lot better than what the west could manage.

Back to Sweden again as I was there during the first wave. No information what to do. Some "high risk" called health authorities and asked. Eeeeh, try to stay away from people if you can, masks *not* recommended, they had decided to keep Sweden open so go to work. People who had identified themselves as high risk continued to commute, work in offices, in schools and shops without mask even. Were told to even.

Numbers? No idea but enough to say a lot IMO        

21 minutes ago, 2 is 1 said:

Over the past 24 hours, 90 patients have recovered and been discharged.

This was in news also! So 90 get home and 1457 put in! Hmm.. start to buid "few" more field hospital and fast!!!

I think they are

Their biggest problem is that lots of private hospitals refuse covid-19 patients. Some things are not entirely logical in Thailand but one would hope they do it because they don't have the medical capacity to treat serious cases. Another option could very well be that serious cases can be hugely expensive to treat. What would they do if the patient / relatives cannot pay?

In China (before the government announced that they would cover covid-19 treatment), relatives borrowed all they could and if that wasn't enough, hospitals stopped treatment. I remember reading a very sad story in SCMP (South China Morning Post) where the husband and relatives borrowed tens of thousands of dollars? (more than 20,000 anyway) to save his pregnant wife. They couldn't borrow more and the husband and hospital decided to stop treatment, the pregnant wife died. Only days later, the government announced they'd cover it. No wife, no baby and debt to pay. Got tears in my eyes when I read that.

Perhaps the Thai "solution" is the least bad when there are only bad options?

3 minutes ago, Surelynot said:

Does anyone know what "inactive post" actually means?........Do they sit at a desk doing nothing on full pay?

They have no formal responsibilities, they can have work to do

52 minutes ago, iian23 said:

Does driving through a province count as visiting it? If I drive from the south upto the northeast will I be deemed to have visited Bangkok?

Haven't found any clarifications of that. They're taking it seriously now so driving through a "red" province is most likely enough IMO. On the other hand, there are no quarantines for interprovincial travel within the non "red" provinces yet. As long as you stay within them you should be OK. 

4 hours ago, FarFlungFalang said:

That's sad if true.So they didn't try to save a single aged care resident in Sweden?That's awful.What are they many other illegal things they did? 

I went on a skiing holiday to Sweden in early March and got stuck there until August. Interesting time for the wrong reasons.  There was (for Sweden) a lot of coverage about their "solution" to manage the first wave, the government called it prioritization of course. The strongest news story was about a relative who repeatedly asked for information about her elderly fathers health but was refused, this is illegal in Sweden. She finally said that she recorded everything, did not allow palliative care and threatened with media and court action before the retirement home gave in and sent the father to hospital where he swiftly recovered.

There was media coverage of other cases where other relatives reported that they were refused information if their parent was diagnosed with covid-19 or not, if they had covid-19 at the retirement home or not, refused patient records. In some cases (except patient records), the retirement homes protected themselves by answering contact local health authorities but they refused to answer. One local newspaper wrote a formal letter demanding information from the local health authorities which health care institutions had covid-19, the local health authorities finally formally answered that they didn't know. The newspaper published it, created (for Sweden) a lot of media coverage and local health authorities finally gave in and "now they knew..." which health care institutions within their jurisdiction that were affected... Other news stories reported cases where elderly had been given palliative care without consent, the relatives found out first after their parent had been "put to rest". One nurse quit and was picked up by CNN I think it was. She told them that she had been told "blanket" do not send elderly to hospital in a meeting.

Facebook is less trustworthy but there were some retirement home health care workers that posted how bad they felt when they saw that some elderly was put on palliative care without even getting drip first.

The truth is that Sweden was extremely ill prepared. They didn't even have the bare minimum of PPT and it was therefore prioritized for the ones who could contribute to society. Elderly health care workers worked totally without PPT in the beginning, and after someone had been diagnosed with covid (not symptoms of), they were given shield (or later on mask) and a half apron (open back) with short sleeves to use when they were taking care of the patient. I saw a video on TV, after they finished with the patient, they walked 2.5 - 3 meters to the hallway, took off the shield (or mask, can't remember), then the apron and showed it in a bin for contagious material, still talking to each other. Removing PPT after you have been in contact with a contagious patient is a critical moment... Then they happily walked out and in to the next (not yet infected) patient without PPT, same clothes. They did wash their hands with disinfectant. It was supposed to show how safe it was. I facepalmed. This was during the first wave.

All refusal to hand out patient information to next of kin is illegal, all refusal to hand out public information is illegal in Sweden, both happened a lot during the first wave. Solidarity is a big word in Sweden

Quite a contrast to the very professional and strict quarantine measures I saw when I finally managed to get back to Thailand in August.

21 minutes ago, FarFlungFalang said:

I'm saying I counted 28 countries that did worse than Sweden in the deaths per million of population,are you hard of reading?I think you do care what the Lie Factory tells me which is why you are making your point.Sweden followed the WHO guidelines for pandemic response then the WHO changed the guidelines and apparently Sweden has also changed it's response but what Sweden refused to do was sell their sole and ditch their human rights.They didn't force their people to behave in a certain manner they retained their dignity in the face of adversity I believe.

They did not restrict freedom of movement but they did many other other illegal things. They instructed retirement homes to not send elderly to hospitals regardless of if they needed hospital treatment or not and instead start palliative care (morphine drip until they die, illegal without next-of-kin's explicit permission).

I am Swedish and I read many stories from desperate relatives. CNN ran a story on overwhelmed ambulance drivers confirming that they hadn't had one single call-out to a retirement home - where most of the people who died came from.

I'd call sacrificing the elderly like that a breach of human rights. But it was good for the economy, no more pensions to pay... 

22 minutes ago, FarFlungFalang said:

I counted about 28 countries that are doing worse than Sweden in the deaths per million of population.They are not doing the best but they are also far from being the worst.

Bring in demographics. Large country, low population, most people live in single or small house holds, and especially that there is little contact between generations in Sweden.

Also consider that Sweden has been so extreme in postponing "non life threatening" treatment that they don't expect to catch up until 2023. 

And they are doing really badly

42 minutes ago, Pattaya Spotter said:

Keep 2 meters distance from both and you'll be fine.

Best oxymoron I have heard in a long time. How do we stay away from an invisible virus? ????  

9 hours ago, Antonymous said:

 

Really? Where did you hear that, from someone in the bar?

 

Deaths per 1,000,000 population:

 

UK:  1,864

USA: 1,731

Brazil: 1,644

Sweden: 1,342

 

https://ourworldindata.org

Sweden adapted and improved their response, that's why I deliberately used past tense HAD in my post. Perhaps your reading comprehension is a bit affected after a few beers in a bar again.  

1 hour ago, wasabi said:

At some point will herd immunity occur without vaccines? I have very little faith in Thailand's vaccination program but at some point most of the population will have had Covid. I know this is not the desirable way to manage a pandemic but not sure if there is any other way out here? Then again perhaps all the different variants make it impossible without a vaccine?

Sweden has tried it for 13 months, had the highest death numbers in the world per 100,000 inhabitants and they are still very far from it. With number of re-infections rising, anti-bodies providing immunity for 6 to maximum 12 months it seems, I'd say never.

Different variants are no problem but will take time, it's relatively easy to combine vaccines to give broader coverage.

Interesting, thank you Moonlover. Have you heard of any travel restrictions / expected problems traveling from Sakon Nakhorn to Udon Thani and on to Bangkok? My 16 year old daughter is traveling back to Bangkok from Ban Muang alone Saturday.   

16 hours ago, Henricus said:

I was there 29 March they give me a appointment for 28 April

copy PP, Copy Visa, Medical and Resident from Immigration(no yellow book)

I have a blue tabien ban (permanent resident), exactly the same a Thai's, any information if they accept that?

26 minutes ago, WHansen said:

Back peddling there fella

Nope, it's just that it IS actually not difficult to get a test done for free upcountry. It should be according to the rules but it just isn't. I thought you guys here would be interested and not negative about it. How ignorant I was to think that most TV members would see anything positive in it. Now it's bad that people cn be tested for free because it doesn't follow the rules instead 

19 minutes ago, colinneil said:

So because your M.I.L. got it free, according to you everyone gets it free, dream on, you aint got a clue, just spouting off.

Thailand isn't black and white Colin. I didn't say everyone, nor do I think that everyone needs it. The point is that it's not as difficult as people coming from black is black and white is white countries think. It's quite easy upcountry, surely more difficult in Bangkok. We can't just read the rules and think That's the way is is in Thailand

2 minutes ago, herfiehandbag said:

The qualification for free tests you mention are so restricted that the vast majority seeking tests will be required to pay.

My mother in law got tested for free in Loei yesterday without having been to a risk area. This is Thaiand so it will vary between different places though

5 minutes ago, jackdd said:

Only if they deem you to be high risk. If another person in the same condo complex has covid and you want to get tested it won't be for free.

My mother in law got tested for free in Loei yesterday without having been to a risk area. This is Thaiand so it will vary between different places though

16 minutes ago, herfiehandbag said:

What is incorrect about my post then? The estimate of peoples income? The expectation that they will be unable to spend that much money? 

 

It was opinions not information. Don't presume to tell me and others what we can and can't post!

45 minutes ago, herfiehandbag said:

so - let us see: a person on the minimum (and we all know that is effectively, certainly " up country" for very many the standard) wage is receiving around 2000 baht a week.

 

Not going to be many going for tests then.

 

Should keep the numbers manageable...

What was wrong was that you wrote that there were not going to be many tests then, motivating it with that a person on minimum wage is receiving around 2000 baht a week.

How much money they make is irrelevant and does not affect number of tests as they test for free

28 minutes ago, herfiehandbag said:

so - let us see: a person on the minimum (and we all know that is effectively, certainly " up country" for very many the standard) wage is receiving around 2000 baht a week.

 

Not going to be many going for tests then.

 

Should keep the numbers manageable...

Don't post incorrect information only because you can't read the ThaiRath page. There is information there how to get free covid-19 tests. They even explain how to use the search functionality to find the one nearest to you. 

Read the linked page before you answer please.

55 minutes ago, Thaiwrath said:

Should be free ! That is a lot of money for some citizens.

But submarines are probably more important than the well being of your fellow people ? 

There is information on the ThaiRath page how to get free covid-19 tests. They even explain how to use the search functionality to find the one nearest to you. Read it please