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No force against "peaceful protesters", no problem, but those who throw grenades and shoot policemen, well that's a different kettle of fish!

The people who try to turn the head on peopleand call this protesters peaceful. -Who are they think they can sheet? The world media have been full of pictures and videos of violent armed protestors.....A militant mob who brake law after law and a juridical biased system who let them free when the police have arrest them....

Amazing Thailand!

I am thinking about what this movement try to reach.....Take away an elected goverment, block fresh elections, try to make a coup (juridical or military) with the purpose to take away the majoritys popular party. -What are they earn? -CIVIL WAR?

Yingluck? Is that you?

Mature!

"You seem to conveniently ignore the fact that more protestors have been shot dead as compared to policemen."

I'm not ignoring anything, R.I.P. to all of them, poor innocents betrayed by those they trust, Suthep promised them there would be no armed protesters and uses them as cover for his nefarious shenanigans.

You can say it was Suthep but I say they were killed by a government desperate to cling onto power.

They don't have to cling on to power, it has been repeatedly given to them, by the electorate.

Tarit is now busy spinning the administration's narrative. Four civilians and one policeman were tragically killed in a push that was witnessed by reporters. They reported that the police went in using live ammunition and tear-gas. The Civil Court has banned any such intervention in the future, as they ruled that the administration has no right to use violence to disperse protesters. Tarit, Chalerm, and the CMPO have been effectively neutered by the Civil Court from perpetuating any more incidents that will result in loss of life or harm to Thai citizens. The Constitution Court and the Civil Court have affirmed that protests are a right of dissent in any free society. The people have a right to walk on the streets of their own country. They have a right to protest this administration. Tarit and company are in the business of stifling public dissent and are in the business of intimidating anyone who supports - or even is suspected of supporting - the protest movement.They are drunk with power, and are abusing it, to the detriment of the right to free expression.

Pull the other one!

Do you actually believe YL aNd Chalerm will follow any Cc ruling? They dont even follow their own constitution. They have been told many times and they gave speeches that they would not try to stop the protests. Yet each passing day they have proven that they do what they want and dont care about the peoples laws or care the people. They will do ANYTHING to make their position stronger and to make it appear they are in control.

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I wonder about that too...and what this ruling will mean to this government, if anything.

AFAIR, the day before the assault on protesters, Chalerm and Co. were claiming they would only employ "peaceful" means. Which, of course, ended up being rubber bullets, tear gas and live fire.

So if the authorities consider rubber bullets, tear gas and live fire as "peaceful" means, then they're probably thinking they're in compliance with a court order for no "violence" or "force". Not that they've ever concerned themselves too much with what the courts have ruled.

"Which, of course, ended up being rubber bullets, tear gas and live fire."

In response to live fire and grenades.

What isn't violent about storming and occupying army HQ, police stations and government buildings, beating and shooting voters, murdering policemen and attacking police lines with live fire and grenades?

What chance has democracy got? The old guard will not let go.

In response to live fire and grenades? You're assuming the protestors fired first. If the police were the ones who started shooting and caused the gunfight then they have themselves to blame for the bloodshed. Murdering policemen? You seem to conveniently ignore the fact that more protestors have been shot dead as compared to policemen.

"You seem to conveniently ignore the fact that more protestors have been shot dead as compared to policemen."

I'm not ignoring anything, R.I.P. to all of them, poor innocents betrayed by those they trust, Suthep promised them there would be no armed protesters and uses them as cover for his nefarious shenanigans.

Do you actually believe YL aNd Chalerm will follow any Cc ruling? They dont even follow their own constitution. They have been told many times and they gave speeches that they would not try to stop the protests. Yet each passing day they have proven that they do what they want and dont care about the peoples laws or care the people. They will do ANYTHING to make their position stronger and to make it appear they are in control.

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I wonder about that too...and what this ruling will mean to this government, if anything.

AFAIR, the day before the assault on protesters, Chalerm and Co. were claiming they would only employ "peaceful" means. Which, of course, ended up being rubber bullets, tear gas and live fire.

So if the authorities consider rubber bullets, tear gas and live fire as "peaceful" means, then they're probably thinking they're in compliance with a court order for no "violence" or "force". Not that they've ever concerned themselves too much with what the courts have ruled.

"Which, of course, ended up being rubber bullets, tear gas and live fire."

In response to live fire and grenades.

What isn't violent about storming and occupying army HQ, police stations and government buildings, beating and shooting voters, murdering policemen and attacking police lines with live fire and grenades?

What chance has democracy got? The old guard will not let go.

Symbolic resignation only as Worawit is still there, he is said to be acting president for 30 days (according to law ?)

Any bets he will be reinstated after 30 days ?

Only took 2 posts before Suthep got slammed this time, the red loonies are improving, the boss will be pleased.

"the red loonies" ( loony's), So Robby nz, you think the "peaceful protesters" that threw the bomb and blew the leg off a policeman is a loon? how about the one that shot and killed the policeman, is he a loon also?

There is now way that some of these protesters are peaceful mate and who is leading them, The biggest loon of all using farmers as political pawns, first threatening banks if they give loans to the gov for farmers payments then after advice back-flipped and said banks should give loans,

The protestors did not throw a grenade, it was reported by a police officer that the police threw it. It was later reported that the police had an accident and the grenade went off.

Quit spreading lies! The question should be why did or do the police have grenades? Aren't those weapons of war?

<deleted> the video is pretty clear, when will you dumb fascists stop talking <deleted>?

The question is, what are peaceful protesters doing with grenades?

Suthep is to blame for this , he is a raving idiot, It is obvious that the firing is coming from the protesters, if the Police were doing the shooting Why is one dead and at least 4 or more wounded, Thai news stated 29 some were injured at noon, did not say which sides.

It is time for the rule of law to be enforced, let the army do what they may!.

Why do you bother to post other than to stir the pot. This is full of contradictions. So of the 29 injured lets assume some were protesters then how were they injured?

They were hurt by DISOBEYING the LAW. If the army were to come in do you realize how many people would be killed????????

ould you

blatent crly lieying outloud, PTP disobeying the law since 2010...and really ever since square face bought his way in to power. This is in no way comparable to a city under absolute siege in 2010. But some are brainwashed by their Isaan bird enough to think so...or to kiss it up, for whatever in law benefits they think they'll reap.

"This is in no way comparable to a city under absolute siege in 2010."

Why would you blatantly lie like that? How many government buildings were occupied in 2010? Your type really do think we working class are stupid don't you?

Well I've got news for you, I'd rather support my "Isaan bird", her family and friends than a bunch of hi-so Chinese business types and their elitist buddies who wouldn't even acknowledge my existence. Democracy is the word son, the majority of people want it and the days of reactionary old crocks like Suthep are numbered.

If Thailand were not 99% Buddhist it would be number 1 in road rage!

Would be nice to see the jerk without the helmet get arrested for assault.

The reason why Thailand has low incidents of road rage, is that it`s likely one of the parties concerned will have a knife or a gun and kill you. Common sense prevailing, most Thai motorists prefer to keep their heads down increasing their odds of getting to wherever it is they are going in one piece.

It`s obvious the farang in black is in the wrong, plus he`s not wearing a helmet. Perhaps he`s a Brit? As these incidents are common place in the UK. One farang in black, the other in white. It`s like a clash between good and evil. Feel sorry for the guy in white, who was probably in shock and hurt during the incident and his motorbike may have been damaged. Don`t know what I would have done in that situation? Especially if having to deal with an aggressive imbecile like that moron.

"Perhaps he`s a Brit? As these incidents are common place in the UK"

Oi! I resemble that remark, step outside!

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OK, we heard you the first time.

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This country is a joke.. I understand what they are doing, and agree with them.. The Shin govt. needs to go, they've ruined Thailand.. But, taking over Govt offices like their doing would get them shot in the US or England. People in civilized countries can't understand why the police allow them to do what they are doing. Of course, if the police did step in like they would in the US or England and shot a few people, we would be looking at large riots and lot's of bloodshed and we would be saying, holy shit, this country is a joke. Not sure what the answer is..

You've been watching too much of some inane TV programme, though God knows which one it could be. They might, just might, fire a few shots in the US, but certainly wouldn't risk aiming at the protesters unless left with no choice. In the UK, it wouldn't happen, unless terrorism was suspected, and a high public risk.

You have to be joking! in the US they would be shot and in the uk they would have their heads cracked open!

This country is a joke.. I understand what they are doing, and agree with them.. The Shin govt. needs to go, they've ruined Thailand.. But, taking over Govt offices like their doing would get them shot in the US or England. People in civilized countries can't understand why the police allow them to do what they are doing. Of course, if the police did step in like they would in the US or England and shot a few people, we would be looking at large riots and lot's of bloodshed and we would be saying, holy shit, this country is a joke. Not sure what the answer is..

"they've ruined Thailand"

Oh really! not too good with economics are we?

nice sort of a bloke..........

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the immigration department should sort this maggot out,

send him back where he comes from.

probably got kicked out of the boy scouts for being a wanke_r

and looks like nothing has changed in his life

I would stay well clear of knobends like these

how do you know? do you even know him? he may just be a clever bloke making money from adverts or page clicks on the internet. he may even be a nice guy. why would immigration care about "this maggot"? nice term for someone you don't even know. i don't know him either... but not so quick to judge.

Go to his blog site and read his opinions, then report back.

In any society there are millions who disagree with the government in power but they do not go out on the streets in their millions or even hundreds of thousands unless something is very wrong.

Thais are a fairly lazy race, common in warmer countries, and to motivate them to demonstrate like they are now seems to me to indicate that they think there is something very wrong with the government to the extent that it should not be allowed to continue.

In 3rd world political style the government is grimly hanging on and continuing to abuts the processes of democracy time and again, meanwhile Suthep is blocking democratic elections on the basis that they would not really be democratic. Both sides are of course intensely self interested and neither is a solution to Thailand's problems.

The country probably does need a people's council to effect some reform but perhaps it would be impossible to find people sufficiently distanced from one side or other to manage impartial reform for the benefit of the country rather than some group interest.

Oh dear Thailand, if only there were a few more selfless politicians around, in fact a product of their society, then perhaps there would be some alternatives at this crossroads.

It is truly sad to watch the infighting, not because of those involved getting hurt but because of the pain being inflicted on the poorest here like the farmers. It is shameful

Millions? No. If they could have got millions, they could have won elections*.

It comes down to the usual problem. The language barrier. So a few elite control the major Thai language media, and very few people get to see outside press. So we get bands of propagandized people at the extremes.

The Bangkok elite, genuinely believe Thailand is close to financial disaster, and never run the numbers themselves. The farmers genuinely believe the Bangkok elite thinks their votes are worthless because the few people who say that garbage are the topic of conversation!

People don't talk about the boring moderate reality, because it isn't a good news story. News flash, borrowing will be a little up this year because the rice price is down and the government rice subsidy has overrun.... Boring! News flash, most people like one man one vote..... Boring! See? The media is at extremes so the people who watch that media are at extremes.

*Security agencies put it at 300k (not Suthep's PDRC mob, the mob before Suthep created the PDRC and announced he wanted his peoples council). I crunched the numbers and thought it was 70-90k.

Well we can argue numbers all we like, I think yours are low and you think mine are high, but there are protesters in more than just the rally sites. The fact is there are large numbers of people out on the streets and even the farmers are looking likely to mobiles themselves.

The fact is that large numbers of people against a regime is not the norm and therefore something is very wrong with the regime in place because it should be in place working for the benefit of the whole country regardless of the political affiliation of the area.

The Democrats ignored the poor to a large extent for years and the PTP have been ignoring everywhere except its voter base pretty much. Both parties are now seeing their support undermined.

It is easy to promise shiny trinkets to the very poor to get their vote which is a hinderance to young democracies where education of the people is so poor. That is the policy of the PTP and it is neither sustainable nor does it benefit the country in the long run as the Labour Party in the U K demonstrates. You can only dine so many times with someone else paying before the party paying no longer wants to invite you.

I do agree to some extent with your comments about the media as this is the case in many places in the world but perhaps the less so here because of restrictions on the press generally and the current laws of defamation and to a lesser degree lese majeste which make muting the press an easier job.

Personally I think the PTP have failed Thailand in a huge way and been horribly corrupt with no thought to the future of the country and hugely self interested. The sad thing is that I fear the Democrats are only marginally different though the country does benefit from a thriving business model. Neither is the way forward as they are both devisive and self interested. Thailand needs something better than this.

"The fact is that large numbers of people against a regime is not the norm"

Of course it is! Look at the US and the UK for instance, the difference being, in the rest of democracies (except the Ukraine maybe), we don't stamp about like children, threatening to bring down democracy, kidnap the PM and other MP's, occupy government buildings and beat up and even shoot people trying to vote.

Maybe he can explain first to the world outside how he and his merry little PTP thieves raped Thailand and its farmers for everything they've got.

Yes, and at the same meeting, perhaps the leader of the Democrat Party, Mr. Abhisit, could explain why he ordered troops to open fire on crowds of civilians when he was PM. Now, that would be an interesting exchange of ideas.

Let me set you straight mr. red sheeple. Those 'civilians' were terrorists armed with stolen military weapons who were rioting and causing all kinds of chaos. They had killed many soldiers before the 'crackdown' and the government had shown great patience up to that point. The reds refused the offer for elections and normalcy had to be restored. The rioters made a concious decision to fight to the death in he name of the fugitive Taksin. Taksin is responsible for their deaths. His propaganda networks including Asia Update tv, Voice Of Taksin magazine, his terrorist 'leaders' whipping the brainwashed into a murdrous frenzy at least 3 of whom are now serving caretaker MP's. Abisit did nothing wrong.

Actually you're only partly right. Of the cases so far investigated I believe none of those killed were rioting or posing a threat. That being the case there was no justification for shooting them. That would seem to be borne out by the ROE so the army were responsible for not following orders but aren't being investigated.

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Actually you're only partly right, he wasn't even partly right!

According to this lot they already had the backing of the world democracies as per their bull crap for the last few months, so why seek it now.

I think you will find most countries have said the support and will continue who ever is in government. Foreign governments don't take sides and don't care who is driving the bus.

"Foreign governments don't take sides and don't care who is driving the bus"

Exactly! But what they do care about is free democratic elections unhindered by reactionary thugs.

That's 30mins quicker than I got in KL whilst laying on the pavement having a heart attack.

Perhaps it coincided with prayer time.

Good to see you survived despite the service.

Evidently you only read the parts of post that you think important. OP was not the one in need.

So?

That's 30mins quicker than I got in KL whilst laying on the pavement having a heart attack.

About time.

Hopefully it will go off smoothly without any problems.

How on earth do you think an open confrontation with the police v peaceful protesters exercising their democratic right to demonstrate will go off smoothly and without any problems?

"Peaceful protesters"? Where are they then? they're certainly not in BKK.