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Doctors are always there trying to heal everyone, whether red or not. But these reds cannot help themselves. They always have to intimidate someone. Do we all remember when they stormed the hospital at 2010? What kind of animals go after people who are actually trying to help others? The attacking of medical professionals is the lowest of lower.

"What kind of animals go after people who are actually trying to help others?"

Oo Oo, I know! The army, they murdered at least one nurse and one medic and wounded others while they were attending to the wounded in a temple in 2010.

Whilst under the orders of Suthep, (the butcher of Bangkok ), I believe.

Next question.

Maybe someone should do a side-by-side video of Suthep and Hitler speaking. The face expression, the movement of the hands and the tone of his speeches are exactly those of the madman Hitler and the gullible masses falling for him is a perfect example.

Hahahahahha we're comparing the charismas of Suthep and Yingluck but there's always some little guy who will bring up Hitler! Eventually, they can't help themselves and will have to use the F word also. Fascist!

Why not? that's exactly what he is, a fascist thug, the butcher of Bangkok.

Oooo 'the butcher of Bangkok'! How poetic! Did you strain yourself coming up with such a witty name for him? While I do like the name and all, who exactly did Suthep 'butcher' again?

Mmm let's think, well as the man who sent the army in in 2010, nurses, medics, reporters, taxi drivers and dozens of innocent protesters.

What a terrible world it would be if the red shirts actually had power.

No freedom of expression.

Democracy red style, zero tolerance.

Such is the color of red. Plenty of examples around the world.

Sorry to bust your pink bubble but the PDRC were the ones who said it was okay to cancel concerts based on political opinion:

http://englishnews.thaipbs.or.th/sek-losos-concert-phuket-cancelled-due-protest/

A concert by Sek Loso scheduled to be staged in Phuket Sunday night was abruptly cancelled due to a protest by anti-government protesters.

January 6th, 2014

Nice one! but it wont shut the fascists up, their twisted little minds are so full of hate towards those of us that support democracy and the rule of law.

Makes you wonder what their motives are.

She will reject it. There's no way she can have a talk 'live' on TV. She will need 'advice' from overseas and love him or hate him, Suthep has more charisma than her. Of course, she could always cry on live TV. That way the stupid people can say Suthep bullied her.

I never thought I would hear Suthep and charisma in the same sentence.

You should seriously think about doing stand up comedy. People would roll around the floor laughing at your comments.

Why not? When Suthep speaks, he's fiery. And he when he's sarcastic, you can feel the sting. Ask the drunkard.

Yingluck? Teleprompter needed and she's like a boring professor reading, you just want to snoreeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee. Only gets interesting when she starts crying. Boohoo.

Maybe someone should do a side-by-side video of Suthep and Hitler speaking. The face expression, the movement of the hands and the tone of his speeches are exactly those of the madman Hitler and the gullible masses falling for him is a perfect example.

Hahahahahha we're comparing the charismas of Suthep and Yingluck but there's always some little guy who will bring up Hitler! Eventually, they can't help themselves and will have to use the F word also. Fascist!

Why not? that's exactly what he is, a fascist thug, the butcher of Bangkok.

Obviously he means he's ready to dictate to her. The guy is an absolute joke.

"We must be ready to come to Bangkok within 24 hours for one purpose... to protect democracy," senior Red Shirt leader Nattawut Saikuar said at a press conference Tuesday.

The Reds will stage rallies over the coming weekends in the northeast as a show of strength, he added.

Protect democracy? Stage rallies. You guys weren't very democratic when you guys prevented the farmers from rallying this morning were you?

It's funny that AFP mentions 'violent incidence' conveniently ignoring the fact that thse 'violent incidences' were mostly directed at the protestors on a daily basis. The protestors have more or less been peaceful but whoever is responsible for attacking them daily is obviously not.

yes of course to 'protect democracy' you think the fascist Suthep will 'protect democracy'? where is Suthep's plans? reforms? who makes up the fascist Council? we don't know anything about his 'alternative to democracy'

only we must trust Suthep

let the people decide at an ELECTION - that's the democratic way

PS I'm against violence and will condemn it on EITHER side as should we all - good piece from AFP

I trust the 'fascist' over the red shirts false 'democracy' anytime. Reforms first then elections. Until the problems are fixed, democracy will continue to fail this country. You guys talk a lot of about elections and democracy and yet we've seen years of unrest and kleptocracy. The violence that's happening right now is what Shinawatra 'democracy' has brought us. You guys love red democracy so much. Wait till they come to Bangkok again and when there are ashes of burnt buildings again like 2010, you'll see what red democracy is about.

Democracy is worth fighting for!

These demonstrations are just the death throes of the old guard.

"After getting drunk, he put on a ski mask and broke into Preme’s home, as he reckoned there was a pretty girl living in the house, police said.

Sounds like Mr "C"!

He must have been drunk because she isn't exactly pretty

Not much that's real to look at there, is there? I love the way people look down on "construction" workers here. I'd like to give her shovel and let her mix bags of sand and cement for 300 baht for a 10 hour day in the hot sun.

She fought him off, yeah? Bogus story. I don't believe a line of it.

Like we ever believe a word you say!

"After getting drunk, he put on a ski mask and broke into Preme’s home, as he reckoned there was a pretty girl living in the house, police said.

Sounds like Mr "C"!

He must have been drunk because she isn't exactly pretty

You must BE drunk because you aren't exactly seeing straight.

~Only the good die young!.

Thanks for the warning, next Pattaya indeed, stay well clear of there then.

When judges of court barred law enforcement officers to search rally sites and disperse crowd that violated the rights of the public and clear illegal structures from the middle of the road, lawlessness prevails .

Send from my Mobile

Can you post supporting evidence for this allegation?

icommunity - A jpg is not enough. Appreciate a link to the website please so I can see the jpg in its full context.

The jpg says the defendant is the government (not the police) thus why I would appreciate the link to the website.

I thought you are so resourceful??????

http://thailand.prd.go.th/view_news.php?id=7132&a=2

Are you going to say this is the government website???? Go and take the information and ask the civil court or sue the government for disinformation.

WOW! I hadn't actually seen that. The government and police are stymied, how can a court tell the police they are not allowed to search for weapons? That can not be legal, court or no court, they are stopping the police from upholding the law.

ONHCR is full of crap.

It is taking news bites from government controlled media obviously.

Why are they not asking the question why there is no protection from terrorist attacks from government supporters and police?

Why they expect people to be totally unprotected and at the mercy of over 50 armed attacks with several hundred injusred, and expect them NOT to protect themselves when everyone deserves to protect themselves against violence?

Why there has not been a single investigation ordered or conducted into attacks on protesters (especially including the one they are commenting on)?

Why the police in fact killed unarmed people who were just building fences or leaning against a wall trying to shield themselves from harm. Proving that police indiscriminately shot into unarmed people as a revenge?

If they indeed are unbiased and interested in preserving HUMAN RIGHTS..... Why do they not ask these questions?

So the UN is wrong and you're right? don't think so son.

Your days are numbered.

Democracy will win!

It's worth noting that the events on the 19th of May, 2010 happened atfer several violent crackdowns on the the protesters. Not excusing anyone, just saying that things might have looked a lot different this time around too had todays government used the same approach.

And yes, the protests back then startet out just as peacefully as the anti-govt protesters today.

No, they didn't, the Red Shirts were cheering at the prospect of turning Bangkok into a sea of fire since before they moved into the city. Between then and the government crackdown there were many episodes of violence, including dozens of grenade and drive by shootings against targets in the "Not a Red Shirt Friend" list.

Besides that there was the precedent of their riots the previous year when, among other things they threatened to blow up a gas tanker in a neighborhood and tried to kidnap Abhisit (only got his aide who ended up in hospital).

So no, not the same thing at all.

There were many episodes between the violent crackdown attempt on the 10th of April and the final round of crackdowns, yes. But the protests in 2010 started peacefully. I haven't said it's the same, I said things might have look a lot different this time too if the government hadn't shown a great deal of restraint.

If the Democrats (funny name for a group of nepotists with no regard for democracy whatsoever) and their pals overthrow yet another elected government, we're probably in for even more trouble ahead than what happened in 2010.

Anyone see any way out of this situation? Looks pretty hopeless to me.

The gist of my post was in response to your last paragraph, where you stated that the Red Shirt "the protests back then startet out just as peacefully as the anti-govt protesters today.", which IMHO is not correct, Red Shirts had a history of previous violence and in the period before the 2010 crackdown were both promoting acts of violence and committing them too.

For example this is from September 2009: The headline reads "Destroy the elite" over the seal of the Democrat party. Does it look like the sort of thing a non-violent group espouses?

One starking difference between now and then is that in 2010 groups and organizations deemed against the Red Shirts were the victims of acts of violence (bombings and shootings) while today... groups and organizations deemed against the Red Shirts are the victims of acts of violence (bombings and shootings)... well, fancy that, there´s no difference after all!

Yeah but slowly and surely the elites are losing their grip. Once was a time, not long past, that they just used the army, but now the army is divided and don't want to play their game any more. So now they have to resort to using a handful of "popcorn vendors".

Slowly but Surely!

One brother who strangles a colleague and another who is an expert chair thrower, this is the professionalism of the family of this nasty imp of a man. Oh the poor fool Thais who are naively following him. Oh the poor fool Thais who are naively following the Thaksin regime as well.

The gullible Thai population can of course be forgiven for their childlike ignorance due to the culture they've been brought up in, with it's tragic education system, greng jai, biased media and general encourgement of mass-delusion as to its place in the world. No wonder they've been gulled into believing the removal of Thaksinism will really affect a corruption that has been rife on every level of this society for decades before the rise of the blood-sucking Shinawatras. But are they really that stupid to believe all this PDRC crap or are both sides simply refusing to face the truth about themselves and take responsibility for the first time in their history? For that is surely the real problem Thailand faces today, that there is nobody adult enough in this kindergarten of a country to make a proper, honest, stand for decency (and indeed, actual modernism) beyond a handful of ineffective, white t-shirt-wearing, candle-lighting (true) democrats who are being drowned out in the deafening roar of stupidity.

Even so, as this is posted here in Thaivisa by a foreigner to an audience of fellow foreigners, what pains me personally is just how much my fellow falang should bloody well know better than to be supporting either side of this pathetic performance by a (clearly) still developing country. Just because you have a wife, business or property here doesn't mean you shouldn't be ashamed of yourselves for giving dishourable buffoons like Suthep or Thaksin your support.

............................................................Just because you have a wife, business or property here doesn't mean you shouldn't be ashamed of yourselves for giving dishourable buffoons like Suthep or Thaksin your support...........................................................

OK, fair enough, but what about me ? I don't support either of them, I just hate Thaksin and his whole rotten family and political regime with a passion. Have never really made any sort of comment about Suthep, don't have any interest in him but probably would if he ran the country in a devious manner a-la the Shinawatras.

Then you may not be one of the falang I was describing, though I do wonder why you "hate" one bunch of allegedly corrupt, self-serving criminals yet "never really made any sort of comment" about the other bunch.

To an extent, I do understand you being more vocal against one than another since I myself am finding one particular group to currently be more overtly obnoxious than the other one, however that doesn't mean I condone either of them, let alone actively support or defend them.

That's what I was talking about in my previous post, the numerous, obnoxious and seemingly brain-dead westerners posting on Thaivisa in support or defence of either side of this utterly unprofessional, immature tragi-comedy of errors that is the political climate of Thailand.

The fact these people are posting with the same immaturity and lack of decency as shown by all these Thai political figures is probably merely more evidence for the image of low class westerners being attracted to Thailand.

You love yourself don't you? We're on here voicing our opinions cos we care, if you don't like it, get back to your knitting.

One brother who strangles a colleague and another who is an expert chair thrower, this is the professionalism of the family of this nasty imp of a man. Oh the poor fool Thais who are naively following him. Oh the poor fool Thais who are naively following the Thaksin regime as well.

The gullible Thai population can of course be forgiven for their childlike ignorance due to the culture they've been brought up in, with it's tragic education system, greng jai, biased media and general encourgement of mass-delusion as to its place in the world. No wonder they've been gulled into believing the removal of Thaksinism will really affect a corruption that has been rife on every level of this society for decades before the rise of the blood-sucking Shinawatras. But are they really that stupid to believe all this PDRC crap or are both sides simply refusing to face the truth about themselves and take responsibility for the first time in their history? For that is surely the real problem Thailand faces today, that there is nobody adult enough in this kindergarten of a country to make a proper, honest, stand for decency (and indeed, actual modernism) beyond a handful of ineffective, white t-shirt-wearing, candle-lighting (true) democrats who are being drowned out in the deafening roar of stupidity.

Even so, as this is posted here in Thaivisa by a foreigner to an audience of fellow foreigners, what pains me personally is just how much my fellow falang should bloody well know better than to be supporting either side of this pathetic performance by a (clearly) still developing country. Just because you have a wife, business or property here doesn't mean you shouldn't be ashamed of yourselves for giving dishourable buffoons like Suthep or Thaksin your support.

Well Mr high and mighty, I support my girlfriend and her family and friends in their struggle for democracy, not Thaksin, democracy! and if you don't like it you know what you can do!

I wonder if Tida and the rest of the Communists intend to return to the jungle and start a Khmer Rouge type insurrection like they did before.

Your statement is a simplistic attempt to raise the bogeyman of "commies". It is 2014, not 1950 and Senator Joe McCarthy the master of manipulation drank himself to death long ago.

Professor Thavornseth was an accomplished microbiologist and had a career on the rise until she made the sacrifice to join the pro-democracy uprising in 1973. It was that uprising that ended the brutal military dictatorship that had ruled Thailand with an iron fist. Subsequent to the 1976 massacre of students at Thammasat University and the reinstallation of the military dictatorship, her name was put on a target list for execution by the death squads that were roaming Thailand at the time killing the opponents of the military dictatorship. Yes, she fled to the jungle and the only group to offer her protection and support were the communists. She had no other option. It was flee or end up raped and dead in a field. She hid out for 6 years enduring hardship and suffering, all because she believed in democracy. She was non violent and it has never ever been alleged that she engaged in any acts of violence. She is the one UDD leader who has remained firm in her belief in non violence.

So, after all the huffing and puffing in your post, you admit (can't well deny it, of course, because it is history), that these UDDers were part of a Communist insurrection to overthrow the form of Thai government. Yea, Khmer Rouge, just a bunch of "bogeymen" engaged in genocide.

Last September when the body of Laud Chin Peng the former leader of the Communist Party of Malaysia, and a man who had fought against Thailand, was laid out in the prestigious Bangkok Wat That Thong, there were multiple dignitaries who came to pay their respects.

Thai military generals praised the man, and the Pricess Chulabhorn Walailak sent a wreath of precious orchids. There is both a lesson to be learned, and a dose of reality to be gained from that event. The Thai people who understood the politics of the era, who lived it, have a different view than the McCarthy era black and white view that you espouse.

The vilification of Thai "communists" was in large part caused by the USA. It started with the first payment of $10 million to Thailand following its recognition of the horrific Bao Dai government in French occupied Vietnam, and was sent on its way by the despot Phibun as Thailand was rewarded richly every time it did something "anti communist". Rather, than me giving you a lengthy history of Thailand and how U.S. money influenced Thai politics, why don't you study the subject yourself? In fairness to the USA, that is the way the world worked back then.

Uncle Joe Stalin was the darling of the USA for several years. Josip Tito was quite popular with the west. Fidel Castro remains quite popular with many EU countries and Canada . Vietnam's communist leaders are now the new love interest of the USA. In every era, friends become enemies, and enemies friends when it is politically expedient. The salient take away point is that the politics of 1970's Thailand and its repressive military dictatorship, pushed many people into the welcoming arms of communism because the communists were the only group willing to take on the brutal military dictatorship.

And btw, the Thai communists were not affiliated with the Khmer Rouge. It was the Thai government, which was ruled by the a military dictatorship, that made obscene profits by allowing the Khmer Rouge to resupply through Thailand. At the height of the Cambodian genocide, what was Thailand's response to the refugees from Cambodia? After the communist Vietnamese invaded Cambodia to end the genocide, where did the Khmer Rouge take refuge? Who were the Thai PM's during the decade that the Khmer Rouge fought their war against the freed Cambodians and the Vietnamese liberators? How did the Khmer Rouge manage to resupply from 1978 to 1995? Go and look at who was running Thailand during that period.

Ha Ha Zydeco, stick that in your pipe and eat it!

And you support those that would be quiet happy to see the army still behave like that.

Suthep has behaved like that!

Your statement is a simplistic attempt to raise the bogeyman of "commies". It is 2014, not 1950 and Senator Joe McCarthy the master of manipulation drank himself to death long ago.

Professor Thavornseth was an accomplished microbiologist and had a career on the rise until she made the sacrifice to join the pro-democracy uprising in 1973. It was that uprising that ended the brutal military dictatorship that had ruled Thailand with an iron fist. Subsequent to the 1976 massacre of students at Thammasat University and the reinstallation of the military dictatorship, her name was put on a target list for execution by the death squads that were roaming Thailand at the time killing the opponents of the military dictatorship. Yes, she fled to the jungle and the only group to offer her protection and support were the communists. She had no other option. It was flee or end up raped and dead in a field. She hid out for 6 years enduring hardship and suffering, all because she believed in democracy. She was non violent and it has never ever been alleged that she engaged in any acts of violence. She is the one UDD leader who has remained firm in her belief in non violence.

Those very same peace loving communists that you describe kidnapped one of my Thai uncles in the mid 70's, and held him for ransom for four months in the jungle.

When he was finally released after a hefty ransom being paid he was near death from malaria & infection from torture/maltreatment.

He has never been able to father any children.

Despite your assertions about Miss Thanvornseth, I think the traditions of violence to meet an end has clearly passed from the commies to the Reds.

You're entitled to your opinion, but it's not the commies/reds who have repeatedly throughout Thai history sent the army in to slaughter it's citizens.

Suthep has!

We always get info like their names, aves, and in this case, the hospitals the injured were taken to. But what about details if the incident for craps sake.

-*I typed this myself*-

Because there are no investigations of attempted murders of protesters, the police are under orders not to classify these as incidents and so we get no other details than this.

You have to be a red shirt target before the story is blown up with all sorts of details investigations and comments from the police. Such is the dreadful double standards that exist currently within Thailand.

Maybe Surapong will mention all this situation during his round the world all expenses paid luxury trip to bullshit the world's super powers.

But then again.

Kick him and all foreign terrorist sympathisers OUT!

UDD report card shows responsibility for over 90 dead during the brutal terrorist uprising and nothing achieved including not being able to overthrow an elected govt.

They can't even adhere to their own principles.

"To promote non-violence as our modus operandi for all activities"

The rest of the principles of democracy will catch up with this bunch of terrorists.

Time to listen to the will of the majority Tida.

"UDD report card shows responsibility for over 90 dead during the brutal terrorist uprising and nothing achieved including not being able to overthrow an elected govt."

I missed that, when was that then?

I wonder if Tida and the rest of the Communists intend to return to the jungle and start a Khmer Rouge type insurrection like they did before.

Your statement is a simplistic attempt to raise the bogeyman of "commies". It is 2014, not 1950 and Senator Joe McCarthy the master of manipulation drank himself to death long ago.

Professor Thavornseth was an accomplished microbiologist and had a career on the rise until she made the sacrifice to join the pro-democracy uprising in 1973. It was that uprising that ended the brutal military dictatorship that had ruled Thailand with an iron fist. Subsequent to the 1976 massacre of students at Thammasat University and the reinstallation of the military dictatorship, her name was put on a target list for execution by the death squads that were roaming Thailand at the time killing the opponents of the military dictatorship. Yes, she fled to the jungle and the only group to offer her protection and support were the communists. She had no other option. It was flee or end up raped and dead in a field. She hid out for 6 years enduring hardship and suffering, all because she believed in democracy. She was non violent and it has never ever been alleged that she engaged in any acts of violence. She is the one UDD leader who has remained firm in her belief in non violence.

Well said, a real person of the people, but you'll never convince the yellow bellies on here.

I'm a white English guy and have been treated similarly on occasions in the 48yrs I've been coming here. I just go elsewhere, some Thais are racist, get used to it or move on. You aint going to change it.

Chok dee.

No force against "peaceful protesters", no problem, but those who throw grenades and shoot policemen, well that's a different kettle of fish!

The people who try to turn the head on peopleand call this protesters peaceful. -Who are they think they can sheet? The world media have been full of pictures and videos of violent armed protestors.....A militant mob who brake law after law and a juridical biased system who let them free when the police have arrest them....

Amazing Thailand!

I am thinking about what this movement try to reach.....Take away an elected goverment, block fresh elections, try to make a coup (juridical or military) with the purpose to take away the majoritys popular party. -What are they earn? -CIVIL WAR?

Yingluck? Is that you?

Mature!

"You seem to conveniently ignore the fact that more protestors have been shot dead as compared to policemen."

I'm not ignoring anything, R.I.P. to all of them, poor innocents betrayed by those they trust, Suthep promised them there would be no armed protesters and uses them as cover for his nefarious shenanigans.

You can say it was Suthep but I say they were killed by a government desperate to cling onto power.

They don't have to cling on to power, it has been repeatedly given to them, by the electorate.