Russia hands note of protest to U.S. over plans to search trade mission

[rooster59]

Russia hands note of protest to U.S. over plans to search trade mission

 

MOSCOW (Reuters) - Russia's foreign ministry has summoned a U.S. diplomat in Moscow to hand him a note of protest over plans to conduct searches in Russia's trade mission complex in Washington, which should soon be closed, the ministry said in a statement on Saturday.

 

It said it has summoned Anthony F. Godfrey, deputy chief of mission at the U.S. Embassy in Moscow according to the embassy web site.

 

The ministry called the planned "illegal inspection" of Russian diplomatic housing an "unprecedented aggressive action", which could be used by the U.S. special services for "anti-Russian provocations" by the way of "planting compromised items".

 

The closure by Sept. 2 of the consulate and buildings in Washington and New York that house Russian trade missions is the latest in tit-for-tat actions by the two countries that have helped push relations to a new post-Cold War low.

 

 

-- © Copyright Reuters 2017-09-03

[LannaGuy]

And no doubt Russia will respond, and who can blame them, and another 'Cold War' is on the way. And for what?  stupid Trump.

[craigt3365]

1 minute ago, LannaGuy said:

And no doubt Russia will respond, and who can blame them, and another 'Cold War' is on the way. And for what?  stupid Trump.

Perhaps if Russia hadn't so blatantly hacked the elections, we wouldn't be where we are today. Place the blame properly.

[LannaGuy]

Just now, craigt3365 said:

Perhaps if Russia hadn't so blatantly hacked the elections, we wouldn't be where we are today. Place the blame properly.

 

Of course USA never hacks anyone!  never interferes in any elections and is squeakily clean.  Place the reality properly.

[stevenl]

10 minutes ago, craigt3365 said:

Perhaps if Russia hadn't so blatantly hacked the elections, we wouldn't be where we are today. Place the blame properly.

There is a difference between closing a mission/expelling diplomats and searching a mission.

 

But also in the former case, this tit for tat is leading to nothing.

[Trouble]

It was the Obama Administration that first acted kicking out diplomats from the Russian Mission in the US.  Then it was Congress who acted.  Trump really had little to do with this current situation.  

[RuamRudy]

1 minute ago, Trouble said:

It was the Obama Administration that first acted kicking out diplomats from the Russian Mission in the US.  Then it was Congress who acted.  Trump really had little to do with this current situation.  

Expulsion of individuals is one thing - the violation of a sovereign country's property is a totally different issue. See post 5:

 

56 minutes ago, stevenl said:

There is a difference between closing a mission/expelling diplomats and searching a mission.

 

[bartender100]

I get the feeling Putin is a little more cautious of Trump than previous Presidents, USA could still wipe Russia off the map pretty easy without nukes

 

 

[LannaGuy]

16 minutes ago, Trouble said:

It was the Obama Administration that first acted kicking out diplomats from the Russian Mission in the US.  Then it was Congress who acted.  Trump really had little to do with this current situation.  

Not true he could have reigned it in and did nothing trying to show he is not pro-Russia   lol   it's a disaster as a policy and pretty dumb.

[nasanews]

Searching diplomatic missions!

Have we ever heard of this before? It is kind of strange and funny as U.S officials try to get search warrant asap, the Russians are burning all documents as quick as they can.

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

2 hours ago, LannaGuy said:

 

Of course USA never hacks anyone!  never interferes in any elections and is squeakily clean.  Place the reality properly.

AFAIK, the U.S. didn't interfere with Putin becoming the dictator of Russia... The same can't be said for Russia and Trump becoming the dictator of the U.S.

 

[FritsSikkink]

2 hours ago, bartender100 said:

I get the feeling Putin is a little more cautious of Trump than previous Presidents, USA could still wipe Russia off the map pretty easy without nukes

 

 

Sure and they would do nothing, get real

[Rancid]

The US has again crossed the line of normal diplomatic convention. Some idiotic and completely unproven claims against Russia doing what the US has actually been proven to do for decades doesn't change that. There again there are no shortage of those throughout history that myopically defend the indefensible.

[LannaGuy]

1 hour ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

AFAIK, the U.S. didn't interfere with Putin becoming the dictator of Russia... The same can't be said for Russia and Trump becoming the dictator of the U.S.

 

Hyperbole Russia made no difference and I can assure you USA has their dirty little hands everywhere from Iraq to Afghanistan to everywhere in between. Trump got in because people hated the PC Dems and once the PC Dems get this, and reduce the PC  BS, they will win back again.

 

BTW Putin is not a 'dictator' they had elections and he WON DYOR.

[RuamRudy]

2 minutes ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

Most of the U.S. activities referenced in the article you post were decades ago -- 1950s to 1970s. And as the article explains, the U.S. and Russia/USSR were both equally active in supporting opposing various regime changes in smaller and Third World countries.

 

That's a bit difference than Russia directly trying and succeeding to influence the 2016 U.S. Presidential election.

The key word being 'Most' - the US involvement in Ukraine and the attempts to install an allied government on Russia's doorstep could certainly be seen in a similar light.

 

As for now, well who knows what covert, murky operations are being orchestrated by every government of the world?

[FritsSikkink]

32 minutes ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

Most of the U.S. activities referenced in the article you post were decades ago -- 1950s to 1970s. And as the article explains, the U.S. and Russia/USSR were both equally active in supporting opposing various regime changes in smaller and Third World countries.

 

That's a bit difference than Russia directly trying and succeeding to influence the 2016 U.S. Presidential election.

What about the regime changes in:

Libya, Afghanistan, Iraq, Syria (attempt)

Next possible ones:

North Korea

Venezuala

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

55 minutes ago, LannaGuy said:

BTW Putin is not a 'dictator' they had elections and he WON DYOR.

 

Just like Sadam used to regularly win Iraq's elections. Holding up Putin and Russia/USSR as an example of real democratic elections is a sad joke.

 

[LannaGuy]

4 minutes ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

 

Just like Sadam used to regularly win Iraq's elections. Holding up Putin and Russia/USSR as an example of real democratic elections is a sad joke.

 

I didn't hold him up nor Trump up and comparing Russia's democratic elections with Saddam is not just a joke but ignorant USA USA USA typical propaganda. This thread is not about your political bias its about the USA wanting to search a building owned by Russia just to wind them up.

 

BTW:  USSR say's a lot about your knowledge of Russia  

Edited September 3, 2017 by LannaGuy

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

59 minutes ago, RuamRudy said:

The key word being 'Most' - the US involvement in Ukraine and the attempts to install an allied government on Russia's doorstep could certainly be seen in a similar light.

 

 

When it comes to the U.S. role with the Ukraine vs Russia in the Crimea and Ukraine, it's pretty clear to most people who the bad player is there.

 

Quote

 

The majority of members of the international community^[81][82][83] and organizations such as Amnesty International^[84] have condemned Russia for its actions in post-revolutionary Ukraine, accusing it of breaking international law and violating Ukrainian sovereignty. Many countries implemented economic sanctions against Russia, Russian individuals or companies – to which Russia responded in kind.

 

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_military_intervention_in_Ukraine_(2014–present)

[craigt3365]

5 hours ago, LannaGuy said:

 

Of course USA never hacks anyone!  never interferes in any elections and is squeakily clean.  Place the reality properly.

Nice deflection and off topic.

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

2 minutes ago, LannaGuy said:

I didn't hold him up nor Trump up and comparing Russia's democratic elections with Saddam is not just a joke but ignorant USA USA USA typical propaganda. This thread is not about your political bias its about the USA wanting to search a building owned by Russia just to wind them up.

You mean as opposed to ignorant anti-U.S. propaganda?

 

I'm not the one who did the original post on U.S. and Russian past efforts at international regime change -- just responding to those who wanted to use that for one-sided anti-U.S. tirades.

 

 

[LannaGuy]

1 minute ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

 

When it comes to the U.S. role with the Ukraine vs Russia in the Crimea and Ukraine, it's pretty clear to most people who the bad player is there.

 

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_military_intervention_in_Ukraine_(2014–present)

You have tried to deflect this thread to :  Trump,  Putin,  USSR, US election meddling, Saddam Hussein and now Ukraine can you stick to the SUBJECT?   

[craigt3365]

1 hour ago, Rancid said:

The US has again crossed the line of normal diplomatic convention. Some idiotic and completely unproven claims against Russia doing what the US has actually been proven to do for decades doesn't change that. There again there are no shortage of those throughout history that myopically defend the indefensible.

Please show links to reliable news sources that prove the US hacked the election of a major country and published the results on the internet. Which is what Russia did to the US as has been proven.

[craigt3365]

1 hour ago, LannaGuy said:

Hyperbole Russia made no difference and I can assure you USA has their dirty little hands everywhere from Iraq to Afghanistan to everywhere in between. Trump got in because people hated the PC Dems and once the PC Dems get this, and reduce the PC  BS, they will win back again.

 

BTW Putin is not a 'dictator' they had elections and he WON DYOR.

It can't be proven the hacking didn't influence the elections. Some experts feel it did.

[farcanell]

5 hours ago, craigt3365 said:

Perhaps if Russia hadn't so blatantly hacked the elections, we wouldn't be where we are today. Place the blame properly.

This whole hacking thing has got me rather confused.... I can't quite figure out who was benefiting, if trump, why not let it die down... if Clinton, well that failed, so again, why not let it die down?

 

sure... sort these security issues before the next election, but actively pursuing it seems pointless.... as does creating an international incident over diplomatic immunity. Once the building is vacated, burn it down... whatever... all good

[farcanell]

1 hour ago, LannaGuy said:

BTW Putin is not a 'dictator' they had elections and he WON DYOR.

Lol... and Hitler was not a dictator as they held elections and he won.

[RuamRudy]

1 hour ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

 

When it comes to the U.S. role with the Ukraine vs Russia in the Crimea and Ukraine, it's pretty clear to most people who the bad player is there.

 

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_military_intervention_in_Ukraine_(2014–present)

What about pre-revolutioinary Ukraine, you know, during the period that brought about the instability and the annexation of Crimea? That is what I was referring to.

[Caps]

5 hours ago, bartender100 said:

I get the feeling Putin is a little more cautious of Trump than previous Presidents, USA could still wipe Russia off the map pretty easy without nukes

 

 

.....and then it was 0600 and the alarm went off!

[aright]

The Russian Ambassador described this as "an illegal takeover"

Of course the Ukraine wasn't

[LannaGuy]

4 hours ago, craigt3365 said:

It can't be proven the hacking didn't influence the elections. Some experts feel it did.

 

Democratic party experts no doubt? there is little doubt that USA/Russia/China and many others try to influence many things around the globe and better none of them did but, alas, it's the world we live in and I have no doubt political gain is being made by Dems of the sour grape variety. We have ended up with a megalomaniac and the millions did not vote because of Russians but because they are really pissed off with the PC culture that Obama encouraged. It's boring and I'm bored with hearing about Trans, People of Colour, Midgets, KKK, Dreamers, Lesbians and all the other minorities who seem to think they are much more important than the vast majority. And don't say they want to be equal. I want them to be equal but that's not what is happening. Russia played around, sure they did, and USA plays around too. Get back to policies of the nutter POTUS and people will rally round.