What narrative will emerge from ex-PM’s flight from justice?

[halloween]

37 minutes ago, Eric Loh said:

You can put lipstick on the junta, they will still looks bad, conniving and will manipulate for their own benefits. That they left the door ajar purposefully is a foregone conclusion. Under such political climate when the persecution is selective, it is better to live and fight another day.

It is not a foregone conclusion because it is not supported by anything but supposition - your favourite little fantasy. You consider the prosecution selective because they are your criminals being prosecuted, but it is the evidence that proves them guilty as charged.

[Eric Loh]

13 minutes ago, halloween said:

It is not a foregone conclusion because it is not supported by anything but supposition - your favourite little fantasy. You consider the prosecution selective because they are your criminals being prosecuted, but it is the evidence that proves them guilty as charged.

Supposition perhaps but not without much serious assumption. Junta government and police state and the boasting that she was being monitored was a normal measure. Then they let slip the monitoring. Just like the missing CCTV when the plague was removed. How convenient.

 

Criminals? Seem most countries ignored the extradition request for Thaksin and will be the same for Yingluck. That's how the free world see the political situation in Thailand.  

[YetAnother]

13 hours ago, rooster59 said:

selective narratives are frequently fed to domestic audiences, lessening any likelihood of an uprising.

it is called propaganda;

as to the narratives, take the usa, for example: analysts/staff members of diplomats, the astonishing number of think tanks, mainly in washington DC, and analysts in the State Dept have already concluded their narratives;

as they are professionals at doing such things, they know how to interpret banana republics' speech, policies  vs. their actions

[Baerboxer]

14 hours ago, Thailand said:

Her son is still here. Neither she or Thaksin are likely to say or do anything until they can get him out but as he has just started military training that is unlikely in the short term unless he gets posted to Dubai!

Possibly part of whatever deal was done but not likely to know what that was until the current incumbents are ousted.

 

Isn't his military training, along with lots of other private school students. sponsored by his parents, who also pay? Isn't it a Saturday activity?

 

Not exactly boot camp and conscription.

[Baerboxer]

2 hours ago, Eric Loh said:

Supposition perhaps but not without much serious assumption. Junta government and police state and the boasting that she was being monitored was a normal measure. Then they let slip the monitoring. Just like the missing CCTV when the plague was removed. How convenient.

 

Criminals? Seem most countries ignored the extradition request for Thaksin and will be the same for Yingluck. That's how the free world see the political situation in Thailand.  

 

Ah yes. Thaksin's eternal friend, the former terrorist and dictator of Cambodia refused to extradite him in 2009. 

 

I think most countries that bother with intelligence services in Thailand see the Shin clan for exactly what they are. 

[wakeupplease]

What narrative will emerge from ex-PM’s flight from justice?

 

Entertainment for the TV keyboard warriors for a few days.

[TheLobster]

9 hours ago, ovi1kanobi said:

She might be worse off then locked up. LOL

What's funny about that? What a <deleted>!

[Reigntax]

18 hours ago, halloween said:

Interesting that you think respect is a deserved right one way but has to be earned going the other.

Should those who "hate the Shin family (not without cause)" respect those who will vote for known criminals because they offer the best handouts? Should those who hate their blatant corruption respect those who choose to ignore it? When they protest the waste and corruption of the Shin government, should they respect those who use violence to intimidate them?

 

 

 

 

Should the Thai people respect the current self appointed government who blatantly ignore their political choice, their rights to exist and their rights of freedom just because this select group believe they are superior to the general population and were born with the inherent right to control, decide who it a suitable leader and appoint their own stooges to represent the people?

 

Yet, they have been doing the same for 70 years and still cant manage to do it sucessfully. What hope and how many chances should they have? 18?, maybe another 10 coups?

 

Worse still, there are those who support them despite their obvious total failure each time. How much weight should be given to the opinion and judgement of those who support constant failure?

[lamyai3]

What narrative will emerge? I think Shakespeare had the answer to this one:
"...a tale told by an idiot, full of sound and fury, signifying nothing..." 

Edited September 10, 2017 by lamyai3

[halloween]

5 hours ago, Reigntax said:

 

Should the Thai people respect the current self appointed government who blatantly ignore their political choice, their rights to exist and their rights of freedom just because this select group believe they are superior to the general population and were born with the inherent right to control, decide who it a suitable leader and appoint their own stooges to represent the people?

 

Yet, they have been doing the same for 70 years and still cant manage to do it sucessfully. What hope and how many chances should they have? 18?, maybe another 10 coups?

 

Worse still, there are those who support them despite their obvious total failure each time. How much weight should be given to the opinion and judgement of those who support constant failure?

But their political choice was NOT ignored, they were given the opportunity to govern until their ineptitude and corruption became unbearable. And they were given the chance to choose again, and ignored that they were voting for criminals to install those criminals to do even worse damage to the country. the last 2 coups have been quite successful, they have removed criminal conspiracies and forced their leaders to flee. Other members are either in jail or awaiting prosecution. Perhaps the serious sentences being handed down will convince criminals they are better staying away from politics.

What is worse, supporting the solution or supporting those whose greed coupled with a gormless lack of discernment cause them to disregard crime in search of a handout.

[Becker]

52 minutes ago, halloween said:

But their political choice was NOT ignored, they were given the opportunity to govern until their ineptitude and corruption became unbearable. And they were given the chance to choose again, and ignored that they were voting for criminals to install those criminals to do even worse damage to the country. the last 2 coups have been quite successful, they have removed criminal conspiracies and forced their leaders to flee. Other members are either in jail or awaiting prosecution. Perhaps the serious sentences being handed down will convince criminals they are better staying away from politics.

What is worse, supporting the solution or supporting those whose greed coupled with a gormless lack of discernment cause them to disregard crime in search of a handout.

What solution???

[JAG]

Io

But their political choice was NOT ignored, they were given the opportunity to govern until their ineptitude and corruption became unbearable. And they were given the chance to choose again, and ignored that they were voting for criminals to install those criminals to do even worse damage to the country. the last 2 coups have been quite successful, they have removed criminal conspiracies and forced their leaders to flee. Other members are either in jail or awaiting prosecution. Perhaps the serious sentences being handed down will convince criminals they are better staying away from politics.

What is worse, supporting the solution or supporting those whose greed coupled with a gormless lack of discernment cause them to disregard crime in search of a handout.

Well, if there was anyone left on this forum who held on to the belief that you had any respect for the consistently expressed will of the Thai electorate you have soundly disabused them. Put bluntly, you dislike their choice for government. They were offered the choice again, but (how dare they) again chose the side you dislike.

The two coups were successful - in your eyes - because they removed the government which the people had chosen and replaced it with one you favour!

 

That is not a solution. It has entrenched corruption, increased and formalised the abuse of the rule of law, and removed the political rights and many freedoms from the Thai people.

 

 

[maeab101]

10 hours ago, Baerboxer said:

 

Isn't his military training, along with lots of other private school students. sponsored by his parents, who also pay? Isn't it a Saturday activity?

 

Not exactly boot camp and conscription.

Who knows what they are training him for???

[halloween]

21 minutes ago, JAG said:

Io

Well, if there was anyone left on this forum who held on to the belief that you had any respect for the consistently expressed will of the Thai electorate you have soundly disabused them. Put bluntly, you dislike their choice for government. They were offered the choice again, but (how dare they) again chose the side you dislike.

The two coups were successful - in your eyes - because they removed the government which the people had chosen and replaced it with one you favour!

 

That is not a solution. It has entrenched corruption, increased and formalised the abuse of the rule of law, and removed the political rights and many freedoms from the Thai people.

 

 

Of course I dislike their choice of government, almost half the population of Thailand disliked it. But like me, they abided by the choice until the corruption and waste became intolerable. Do you deny that both governments removed were corrupt?

What is abuse of the rule of law, removing corrupt politicians from power and prosecuting them, or voting to allow them to repeat their crimes?

The ballot box DOES NOT over-rule law. Get over it.

[halloween]

14 minutes ago, maeab101 said:

Who knows what they are training him for???

I don't think the Thai military uses suicide bombers.

[Ricardo]

16 hours ago, ovi1kanobi said:

Why else whould she leave her only son......And the mother of the year award goes to........

Yes, ridiculous that she should leave their son with his father, I mean she always took him with her on her many diplomatic-trips overseas when in-power, didn't she  ...  erm  ... 

 

10 hours ago, Baerboxer said:

Ah yes. Thaksin's eternal friend, the former terrorist and dictator of Cambodia refused to extradite him in 2009. 

You're not allowed to point that out, it would make a mockery of all the posters who recently condemned Prayuth, when he held-his-nose and made a short diplomatic-visit to visit the 'elected' leader of Cambodia.

 

 

10 hours ago, Baerboxer said:

 

Isn't his military training, along with lots of other private school students. sponsored by his parents, who also pay? Isn't it a Saturday activity?

 

Not exactly boot camp and conscription.

My son is currently of-age to do his voluntary-training, it's a series of two-week camps over three years followed by a week of testing/appraisal, although some international-schools up here also do an hour-or-two of drill-practice mid-week after-school as well. Of course the local-to-Bangkok training-camp may do things differently.

 

I'm quite pleased with it so far, a bit of discipline & the chance to fire a carbine, won't do him any great harm IMO.

[ovi1kanobi]

3 minutes ago, halloween said:

I don't think the Thai military uses suicide bombers.

It coild be a false flag situation.

[ovi1kanobi]

1 minute ago, Ricardo said:

Yes, ridiculous that she should leave their son with his father, I mean she always took him with her on her many diplomatic-trips overseas when in-power, didn't she  ...  erm  ... 

 

You're not allowed to point that out, it would make a mockery of all the posters who recently condemned Prayuth, when he held-his-nose and made a short diplomatic-visit to visit the 'elected' leader of Cambodia.

 

 

My son is currently of-age to do his voluntary-training, it's a series of two-week camps over three years followed by a week of testing/appraisal, although some international-schools up here also do an hour-or-two of drill-practice mid-week after-school as well. Of course the local-to-Bangkok training-camp may do things differently.

 

I'm quite pleased with it so far, a bit of discipline & the chance to fire a carbine, won't do him any great harm IMO.

Sounds like boot camp!

[AGareth2]

9 minutes ago, halloween said:

The ballot box DOES NOT over-rule law. Get over it

have you ever heard of Parliamentary Sovereignty?

[Ricardo]

1 minute ago, ovi1kanobi said:

Sounds like boot camp!

I didn't ever get-the-chance to do national-service myself, it had been phased-out in-favour-of a proper professional-army  (now there's an idea for the Thais !) , but yes it does sound like that doesn't it.

 

With the bonus of not having to be entered-into the military-selection lottery a few years later, but the risk that if ever Thailand needs to mobilise their reserves, he might be called-up  (if he's still here)  as an NCO or very-junior acting-officer.

[halloween]

11 minutes ago, AGareth2 said:

have you ever heard of Parliamentary Sovereignty?

Yes, have you heard of separation of powers? which is the preferred model?

[Eric Loh]

21 minutes ago, halloween said:

Yes, have you heard of separation of powers? which is the preferred model?

Have you heard that the separation of power is non existence now. The model now preferred by the junta is rubber stamping NLA and judiciary that lean more to political expediency.   

[AGareth2]

Parliament is sovereign

in a democracy

25 minutes ago, halloween said:

which is the preferred model?

 

[halloween]

2 minutes ago, AGareth2 said:

Parliament is sovereign

in a democracy

 

BS. And even in the democracies that have it, it is limited. It certainly doesn't apply to politicians corruptly lining their own pockets, or ordering state banks to issue loans.

[AGareth2]

3 minutes ago, halloween said:

BS. And even in the democracies that have it, it is limited. It certainly doesn't apply to politicians corruptly lining their own pockets, or ordering state banks to issue loans.

There speaks a learned lawyer

However this is not the thread to discuss such matters

[LannaGuy]

23 hours ago, halloween said:

Until then, I will apply Occam's Razor. The simplest explanation being that the criminal ran away before the verdict.

What criminal?  the verdict is on 27th or do you know something we don't?  anyway history will show her as a martyr for democracy in Thailand who had to escape the tyranny of unelected government

[JAG]

have you ever heard of Parliamentary Sovereignty?

It is obviously over ruled (in his opinion along with the rule of law) by the right of a small, very wealthy and extremely corrupt (always conveniently omitted from the arguement) group to take power whenever they feel there dominance is threatened.

[halloween]

16 minutes ago, LannaGuy said:

What criminal?  the verdict is on 27th or do you know something we don't?  anyway history will show her as a martyr for democracy in Thailand who had to escape the tyranny of unelected government

I'm quite sure red history will try to portray her that way. The problem is, history is written by the winners, and will reflect the idiocy (B500 billion worth) of appointing an inexperienced person to high office to act as the puppet of her criminal brother.

[halloween]

30 minutes ago, AGareth2 said:

There speaks a learned lawyer

However this is not the thread to discuss such matters

It was you that brought up a strawman argument with no relevance to Thailand. If you don't like the answer, don't ask the question.

[d123]

19 hours ago, sandemara said:

I've seen nor heard any "official" confirmation beyond Prawit's speculation presented as what he called "solid evidence".  He the fact she "might have been" in the car was solid evidence.

No proof whatsoever.

If she had been in the car at the checkpoint and allowed to pass through, why aren't those in charge of the checkpoint already in the calaboose with a decent interrogation team climbing all over them?

What people want to believe and what is actually reality gets smeared into confusion all the time in the Thai media drama scripts.

Could it be that particular 'checkpoint' is the infamous 'inactive post' where all & sundry government officials get assigned to do nothing while still getting paid?