Trump clashes with sports world over player protests, invitation

[habanero]

2 hours ago, USPatriot said:

Blaming Trump how funny and uneducated it happened during Obama.  Oh wait you think it is just under Trump what a joke

I know. People on here blaming Trump for this controversy. It all began under Obama's watch.....................How soon we forget or choose to ignore.. 

Edited September 26, 2017 by habanero

[iReason]

2 hours ago, habanero said:

The NFL and its teams are privately owned.  They are not constrained by the principles of the First Amendment. 

 

And Roger Goodell the Commissioner of the National Football League and the NFL owners supported the protests.

 

What else ya got?

[iReason]

1 hour ago, amvet said:

Hillary tried to make the last election about race and gender bias but blacks didn't vote.  The 7-percentage-point decline from the previous presidential election is the largest on record for blacks. Blacks did not come out and vote for Hillary.  Now everybody who didn't vote has a case of guilt feelings and is trying to use other avenues to attempt change like football stadiums. 

The time to change leaders is during elections in the voting booth not at football games when big dumb guys are supposed to run around in tight pants and butt heads. 

Get over it.  You all lost and the media is trying to stir up a frenzy for ratings and you are dumb enough to buy it. 

The time for change is the next election not the next sports contest. 

 

But, but, but, Hillary...

Once again the dwindling minority of parroting acolytes are in a frenzy,

and display their obsession with the winner of the popular vote.

 

They are consumed by this fact.

They weakly seize every opportunity to inject their anxiousness into any thread.

 

Get over it.

[klikster]

11 hours ago, amvet said:

If a soldier does not stand and salute the flag at appropriate times he is put in jail.  Bet everyone stands at the Army Navy football game. 

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=27jHNLHGzOo

 

I served from '62 - '65 and honestly don't remember saluting the flag very often, although my memory of those years is selectively sketchy. In a military formation, you perform as ordered.

 

If you really are a US vet, you should know ..

 

1 - The oath you take requires you to obey all lawful orders.

2 - The Army/Navy game is played by academy cadets who have taken that same oath -- and would catch holy hell if they erred.

[iReason]

1 hour ago, amvet said:

It has nothing to do with football or the National Anthem. 

 

Nor does Hillary, or the protests.

 

It's all in the Nationalist's minds.

 

 

[boomerangutang]

Of course elections are important, and everyone who is eligible to vote should get informed and vote.  However, that doesn't mean they should sit on their hands between elections and do nothing.  

 

The US has a rich history of peaceful demonstrations. Professional sports players, among many other Americans, are partaking in that trend, and exercising their right to peaceful protest.  

 

I would venture to say the same of the skinheads at Charlottesville.  They too have a right to peaceful protests.  The key word is 'peaceful.'   

 

               However, those of us who dig deeper, are finding that white-supremacists are funding their movements by, among other things, robbing armored cars.   Yes, more than once in recent years (look up 'Ukiah'), white supremacist organizations have used automatic weapons to rob banks and armored bank vehicles.  More than a few security people have died in those incidents.

 

             Why isn't Trump concerned about such things?  Instead, he's making a great big deal about some sportsmen kneeling during a 3 minute song.

[iReason]

43 minutes ago, FreddieRoyle said:

It is essentially an overt display of black supremacy which is very divisive.

Hyperbolic, bombastic blather.

 

43 minutes ago, FreddieRoyle said:

Hope Trump comes down hard on these team owners, I can think of a few ways he can do this - threats to look into their tax returns with a telescope for starters

We know who's tax returns are being reviewed for money-laundering, fraud and tax-evasion as we speak.

Ouch!

[iReason]

 

38 minutes ago, habanero said:

People on here blaming Trump for this controversy. It all began under Obama's watch

But, but, but, Hillary, But, but, but, Obama.

 

38 minutes ago, habanero said:

How soon we forget or choose to ignore.. 

[amvet]

5 minutes ago, iReason said:

 

Nor does Hillary, or the protests.

 

It's all in the Nationalist's minds.

 

They are protesting the guy who beat Hillary and is now President.  Why did you think black athletes are disrespecting the American National Anthem.  (Not my Anthem)  Same reason they had race riots at Long Binh during the Vietnam war.   Black people are opportunistic when it comes to protests and will jump on any bandwagon that happens to be passing by.  They have many legitimate complaints and it is understandable that they protest.  They want equality without responsibility - so do we all. 

[inThailand]

What would happen to you if you went to work and decided to email your views on the shooting to all the company's customers?

 

These football players are on the job when on the field, they can express their views outside of the workplace.

[LannaGuy]

34 minutes ago, iReason said:

 

And Roger Goodell the Commissioner of the National Football League and the NFL owners supported the protests.

 

What else ya got?

 

Roger Goodell, salary 45m, will do as he's TOLD  BTW more players didn't do it than did but you don't mention that in your normal PC daily postings

[iReason]

7 minutes ago, amvet said:

They are protesting the guy who beat Hillary and is now President.

See post #213

 

7 minutes ago, amvet said:

Why did you think black athletes are disrespecting the American National Anthem

They aren't.

 

8 minutes ago, amvet said:

Black people are opportunistic when it comes to protests and will jump on any bandwagon that happens to be passing by

Ignorance personified.

[iReason]

8 minutes ago, inThailand said:

What would happen to you if you went to work and decided to email your views on the shooting to all the company's customers?

These football players are on the job when on the field, they can express their views outside of the workplace.

 

See post #212.

[LannaGuy]

Just now, iReason said:

See post #213

 

They aren't.

 

Ignorance personified.

Don't let any facts spoil your diatribe

[amvet]

2 minutes ago, iReason said:

 

See post #212.

The numbers of posts change as posts are removed.  So post #212 may be seeable or may have nothing to do with the discussion.  So kind of silly to post numbers eh?

[boomerangutang]

Q: How many people have American black activists killed in the past 20 years?  I don't know, but the number could be zero.

 

In contrast, how many people have members of American white supremacist groups killed ?  estimate: 77.  Here's a partial list.

 

slate.com/blogs/the_slatest/2015/06/18/white_extremist_murders_killed_at_least_60_in_u_s_since_1995.html

 

Comparatively, comparing Muslim terrorism with White-Supremacist terrorism in the US.....

    "A joint project by the Investigative Fund at the Nation Institute, a nonprofit media center, and Reveal from the Center for Investigative Reporting has found that within the past nine years, right-wing extremists plotted or carried out nearly twice as many terrorist attacks as Islamist extremists. Of the 115 right-wing incidents, police only foiled 35 percent. Compare this to the 63 Islamist terrorism cases, where police foiled 76 percent of the planned attacks."

"Right-wing extremists were not only more successful, they were often more deadly, too. From 2008 to 2016, a third of right-wing attacks involved fatalities, compared to 13 percent of Islamist attacks. It should be noted, however, that Islamist extremists killed more people overall, with a death toll of 90 people compared to 79."

 

the above two paragraphs were taken from 
newsweek.com/right-wing-extremism-islamist-terrorism-donald-trump-steve-bannon-628381

[iReason]

8 minutes ago, LannaGuy said:

Roger Goodell, salary 45m, will do as he's TOLD

Salary irrelevent and a display of bitter envy.

And just making things up.

No, wait, are you saying he was told to support the team's postests? By whom?

This is getting interesting... a conspiracy...

 

8 minutes ago, LannaGuy said:

BTW more players didn't do it than did but you don't mention that in your normal PC daily postings

Irrelevent. See post #212.

 

11 minutes ago, LannaGuy said:

your normal PC daily postings

Typical myopic, marginalizing by the acolytes.

Also, Irrelevent.

[amvet]

6 minutes ago, iReason said:

See post #213

 

They aren't.

 

Ignorance personified.

The Civil War was about States Rights and slavery was an add on to keep Europe out of the war.  See what I mean?  Civil war 1861.  Slaves freed only in Southern States 1863.  2 year difference. 

 

Like I posted above which you chose to ignore, " Blacks have many legitimate complaints and it is understandable that they protest."  

 

Football players want to protest about treatment of black folks.  I get it.  So does the rest of America. 

[iReason]

10 minutes ago, amvet said:

The numbers of posts change as posts are removed.  So post #212 may be seeable or may have nothing to do with the discussion.  So kind of silly to post numbers eh?

 

Roger Goodell the Commissioner of the National Football League and the NFL owners supported the protests.

 

What else ya got?

[iReason]

17 minutes ago, LannaGuy said:

Don't let any facts spoil your diatribe

 

Don't let my post send you off on an unrelated tangential rant on Black Lives Matter...

[amvet]

3 minutes ago, iReason said:

 

Roger Goodell the Commissioner of the National Football League and the NFL owners supported the protests.

 

What else ya got?

The owners by and large are a white, conservative group of billionaires, several of them big-dollar donors to President Trump. They have generally discouraged their players, about three quarters of whom are African-American, from anything that overshadows throwing passes and making tackles.

 

The public demonstration of unity and support may be short-lived.

 

The owners’ decision to go with the players at least this time struck some as a fallback to protecting the league brand. League executives, however, said they had minimal involvement in the owners’ or players’ actions.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/09/25/sports/nfl-owners-unity-protests.html?mcubz=3

 

 

 

[LannaGuy]

1 minute ago, iReason said:

 

Don't let my post send you off on an unrelated tangential rant on Black Lives Matter...

Yup the facts don't fit so just divert as usual

[Stargeezr]

Hey!  TRump is getting American people to do something together again, even if it is against him  and his narrow thinking. The Twitter champion President is still creating

turmoil in America. God Bless America, the population there needs all the help they can get. Also some guidance in how not to vote in the next President..

Geezer

[LannaGuy]

7 minutes ago, iReason said:

 

Roger Goodell the Commissioner of the National Football League and the NFL owners supported the protests.

 

What else ya got?

 

12 minutes ago, iReason said:

Salary irrelevent and a display of bitter envy.

And just making things up.

No, wait, are you saying he was told to support the team's postests? By whom?

This is getting interesting... a conspiracy...

 

Irrelevent. See post #212.

 

Typical myopic, marginalizing by the acolytes.

Also, Irrelevent.

 

It's irrelevant that most players didn't do it?  this is just histrionics by millionaire players so why the highlighting of this minor event?  oh wait... it feeds your bias I almost forgot!

[iReason]

13 minutes ago, amvet said:

Like I posted above which you chose to ignore,

" Blacks have many legitimate complaints and it is understandable that they protest." 

You should have stopped there.

But, you were compelled to list your primary opinion and judgement first. (seen below)

 

I ignored your touching caveat to this drivel:

 

28 minutes ago,  amvet said: 

Black people are opportunistic when it comes to protests and will jump on any bandwagon that happens to be passing by

[iReason]

17 minutes ago, amvet said:

The owners by and large are a white, conservative group of billionaires, several of them big-dollar donors to President Trump. They have generally discouraged their players, about three quarters of whom are African-American, from anything that overshadows throwing passes and making tackles.

 

The public demonstration of unity and support may be short-lived.

 

The owners’ decision to go with the players at least this time struck some as a fallback to protecting the league brand. League executives, however, said they had minimal involvement in the owners’ or players’ actions.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/09/25/sports/nfl-owners-unity-protests.html?mcubz=3

 

NYTimes? Well done. 

Good to see that you are ignoring the gibberish from the occupier of the White House and are reading it. 

 

From your link:

"It is certainly true that some owners, most notably Arthur M. Blank of the Atlanta Falcons and Stephen M. Ross of the Miami Dolphins, have tried through charitable work to address the many thorny problems around racism, poverty and policing."

 

"It took a rebuke from Mr. Trump to compel many of them to choose between remaining silent or publicly siding with the players."

 

"Jerry Jones, the owner of the Dallas Cowboys, keeping with his preference for dramatic flourishes, went further than any other owner when he knelt with his team before the national anthem for his team’s game with the Cardinals in Glendale, Ariz."

[iReason]

22 minutes ago, LannaGuy said:

Yup the facts don't fit so just divert as usual

 

Facts as related to the thread topic?

I don't see them.

 

Please feel free to elaborate.

[farq]

On 25/09/2017 at 8:06 AM, inThailand said:

No one is forcing you to sing or place your hand on your heart. Just stand with your hat off to show respect. You can still show respect even if you don't agree.

Why would anybody wish to show "respect" to an entity that only wants to control your every move, in a police state and by removing your rights under the constitution? Take a knee!!

[Somtamnication]

Trump's mouth can generate so  much electricity with its movements. Seriously, the yanks are doomed with this guy. 

[amvet]

7 minutes ago, iReason said:

 

NYTimes? Well done. 

Good to see that you are ignoring the gibberish from the occupier of the White House and are reading it. 

 

From your link:

"It is certainly true that some owners, most notably Arthur M. Blank of the Atlanta Falcons and Stephen M. Ross of the Miami Dolphins, have tried through charitable work to address the many thorny problems around racism, poverty and policing."

 

"It took a rebuke from Mr. Trump to compel many of them to choose between remaining silent or publicly siding with the players."

 

"Jerry Jones, the owner of the Dallas Cowboys, keeping with his preference for dramatic flourishes, went further than any other owner when he knelt with his team before the national anthem for his team’s game with the Cardinals in Glendale, Ariz."

You didn't mention that Jerry Jones (from Arkansas) and his whole team stood for the American National Anthem.  That was stood not knelt.  Then knelt before the Anthem and then stood up to show respect to America while the Anthem was played.