Visa Exemption Cancelled at border

[jackdd]

10 minutes ago, free123 said:

I think you would be the first and only candidate for the no mans land residency  the first citizen of the friendship bridge

I think friendship bridge is a shitty place to stay, but at some other borders it would probably be ok

But actually JackThompson answered what would happen in the two situations that i was wondering about

Is it possible to stay in no mans land over night or do they kick you out in the evening and force you to get a visa for one of the countries?

[jeab1980]

3 minutes ago, jackdd said:

I think friendship bridge is a shitty place to stay, but at some other borders it would probably be ok

But actually JackThompson answered what would happen in the two situations that i was wondering about

Is it possible to stay in no mans land over night or do they kick you out in the evening and force you to get a visa for one of the countries?

But who would have jurisdiction to come and kick you off? 

[ubonjoe]

10 minutes ago, jeab1980 said:

But who would have jurisdiction to come and kick you off? 

I call recall a case of a guy that got stuck on the bridge for few hours because he had less than 6 months left on his passport. He went back and forth a few times until the bridge was almost ready to close and Thai immigration relented and let him re-enter the country.

[elviajero]

39 minutes ago, jeab1980 said:

But who would have jurisdiction to come and kick you off? 

Either country could take the person in to custody.

[elviajero]

33 minutes ago, ubonjoe said:

I call recall a case of a guy that got stuck on the bridge for few hours because he had less than 6 months left on his passport. He went back and forth a few times until the bridge was almost ready to close and Thai immigration relented and let him re-enter the country.

I seem to recall that, in the end, Thailand formally denied entry so that Laos had to take him back, but maybe that was a different case.

[jeab1980]

32 minutes ago, elviajero said:

Either country could take the person in to custody.

I would doubt that very much.  Maybe with express permision of the other countries goverment. But even then it could  quickly become a diplomatic incident. Arresting someone on foriegn soil.  But i susspect it would never come to that. 

Edited October 7, 2017 by jeab1980

[elviajero]

7 minutes ago, jeab1980 said:

I would doubt that very much.  Maybe with express permision of the other countries goverment. But even then itbvould quickly become a diplomatic incident

Nonsense. If someone is legally refused permission to enter Thailand, having legally left Laos, then it is Laos' obligation to take them back, and vice versa. If that person refuses to return, it is the countries right to detain them until the situation is resolved. If someone decided to hang around on the bridge through choice they could be taken in to custody (look up the meaning) by either country until the situation was resolved.

 

I'm certain that the area between the Thai and Laos passport controls is not classed as a 'no mans land' as the border between the two countries is agreed and defined in the river.  So at some point, when crossing the bridge, you actually cross into the other country even though you haven't formally passed through immigration.

[sanemax]

1 minute ago, elviajero said:

So at some point, when crossing the bridge, you actually cross into the other country even though you haven't formally passed through immigration.

There are Thai flags along the bridge and from the middle , the flags change to Laos flags

[jeab1980]

10 minutes ago, elviajero said:

Nonsense. If someone is legally refused permission to enter Thailand, having legally left Laos, then it is Laos' obligation to take them back, and vice versa. If that person refuses to return, it is the countries right to detain them until the situation is resolved. If someone decided to hang around on the bridge through choice they could be taken in to custody (look up the meaning) by either country until the situation was resolved.

 

I'm certain that the area between the Thai and Laos passport controls is not classed as a 'no mans land' as the border between the two countries is agreed and defined in the river.  So at some point, when crossing the bridge, you actually cross into the other country even though you haven't formally passed through immigration.

Its always nonesense according to you no matter of other peoples opinions. Should have left you blocked more fool me but thats easily rectified.  If the river is the defined border where on the banks if so there is a no mans land the bridge between the two banks. There will always be a definative countries boundary and a space between the two as such. 

No its not quite as simple as you make out.  Someone gets thrown out blacklisted from Thailand at the border.  Lao refuse to accept him so you rekon Thailand is going to take them back.  Dont think so. Now off to the dark room you go. 

[jackdd]

What elviajero says sounds reasonable to me and would probably happen in most cases. Probably on the bridge is somewhere a line (maybe not a real line) which is the actual border, so you are always either in the one or the other country (If you have one foot in each country they probably just wouldn't care and push/pull you over)

 

Of course there are edge cases as the one jeab1980 mentioned. Another would be: What would happen if your passport gets stolen (or falls in the river ;)) while in this area. But it's impossible to assume what would happen in these cases. Anybody wants to volunteer and willing to throw his passport in the river?

[elviajero]

1 hour ago, jeab1980 said:

If the river is the defined border where on the banks if so there is a no mans land the bridge between the two banks.

The border is more or less in the centre of the river, not on the river banks (look at a map).

 

1 hour ago, jeab1980 said:

There will always be a definative countries boundary and a space between the two as such. 

A space between immigration points is usual, but there is rarely a space between the boundaries of two countries.

 

1 hour ago, jeab1980 said:

No its not quite as simple as you make out.  Someone gets thrown out blacklisted from Thailand at the border.  Lao refuse to accept him so you rekon Thailand is going to take them back.  Dont think so.

No I don't reckon that! You are now changing the discussion. There are protocols for deporting ("gets thrown out") someone from a country. Thailand would only be able to deport a Laos national back to Laos via the bridge. They can only deport someone to the country of their nationality, or a country that agrees to take the deportee. Being denied entry, which was the original discussion, is entirely different, and Laos are obligated to take the person back. Laos can then let the person back in to Laos or detain them while they are processed for return to their country of nationality. I don't know of any powers that border IO's have to "blacklist" anyone.

 

 

 

Edited October 7, 2017 by elviajero

[saakura]

3 hours ago, ubonjoe said:

I call recall a case of a guy that got stuck on the bridge for few hours because he had less than 6 months left on his passport. He went back and forth a few times until the bridge was almost ready to close and Thai immigration relented and let him re-enter the country.

Similar thing happened to me about 20yrs ago and i was stuck in no mans land after departing Lithuania but refused entry into Latvia. And Lithuania would not take me back as the visa was used up. Had to spend the freezing November night outside. And no gsm mobile phones those days. Fortunately i was travelling on company work to attend to an emergency and things moved quickly in the morning and i was escorted by the Latvian officials after apologies.

[Just Weird]

Why are so many posters referring to "no mans land"?  That place dos not exist; it is, in this case, either Thailand or Laos.  If it was no mans land you could do what you like there, neither Thailand not Laos would have jurisdiction.  Commit a serious enough offence in No Man's Land and you'll soon find out exactly who it belongs to!

 

The positioning of the Immigration offices is not an indication of the exact border.

[BritTim]

4 hours ago, jackdd said:

What would happen if your passport gets stolen (or falls in the river ;)) while in this area.

Believe it or not, there are conventions as to what is supposed to happen even in cases like this. The general rule is that if someone cannot legally enter another country, they should be returned to the last port of embarkation, escorted if necessary. On reentry, you need to get a report and temporary papers from immigration. (One of the reasons for the 'last port of embarkation' rule is that they will have your details.) Depending on the situation, you may then be detained (and your embassy informed) or you may be allowed to travel to your embassy independently to sort things out. I will not dispute that some borders might not operate that way, especially where serious tensions exist between the countries involved.

[novo58]

Just a small side point to this discussion ...the 3 times I have used friendship bridge at nong khai.....you had to take the bus across the bridge . I have NEVER seen anyone walking over the bridge..................and I wouldnt want to in the northern thai heat and humidity. from I/o booths to I/O booths must be at least 1.5 - 2 km. And just for anyone else that is commenting here but has NEVER actually been there.....it is VERY VERY easy to just walk in, completley bypassing the I/O booths if you so desire.

[ChouDoufu]

there is a walkway on the nong khai bridge, separated from traffic by

a ~1meter concrete barrier.  would need to climb over the barrier

to get onto the walkway, also there are signs on the bridge about

halfway across (photo) completely blocking the walkway, so would have to climb over the barrier again to get around them.

 

bicycled across from laos, border guards approved.  narrow bridge,

large tour buses, so cycled mostly on the walkway.

[BritTim]

1 hour ago, ChouDoufu said:

there is a walkway on the nong khai bridge, separated from traffic by

a ~1meter concrete barrier.  would need to climb over the barrier

to get onto the walkway, also there are signs on the bridge about

halfway across (photo) completely blocking the walkway, so would have to climb over the barrier again to get around them.

 

bicycled across from laos, border guards approved.  narrow bridge,

large tour buses, so cycled mostly on the walkway.

I have read contradictory accounts as to whether walking across the bridge is allowed. Thank you for your contribution.

In the right weather,, I could imagine it being a pleasant walk if allowed.

[jeab1980]

6 minutes ago, BritTim said:

I have read contradictory accounts as to whether walking across the bridge is allowed. Thank you for your contribution.

In the right weather,, I could imagine it being a pleasant walk if allowed.

Ive seen many people on the lao side walking on there. Have oftern thought of having a wander up for some good pictures.