Win10 slow to restart but fast to boot?

[WorriedNoodle]

Hi,

 

I have Win10 Home ver 1703 upgraded from Win7 that came with PC when new.

 

If I choose Start Shut Down then press laptop power on key and can complete whole process back to desktop within 1 minute.

 

However if I choose Start Restart the whole process takes almost 6 minutes to get back to desktop.

 

Can anyone point to reason for the big difference and what is wrong with Restart option?

 

Cheers

[lopburi3]

Suspect has something to do with write of the file of exactly what is happening on computer at time of restart so that it can get back to same exact setup, and following that file during restart taking more time than shut off and start from scratch.

[Peterw42]

It sounds like the difference between a power off shut-down, Hibernation or sleep. Lots of settings in windows that determine if "shutdown" means hibernation/sleep or power off. Often a tap of the power key or "start/shutdown is putting the computer into hibernation.  Start/restart or a long press (1-2 secs) of the power key does a power off reboot.

 

It sounds like shut-down puts your PC into hibernation and the pwr key wakes it up again. Any programs like a browser or word etc will reload. A reboot will come back to a clean desktop and programs need to be restarted.

 

[WorriedNoodle]

 

3 hours ago, Peterw42 said:

It sounds like the difference between a power off shut-down, Hibernation or sleep

 

I am only ever using Power off afaik which is what I want. The issue seems to be related to whether I have "fast start up (recommended)" turned on or off. If off then power off takes a long time of several minutes without explanation or warning messages and power on is less than a minute. This seems to be about the same time it takes the Start Restart option to work if I have "fast start up (recommended)" turned on or off. In other words Start Restart is just as slow either way. 

 

3 hours ago, lopburi3 said:

Suspect has something to do with write of the file of exactly what is happening on computer at time of restart

Yes, I am thinking the same. I cannot see any processes (using msconfig) that seem strange. I will just live with it I guess and always power off and never restart, only problem is when installed a piece of new software that wants to restart for me takes a while.

 

I have had this o/s for about 6 years now and upgraded from Win7 that came with PC new and never done a fresh install, so maybe getting time for a clean Windows install one day!

[scottiejohn]

1. Do you have shut down, restart, Hibernate and Sleep available on the power button or just 2 or 3 of those 4 buttons?

 

2. Have you checked that all your WIN 10 updates are fully installing,  and not hanging (You said you upgraded from an old Win7 system, if so if you have some legacy MS Office programmes in the background Win 10 hangs on update!) Check you update report in settings.and check your system is fully "activated"!

 

[RichCor]

Windows 8 (FastBoot) and Windows 10 (Fast Startup) on Shutdown saves the operating system state to a hibernation file to allow your computer boot up faster as the boot environment doesn't need to load back in and assembled file by file. So, essentially, some time is spent at shutdown to save time at startup.

 

When you restart, it's usually because you want/need to clear/reset a segment of the operating environment so everything gets loaded and assembled file by file to build that new environment. 

 

see:

The Pros and Cons of Windows 10’s “Fast Startup” Mode
by Walter Glenn on March 3rd, 2016

Edited October 10, 2017 by RichCor
to add url explaining it all

[WorriedNoodle]

18 hours ago, scottiejohn said:

1. Do you have shut down, restart, Hibernate and Sleep available on the power button or just 2 or 3 of those 4 buttons?

 

2. Have you checked that all your WIN 10 updates are fully installing,  and not hanging (You said you upgraded from an old Win7 system, if so if you have some legacy MS Office programmes in the background Win 10 hangs on update!) Check you update report in settings.and check your system is fully "activated"!

1. All except Hibernate, because Hibernate is checked off in the power settings on Win10.

2. Yes, all up to date and activated. Nothing reported as hanging. Using latest Office 2016 also.

[WorriedNoodle]

18 hours ago, RichCor said:

Windows 10 (Fast Startup) on Shutdown saves the operating system state to a hibernation file ...

When you restart, it's usually because you want/need to clear/reset a segment of the operating environment so everything gets loaded and assembled file by file to build that new environment. 

Thanks for that info. The restart takes 5 minutes, and fast startup less than a minute to desktop or less than 30 seconds to logon screen - using an SSD drive.

[scottiejohn]

4 hours ago, WorriedNoodle said:

1. All except Hibernate, because Hibernate is checked off in the power settings on Win10.

2. Yes, all up to date and activated. Nothing reported as hanging. Using latest Office 2016 also.

1. You have knocked my two possible theories on the head! ( Nothing to do with your problem but if you do want the hibernate function in addition to Shut/Restart/Sleep head to Settings/Power/Additional power settings/what power buttons do/settings that are currently unavailable and check the hibernation option)

2. When you shut down do you get any messages regarding any programmes delaying/preventing shutdown?

3. Just before you shut down with all known applications closed have you looked at task manager to see if anything is either running (there should be nothing) or anything taking up a lot of CPU/RAM?

[RichCor]

4 hours ago, WorriedNoodle said:

Thanks for that info. The restart takes 5 minutes, and fast startup less than a minute to desktop or less than 30 seconds to logon screen - using an SSD drive.

Hmm.  Those stats are around the same for my i3 laptop running a conventional boot HD,  and your SSD should be much faster ...unless your system is tasked with loading additional or larger driver files, security suite middle-ware and other startup files. 

 

If you want, Task Manager Startup (tab) will display crude 'Startup Impact' 

 

High impact – Apps that use more than 1 second of CPU time or more than 3 MB of disk I/O at startup
Medium impact – Apps that use 300 ms – 1000 ms of CPU time or 300 KB – 3 MB of disk I/O
Low impact – Apps that use less than 300 ms of CPU time and less than 300 KB of disk I/O
None - for entries that are disabled
Not measured - for entries pointing to a missing file, or those that haven’t clocked a single run yet, via Startup

 

Also, Windows runs a boot trace every time you start your computer, the results of which are stored in a event trace file named “Bootckcl.etl” located in the C:\Windows\System32\WDI\LogFiles directory.  There are applications like Windows Performance Analyzer (link has 'how to get started' videos') that can slurp the boot log file and show you details of your boot process ...but it may be dropping you into more details than you wanted.

[WorriedNoodle]

19 hours ago, RichCor said:

Task Manager Startup (tab) will display crude 'Startup Impact' 

Thanks. I checked that and there seem to be 5 x High Impact start ups that I probably need anyway. They are Dropbox, The AMD control center, Logitech Mouse options, Rainmeter and ObjectDock. I tried turning them off but it made no difference to the slow restart time, so I turned them on again.

 

Also to answer scottiejohn there are no unusual memory hogs or restart messages to give me a clue as why this happens.

 

I installed Win10 on a virtual machine on the same PC and restart times are normal under 1 minute with no high impact start up listed at all, just MS Defender and Microsoft Drive. 

 

I have never 'slurped' a boot log before, don't even know what that means(!), but may give it a try later.

 

Thanks for all the feedback guys.

[bendejo]

I have Win 10 Home Edition and sometimes when I reboot it freezes. It probably has something to do with using grub for multi-booting (the Win partition is the default), or some confusion in my laptop about whether to use it's internal monitor or my flat-panel HDMI monitor.  Never happened when I start from off.  I don't know why and I'm not curious enough to fix it.  Life's too short.

 

 

[jenny2017]

If you don't want to continue with it, you can Reset your PC.

 

      Of course will you have to put on some programs, but it would definitely fix the issue. 

[jenny2017]

On 10/14/2017 at 3:34 AM, bendejo said:

I have Win 10 Home Edition and sometimes when I reboot it freezes. It probably has something to do with using grub for multi-booting (the Win partition is the default), or some confusion in my laptop about whether to use it's internal monitor or my flat-panel HDMI monitor.  Never happened when I start from off.  I don't know why and I'm not curious enough to fix it.  Life's too short.

 

 

I've got an older PC attached to a smart TV and experience strange behaviour when the HDMI cable is attached. I was already so close to do a reinstall with macrium but then I pulled the HDMI and the thingy booted normal.