Water In Fuel -Try To Burn it or Siphon it?

[canthai55]

1 hour ago, bazza73 said:

Straight gasoline has small traces of water in it. Gasoline with any level of ethanol addition automatically has water in it.

That's because pure ethanol, otherwise known as absolute alcohol, has to be prepared by azeotropic distillation. The ethanol that is added to gasoline is manufactured by conventional distillation, and forms the azeotrope 95% ethanol: 5% water. So the E85 sold at pumps around Thailand contains a minimum of

0.75% water.

Nice to read from someone, on this forum, on any subject, who actually knows what they are talking about.

[papa al]

3 hours ago, bazza73 said:

Straight gasoline has small traces of water in it. Gasoline with any level of ethanol addition automatically has water in it.

That's because pure ethanol, otherwise known as absolute alcohol, has to be prepared by azeotropic distillation. The ethanol that is added to gasoline is manufactured by conventional distillation, and forms the azeotrope 95% ethanol: 5% water. So the E85 sold at pumps around Thailand contains a minimum of

0.75% water.

Well then, your math sucks:

.05 x .85 = 4.25% 

not 0.75 %

.

[papa al]

2 hours ago, canthai55 said:

Nice to read from someone, on this forum, on any subject, who actually knows what they are talking about.

That would be nice.

[rosst]

On 21/10/2017 at 9:35 AM, Pukehina1 said:

An old school way of absorbing water is use Methylated Spirits .... tip in half a litre shake tank to mix leave overnight No engine problems ... 

Quite correct, remove the fuel hose at the tap after turning it off, connect another piece of hose and turn the tap to reserve, that is the lowest part of the tank and drain the tank into a large clear bottle.  After draining, let it settle and carefully pour the fuel floating on top of the water back into the tank with about 13 ozs of methylated spirits and ride as normal till tank is low before refilling with fresh fuel. 

[bazza73]

3 hours ago, papa al said:

Well then, your math sucks:

.05 x .85 = 4.25% 

not 0.75 %

.

You're right. I was assuming E85 is 15% ethanol, 85% hydrocarbon. My math didn't suck, my initial assumption did. Happy now?

[AllanB]

Well after all the nonsensical postings on this thread, I fear the OP may now be shitting himself by now. Hopefully he will apply a little logic and not worry about a few drops of water in the fuel and simply see how the bike runs. If a serious and continuous misfire occurs that you cannot live with, or if the bike refuses to start, drain the tank and refill. If not enjoy your biking and be a little more careful with your hosepipe.

 

It might be worth visiting Youtube to learn a little about these engines:-

 

 

You will see that there is no monitoring of the fuel condition, so anything in the system will simply pass through, if the engine is able to keep running. The only medium monitored related to the running of the engine. is air. Atmospheric pressure and content.

 

Fuel flow is monitored on some engines, but that is used purely for fuel consumption indication.  

Edited October 22, 2017 by AllanB

[bazza73]

39 minutes ago, AllanB said:

Well after all the nonsensical postings on this thread, I fear the OP may now be shitting himself by now. Hopefully he will apply a little logic and not worry about a few drops of water in the fuel and simply see how the bike runs. If a serious and continuous misfire occurs that you cannot live with, or if the bike refuses to start, drain the tank and refill. If not enjoy your biking and be a little more careful with your hosepipe.

 

It might be worth visiting Youtube to learn a little about these engines:-

 

 

You will see that there is no monitoring of the fuel condition, so anything in the system will simply pass through, if the engine is able to keep running. The only medium monitored related to the running of the engine. is air. Atmospheric pressure and content.

 

Fuel flow is monitored on some engines, but that is used purely for fuel consumption indication.  

While your post is very educational, may I point out the OP considered his problem solved by post 12 on the first page.

[tweedledee2]

    Some posters have stated that all gasoline has water in it. Water may become suspended in fossil-based fuels by agitation or mixing. but being that water molecules are heavier they will eventually gather at the lowest point underneath. Water does not burn in an internal combustion engine, it only vaporizes by the heat generated during the fuel burning process. On a carbureted engine, it only takes 1 drop a water in the fuel bowl to block fuel passing through the needle valve seat. On fuel injected engines, water can damage the entire fuel delivery system.                On to the subject of water injection. Injecting vaporized water or a water-alcohol mix into a turbocharged internal combustion engine reduces the incoming air temperature, resulting in a cooler and denser fuel charge, which produces more horsepower.  In high compression engines, It can also eliminate pre-detonation engine damage and reduce internal engine component temperatures. It is not used to produce steam.               

[Naam]

On 10/21/2017 at 6:27 AM, papa al said:

choose 3. & 1.

kinda

Fill it with E10 gasohol;

the10%ETOL 

will dissolve the HOH.

 

Go for a long ride.

Farang worry too mut.

who or what is HOH?

[papa al]

1 hour ago, Naam said:

who or what is HOH?

Hint:

Two molecules of hydrogen,

one of oxygen.

[bazza73]

4 minutes ago, papa al said:

Hint:

Two molecules of hydrogen,

one of oxygen.

Normally expressed as H2O, but I guess you're a chemical engineer. Perhaps you know the definition of a chemical engineer - too smart to be an engineer, too dumb to be a chemist.

[RichCor]

4 minutes ago, bazza73 said:

11 minutes ago, papa al said:

1 hour ago, Naam said:

who or what is HOH?

Hint:

Two molecules of hydrogen,

one of oxygen.

Normally expressed as H2O, but I guess you're a chemical engineer. Perhaps you know the definition of a chemical engineer - too smart to be an engineer, too dumb to be a chemist.

 

HOH is the way it's expressed when playing with the tinkertoy model.  

[Naam]

1 hour ago, papa al said:

2 hours ago, Naam said:

who or what is HOH?

Hint:

Two molecules of hydrogen,

one of oxygen.

hint: the correct scientific expression for the liquid known as "water" is H2O not HOH 

[ubonjoe]

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