EU's Tusk says 'good deal' or 'no deal' on Brexit up to London

[webfact]

EU's Tusk says 'good deal' or 'no deal' on Brexit up to London

 

European Council President Donald Tusk looks on during a news conference at a European Union leaders summit in Brussels, Belgium October 20, 2017. REUTERS/Dario Pignatelli

 

BRUSSELS (Reuters) - European Council President Donald Tusk said on Tuesday that it was up to Britain to determine if there was to be a good deal or no deal in Brexit talks.

 

"We have managed to build and maintain unity among the 27, but ahead of us is still the toughest stress test. If we fail it, the negotiations will end in our defeat. We must keep our unity regardless of the direction of the talks.

 

The EU will be able to rise to every scenario as long as we are not divided," Tusk, who chairs summits of EU leaders, told the European Parliament.

 

"It is in fact up to London how this will end, with a good deal, no deal or no Brexit but in each of these scenarios we will protect our common interests only by being together," he said.

 

(Reporting by Philip Blenkinsop; editing by Robert-Jan Bartunek)

 

-- © Copyright Reuters 2017-10-24

[Guest]

1 hour ago, webfact said:

"It is in fact up to London how this will end, with a good deal, no deal or no Brexit but in each of these scenarios we will protect our common interests only by being together," he said.

Oh? Is it up to UK to have no Brexit? That sounds like keeping the door still wide open for UK to get back to EU, on their way out. 

 

I guess that's a possibility given by EU side, but how realistic it is at this point anymore?

 

 

[Grouse]

Tusk actually said good deal, no deal or no Brexit (poor headline)

 

Very reasonable

 

Obviously the best way forward is no brexit and negotiate change from within with changed circumstances

 

However the slavering Komodo wing of the nasty party never wanted a deal anyway. They can get richer in an offshore tax haven with slave labour, no environmental regulation and insanitary American meat.

 

But that's just my opinion ?

 

Oh oh, Tory whip approaching!

 

Edited October 24, 2017 by Grouse

[RickBradford]

Yanis Varoufakis had it right when he said that the EU does not negotiate in good faith.

 

They (according to his experience during the Greek bailout) bounce you around from department to council to meeting to commission to department, claiming that nobody has the authority to okay an agreement, they renege on commitments, maliciously leak information, humiliate people personally, withhold documents and all the rest of it.

 

All they want to do now is punish the UK for having the temerity to oppose their pet European project, and unfortunately, nobody in the UK government has the intelligence or the albondigas to effectively deal with them.

 

Brexit will be a disaster; that doesn't mean it was the wrong decision, just that it has been badly handled.

 

The EU is like Doberman dogshit on the bottom of your best shoes -- all over the place, invasive, clinging, hard to dislodge and with an unpleasant smell.

[Guest]

1 hour ago, RickBradford said:

Brexit will be a disaster; that doesn't mean it was the wrong decision, just that it has been badly handled.

For EU Brexit is removing the left leg which had a severe cold bite, leading to necrosis. In these situations, there here are decisions to be made. 

[nabbie]

No deal or forget Brexit are better choice.

Edited October 25, 2017 by nabbie

[phantomfiddler]

A good deal for who ? Obviously the Eu is going to do everything it can to punish U.K. in order to dissuade other countries from following suit. We never should have gone into it, but pleeeeeease keep going with the exit. It will be worth it in the long run :)

[BuaBS]

22 hours ago, webfact said:

If we fail it, the negotiations will end in our defeat.

Let's hope so !

 

22 hours ago, webfact said:

The EU will be able to rise to every scenario as long as we are not divided,"

Divided we stand , united we fall .

[taipeir]

 

 

 

 

Yanis Varoufakis had it right when he said that the EU does not negotiate in good faith.  

They (according to his experience during the Greek bailout) bounce you around from department to council to meeting to commission to department, claiming that nobody has the authority to okay an agreement, they renege on commitments, maliciously leak information, humiliate people personally, withhold documents and all the rest of it.

 

All they want to do now is punish the UK for having the temerity to oppose their pet European project, and unfortunately, nobody in the UK government has the intelligence or the albondigas to effectively deal with them.

 

Brexit will be a disaster; that doesn't mean it was the wrong decision, just that it has been badly handled.

 

The EU is like Doberman dogshit on the bottom of your best shoes -- all over the place, invasive, clinging, hard to dislodge and with an unpleasant smell.

 

 

Is that not the UK cabinet after a night on the town :)

 

So Brexit will be a disaster but it is just badly handled?

 

Please explain how they should Brexit but it won't be a disaster and let's see if the other 'out' supporters still believe it can be called Brexit?

 

Even the word Brexit is hopelessly simplistic.

 

The problem is not the EU and their crafty negotiating ways , the problem is there is NO CONSENSUS on the UK side of what Brexit means and there is dwindling support for Brexit all round.

 

http://uk.businessinsider.com/yougov-poll-brexit-support-new-low-2017-10

 

The dwindling support means the Tories are coming under increasing pressure to moderate their position, but the guys that are driving the talks are actually the hard Brexiteers. The wrong team. Liam Fox and Davis. However May is weak and can't even fire Johnson.

 

That's the problem for the UK .

 

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[Grouse]

12 minutes ago, taipeir said:

 

 

 

 

 

 

Is that not the UK cabinet after a night on the town :)

 

So Brexit will be a disaster but it is just badly handled?

 

Please explain how they should Brexit but it won't be a disaster and let's see if the other 'out' supporters still believe it can be called Brexit?

 

Even the word Brexit is hopelessly simplistic.

 

The problem is not the EU and their crafty negotiating ways , the problem is there is NO CONSENSUS on the UK side of what Brexit means and there is dwindling support for Brexit all round.

 

http://uk.businessinsider.com/yougov-poll-brexit-support-new-low-2017-10

 

The dwindling support means the Tories are coming under increasing pressure to moderate their position, but the guys that are driving the talks are actually the hard Brexiteers. The wrong team. Liam Fox and Davis. However May is weak and can't even fire Johnson.

 

That's the problem for the UK .

 

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Great post. People are now waking up. Late, but the coffee is on!

[RichardColeman]

Up to the UK people to have NO Brexit. Well, OK, then up to us also to pay you bugger all !!!

Edited October 25, 2017 by RichardColeman

[Grouse]

18 minutes ago, RichardColeman said:

Up to the UK people to have NO Brexit. Well, OK, then up to us also to pay you bugger all !!!

Great hat, Richard!

[Baerboxer]

19 hours ago, Grouse said:

Tusk actually said good deal, no deal or no Brexit (poor headline)

 

Very reasonable

 

Obviously the best way forward is no brexit and negotiate change from within with changed circumstances

 

However the slavering Komodo wing of the nasty party never wanted a deal anyway. They can get richer in an offshore tax haven with slave labour, no environmental regulation and insanitary American meat.

 

But that's just my opinion ?

 

Oh oh, Tory whip approaching!

 

 

Indeed. Although of course it takes two willing sides to negotiate. 

 

But I think what he really means is Britain needs to actually make up it's mind which of the three it wants - soft Brexit with all sorts of deals; hard Brexit with no deals; or to actually scrap Brexit and remain.

 

And as a nation, there isn't a clear choice. So the Tories, as usual split and driven by individual self interests, try and fuddle through the first two and the third choice would mean admitting they screwed up. Labor are clueless with their anti EU leader probably dreaming of ruling a socialist republic which would be as successful as Venezuela, Cuba or Zimbabwe. The Liberals and UKIP marginalized whilst wee Nippy north of the border is licking her wounds and hoping Catalan will declare independence and be supported by countries around the world so she could try the same. Brexit, and the EU, to her are just means to an end.

 

A buggers muddle heading towards a disaster whilst the captain and crew can't even agree on how to arrange the deck chairs on deck!

[Baerboxer]

4 hours ago, taipeir said:

 

 

 

 

 

 

Is that not the UK cabinet after a night on the town :)

 

So Brexit will be a disaster but it is just badly handled?

 

Please explain how they should Brexit but it won't be a disaster and let's see if the other 'out' supporters still believe it can be called Brexit?

 

Even the word Brexit is hopelessly simplistic.

 

The problem is not the EU and their crafty negotiating ways , the problem is there is NO CONSENSUS on the UK side of what Brexit means and there is dwindling support for Brexit all round.

 

http://uk.businessinsider.com/yougov-poll-brexit-support-new-low-2017-10

 

The dwindling support means the Tories are coming under increasing pressure to moderate their position, but the guys that are driving the talks are actually the hard Brexiteers. The wrong team. Liam Fox and Davis. However May is weak and can't even fire Johnson.

 

That's the problem for the UK .

 

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Your not far wrong about the current Tory cabinet and the sentiments now towards Brexit.

 

But RickBradford also makes valid points about how the EU operates.

 

The big issue for the UK is that the Tory's won't loose face so hang on to the "referendum result" was a one off never to be repeated and never asked again question. Which is cobblers. If the will of the electorate is to ask the question again or to change that decision then that should be respected. 

 

But the Tories will never do that. Labor are clueless and Corbyn will create the dismal economic conditions of the 70's given the chance. 

 

So unless there is a big public movement to drive action the Tories will blunder through, desperate to hang on to power and their own agendas.

[Srikcir]

17 hours ago, RickBradford said:

Yanis Varoufakis had it right when he said that the EU does not negotiate in good faith.

No, you missed completely. Yanis went to negotiations asking all or nothing. The EU said nothing then. Yanis responded by conceding to EU's original offer. The Greek economy has been rough since then but now its economy is growing faster than the UK.

http://uk.businessinsider.com/greek-economy-now-growing-faster-than-the-uk-2017-9

 

[Jip99]

11 minutes ago, Srikcir said:

No, you missed completely. Yanis went to negotiations asking all or nothing. The EU said nothing then. Yanis responded by conceding to EU's original offer. The Greek economy has been rough since then but now its economy is growing faster than the UK.

http://uk.businessinsider.com/greek-economy-now-growing-faster-than-the-uk-2017-9

 

 

 

I do smile when people start to hold up the Greek economy the vanguard for the UK to take heed of.....

[taipeir]

No, you missed completely. Yanis went to negotiations asking all or nothing. The EU said nothing then. Yanis responded by conceding to EU's original offer. The Greek economy has been rough since then but now its economy is growing faster than the UK.
http://uk.businessinsider.com/greek-economy-now-growing-faster-than-the-uk-2017-9
 

Exactly, Yanis had nothing to back up his waffling.

If you are going to play a tough game you have to have something to back it.



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