Prayut tipped to put competence ahead of friendship in Cabinet reshuffle

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More hot air  from the Troll farm of Thailand

[Baerboxer]

9 hours ago, Eric Loh said:

In your eagerness to try defend the military, you forgot that crony government and senators still have to seek endorsement by the people. Not the same BB. Military appoints their cronies and family members DO NOT seek people endorsement. No mandate given. They just take regardless of opposition. 

 

Yingluck changed her cabinet often and each ministries performance are open for debates and criticism in Parliament and public opinions. Not the same again BB in the NLA and public opinions are monitored, intimidated or charged by some make-up charges.

 

When you mention elections and say it is feudaliam, it is oxymonic. Military dominance is a feudal dominance while election is opposite contrast whereby people free to chose. If the EC rules legitimacy of the election, they have scrutinized for illegitimate voting attempts. Your conclusion carries no weight. 

 

Thailand is unstuck due to the military continuous interference in politics on behalf of the establishment. That is the status qou and Thailand got to be allow to be empowered to decide on their future.     

 

I'm not defending the military. Either you genuinely have comprehension issues or you feel the need to defend any criticisms of the Shins by deflection as you simply can't otherwise. Whatever, it doesn't alter the reality.

 

The Shins wanted the senate to be fully elected, with no limitations on family and terms. I put forward that they wanted that as they believed they could manipulate any elections for the senate as they do for the lower house. However, they didn't support the election of provincial governors. 

 

Because of their illegal activities, the Shin regimes have all fallen foul of the law. So we've never seen how they'd actually have reacted to being voted out. Perhaps like a Mugabe, Hun Sen or African despot democrat might? They certainly didn't react well to loosing the Bangkok governor and Don Meuang by-elections and tried all sorts of tricks to get those elections or winning candidates disqualified. 

 

Can you show where the performance of any PTP (be honest, Yingluck didn't change the cabinet, nor was it "hers") Minister was fully discussed in parliamentary review. Pull the other one! Thaksin shuffled the cabinet as and when he pleased - performance had bugger all to do with it. Like when the TRT cronies bans expired, in they went.

 

Oxymonic isn't in my dictionary. Not sure of you mean oxymoron. But elections and feudalism aren't an oxymoron. Many many countries still suffer with political systems in which powerful families, castes, or pressure groups exert a feudalistic style over political parties and the electoral system. Simply introducing election into such a society doesn't deliver democracy on it's own. You have evidence all around you and that phenomenon, the electoral system designed to restrict competition is progressing rather than regressing. Sadly.

 

If the military didn't interfere then Thailand would, I posit, have ended up somewhat like Cambodia is going, Singapore was for a long time and Zimbabwe will be for a long time seemingly. That is a one family dominated repressive democracy where laws are exploited, courts heavily influenced and police simply tools of the executive. That's not to say, in case you are struggling, that military interference is palatable or likely to produce effective and transformation governance.

 

The only way things will change is if there is a really strong independent justice system with robust checks and balances and changes to laws which prohibit the electorate from holding politicians accountable for their actions.

 

[Baerboxer]

11 hours ago, JAG said:

If I may venture a reply.

No you will not stamp out nepotism and corruption ( the two often go hand in hand) in a couple of years. Making those who aspire to govern accountable to the electorate, and educating. Informing and educating the electorate so that they demand they are stamped out will start to have that effect. It will take time - a generation perhaps?

Concentrating power in the hands of a self serving, thoroughly corrupt and autocratic elite, who aspire to a feudal society along the lines of pre 1917 Russia ( albeit with more smiling) will never even begin to start that process. Especially when they talk in terms of twenty year plans.

 

 

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"Concentrating power in the hands of a self serving, thoroughly corrupt and autocratic elite, who aspire to a feudal society along the lines of pre 1917 Russia ( albeit with more smiling) will never even begin to start that process"

 

And that so often applies to the group that succeed the autocratic elite, and become the new autocratic elite! Usually claiming to be the party of the people, socialists and democrats. Only they ain't!

 

 

[coulson]

Kind of incredible that he has now effectively admitted that for the past 3 years the ranks have been filled with his incompetent friends.

[kaorop]

I dont come here for the 'articles' and rarely read them all, cause I know full well it will be "full of it". I come in hope of the comedy gold that various members pull out of their hats every now and then

......makes this site worth visiting.???

[kaorop]

33 minutes ago, coulson said:

Kind of incredible that he has now effectively admitted that for the past 3 years the ranks have been filled with his incompetent friends.

That doesnt count here, what counts is, "see we are improving things". Just never you mind what went on before, nor how long it took or for that matter question the new appointments.

[Chris Lawrence]

15 hours ago, Cadbury said:

One wouldn't need 100 guesses to figure out who you are referring to in particular. Anyway Prayut has a 20 year plan to stamp out corruption and we are still in the first year. Can't rush these things. Have to get the Shins corruption out of the way first and that could take some time.

What are their up to date income/investment holdings at the moment for the boys in white clothes? Try and search that. These guys are the experts of 'saying its alright, it wasn't me'. What are the numbers of the new investments put forward by this crew and where is the money coming from, while who is doing the contract work? The grab for the Gold Mine didn't wake you up? Maybe hay-fever? Need to smell the roses.

 

If you can post that information, much appreciated.

[Chris Lawrence]

2 hours ago, Baerboxer said:

 

I'm not defending the military. Either you genuinely have comprehension issues or you feel the need to defend any criticisms of the Shins by deflection as you simply can't otherwise. Whatever, it doesn't alter the reality.

 

The Shins wanted the senate to be fully elected, with no limitations on family and terms. I put forward that they wanted that as they believed they could manipulate any elections for the senate as they do for the lower house. However, they didn't support the election of provincial governors. 

 

Because of their illegal activities, the Shin regimes have all fallen foul of the law. So we've never seen how they'd actually have reacted to being voted out. Perhaps like a Mugabe, Hun Sen or African despot democrat might? They certainly didn't react well to loosing the Bangkok governor and Don Meuang by-elections and tried all sorts of tricks to get those elections or winning candidates disqualified. 

 

Can you show where the performance of any PTP (be honest, Yingluck didn't change the cabinet, nor was it "hers") Minister was fully discussed in parliamentary review. Pull the other one! Thaksin shuffled the cabinet as and when he pleased - performance had bugger all to do with it. Like when the TRT cronies bans expired, in they went.

 

Oxymonic isn't in my dictionary. Not sure of you mean oxymoron. But elections and feudalism aren't an oxymoron. Many many countries still suffer with political systems in which powerful families, castes, or pressure groups exert a feudalistic style over political parties and the electoral system. Simply introducing election into such a society doesn't deliver democracy on it's own. You have evidence all around you and that phenomenon, the electoral system designed to restrict competition is progressing rather than regressing. Sadly.

 

If the military didn't interfere then Thailand would, I posit, have ended up somewhat like Cambodia is going, Singapore was for a long time and Zimbabwe will be for a long time seemingly. That is a one family dominated repressive democracy where laws are exploited, courts heavily influenced and police simply tools of the executive. That's not to say, in case you are struggling, that military interference is palatable or likely to produce effective and transformation governance.

 

The only way things will change is if there is a really strong independent justice system with robust checks and balances and changes to laws which prohibit the electorate from holding politicians accountable for their actions.

 

You still don't get my dear Baer buddy.

 

The problem was that the Shins were attempting to hog the golden goose. The income stream tightened up for the elite, except for a few of them.

 

Now the Generals have the golden goose in safe keeping and the money is flowing to where it should.

 

Open your heart as this diatribe is boring.

 

What are the figures for new development? where is the money coming from? The US has smelt the cash? Who are the lead contractors? Who will actually do the work? They need to be transparent.