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EU parliament's Brexit negotiator - 'major issues' unresolved on citizens' rights

 

Guy Verhofstadt, President of the Group of the Alliance of Liberals and Democrats for Europe (ALDE), in Strasbourg, France, October 4, 2017. REUTERS/Reuters TV

 

BRUSSELS (Reuters) - "Major issues" must still be resolved on safeguarding citizens' rights after Brexit, the European Parliament's negotiator Guy Verhofstadt said on Wednesday, the eve of another round of divorce negotiations between London and Brussels.

 

The talks have been grinding slowly and Verhofstadt said that London's assurances on the status of EU citizens living in Britain were not good enough.

 

British Prime Minister Theresa May has said the two sides were "in touching distance" of a deal and said on Tuesday the British government expected most EU citizens currently living in Britain would be allowed to stay after Brexit in 2019.

 

"We don't recognise reports suggesting that a deal on citizens' rights is almost finalised. There are still major issues that have to be resolved," Verhofstadt said.

 

He said one of his concerns was that Britain should grant a settled status to EU citizens based on a free-of-charge declaration while London's latest proposal envisaged a conditional application.

 

A spokesman for the British government said "the UK has made a fair and serious offer on citizens' rights" and "real progress" was made in the latest round of negotiations.

 

"Safeguarding the rights of EU citizens living in the UK, and UK nationals in the EU, is our first priority in the negotiations," the spokesman said. "We want to provide as much certainty as soon as possible to the many EU citizens who have made their lives in the UK and who make a huge contribution to our country."

 

London hopes the 27 other EU states would assess enough progress has been made in divorce talks - covering the citizens, Britain's exit bill and the future Irish border - to open new discussions on a post-Brexit transition period and a future trade relationship as soon as possible.

 

The other 27 EU leaders will take another look on that in December though Germany and some others stress that is not a done deal and want London to improve exit terms, especially on the financial settlement.

 

In a gesture towards the embattled May, however, the 27 launched internal preparations for the second set of negotiations in order to be ready with a unified position and able to present it to London swiftly once they are satisfied with progress in the divorce talks.

 

(Reporting by Gabriela Baczynska; Editing by Alison Williams and Grant McCool)

 

-- © Copyright Reuters 2017-11-09

[steve187]

and it goes on, all talk outside of meetings, and it would seem no talk inside the brexit meetings, on the odd occasions that they have a meeting.

[BuaBS]

Guy Verhofstadt , one the their worst.

[terryw]

It would be political suicide for any government to agree that foreign citizens have better rights than their own. Also, my nephews girlfriend, who is from Slovakia, recently told me that she has more trust in UK laws that EU laws.

[Stargeezr]

Another bloody messy divorce..

[natway09]

A long way to go before any decree nisi is forthcoming ,,, if at all

[dunroaming]

Nothing new here, just re-iterating that no progress is being made.  Talks start again today but don't hold your breath!

[lungbing]

How would the Thais react if I said I was subject to British law, not Thai law,  because I'm English?  Come to that, how would most of you reading this react?  Arrogance would be the mildest insult.  If you live in the UK you are then  subject to British law.

[dunroaming]

1 hour ago, lungbing said:

If you live in the UK you are then  subject to British law.

Yes that is correct.  Always has been and always will.

[7by7]

On ‎09‎/‎11‎/‎2017 at 3:41 AM, terryw said:

It would be political suicide for any government to agree that foreign citizens have better rights than their own. Also, my nephews girlfriend, who is from Slovakia, recently told me that she has more trust in UK laws that EU laws.

 What rights do you believe EU citizens have, or will have post Brexit, in the UK which British citizens don't have?

 

If it wasn't for one particular EU law, the Freedom of Movement Directive which the UK signed up to as did all the other member states, then your nephew's Slovakian girlfriend would not be living in the UK; unless she was able to obtain a visa in the same way that, for example, a Thai citizen has to.

 

Obviously, post Brexit the UK will no longer be subject to that directive and so EEA, not just EU, nationals will not be able to use it to live in the UK and British nationals will not be able to do the same to live in an EEA member state. Unless some arrangement whereby the UK will still be bound by it is agreed upon in the Brexit deal; which I think is unlikely.

 

As for those EEA nationals already exercising a treaty right to live in the UK and those British nationals already doing the same in another EEA member state, I cannot see why both sides cannot simply agree that they should automatically be granted permanent residence in the state where they are living on a set and agreed upon date.

 

 

[Grouse]

On 09/11/2017 at 10:41 AM, terryw said:

It would be political suicide for any government to agree that foreign citizens have better rights than their own. Also, my nephews girlfriend, who is from Slovakia, recently told me that she has more trust in UK laws that EU laws.

Oh! Well, I'd better modify my inferior knowledge immediately! Jesus

[Thongkorn]

There was an incident today in the UK an illegal immigrant that was being held in a detention center pending his asylum appeal, It was refused , So He got legal aid and sued the Government for£80.000, Because they held him too long, By EU Law, and you wonder why  people voted to leave the Mad house.

Edited November 10, 2017 by Thongkorn

[Khun Han]

They say you get the face you deserve at 50.

[dundee48]

1 hour ago, Thongkorn said:

There was an incident today in the UK an illegal immigrant that was being held in a detention center pending his asylum appeal, It was refused , So He got legal aid and sued the Government for£80.000, Because they held him too long, By EU Law, and you wonder why  people voted to leave the Mad house.

The bleeding hearts will be along soon saying he deserves every penny because of the emotional distress he suffered..The detention centre was obviously much worse than whatever hellhole he came from.

[7by7]

2 hours ago, Thongkorn said:

There was an incident today in the UK an illegal immigrant that was being held in a detention center pending his asylum appeal, It was refused , So He got legal aid and sued the Government for£80.000, Because they held him too long, By EU Law, and you wonder why  people voted to leave the Mad house.

 Odd that there seems to be no mention of it in any media I can find; not even the Daily Mail!

 

Perhaps you can provide a link to the report you saw; which I assume includes a reference to which EU law allowed them to so do?

 

Even if true, it has nothing to do with this topic; which is about the rights of EEA nationals in the UK and British nationals in the EEA post Brexit!

 

Why is it certain Brexiteers leap on every topic which mentions the EU with off topic, and often incorrect, posts? Why are they so desperate to convince themselves that they made the right decision last July?

Edited November 10, 2017 by 7by7

[rockingrobin]

5 hours ago, Thongkorn said:

There was an incident today in the UK an illegal immigrant that was being held in a detention center pending his asylum appeal, It was refused , So He got legal aid and sued the Government for£80.000, Because they held him too long, By EU Law, and you wonder why  people voted to leave the Mad house.

This is not correct , details here

http://metro.co.uk/2017/11/10/violent-asylum-seeker-wins-80000-compensation-for-being-falsely-imprisoned-7070087/