smedly Posted November 16, 2017 Share Posted November 16, 2017 10 minutes ago, CGW said: I'm sure the helmet will protect your head! this is where I have a problem with the "must wear helmet brigade" they proudly pronounce they always wear a helmet! while riding in flip flops, shorts and a T shirt! the helmet wont save your rest of your body! or is are they non fatal areas! Long!, long way to go before safety is even understood in this country & even further away is having a functioning Police force! 90% of MB accidents I have seen on Thai roads a helmet would not have made a difference, a good helmet will protect against low speed impacts of less than 20kph to the head hitting something solid, anything above that speed and you are unlikely to survive, and I am not talking about vehicle speed - I am talking about the speed or velocity your head is moving on direct impact, when you fall off a bike doing say 100kmph your head will hit the ground from a falling height of about 5ft unless you are thrown into the air to a greater height in which case the impact with the ground will be more severe, the problem is not the ground as such it is the solid things around you that you may hit with your head or body at much higher velocity as you move forward, a fine example is something like motogp - we have riders crashing at 200-300kmph but they survive because there is nothing solid (except a motorbike) to hit on the track, when they come off their head will impact the ground based on how high the fall is not their forward velocity or speed The point being that although helmets are a good idea they will not save you if your head hits something solid at an impact speed of more than 20kmph - a tree for example or another vehicle Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DM07 Posted November 16, 2017 Share Posted November 16, 2017 Yeah...sure! That'll happen! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JAG Posted November 16, 2017 Share Posted November 16, 2017 Put up tent beside junction: check. Install stacking chairs and folding table: check Arrange with TOT/3BB for special internet connection: check. Put out fluorescent light triangles with red flashing lights. Ensure that batteries are fully charged, to ensure that the lights work for the first 24 hours: check. High profile presence for first 12 (daylight) hours, after that the old chaps in the ill-fitting khaki fatigues can stag on. Jobs a good un.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichardColeman Posted November 16, 2017 Share Posted November 16, 2017 Thailand : Hub of hot air and no action (unless its buying military goods) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnny49r Posted November 16, 2017 Share Posted November 16, 2017 2 hours ago, Kyri said: Why go to Japan for advice ? Let the cops do their job or nothing will change. The cops are the problem - not the solution! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnny49r Posted November 16, 2017 Share Posted November 16, 2017 3 hours ago, webfact said: The Ministry of Transport and the MLIT will jointly conduct a study on road safety and use existing technology to reduce road fatalities in Thailand. The ministry of transport and MLIT don't need to do a joint study on 'Road Safety'. A quick jaunt down any highway will expose the fundamental problem: total lack of law enforcement. Police in Thailand are reactive and will only become involved after an accident. They don't consider it their job to prevent problems. So whose job is it? And what is this existing technology? You mean those broken cameras placed in ineffective areas? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
midas Posted November 16, 2017 Share Posted November 16, 2017 The first thing is Transport Minister Arkhom Termpittayapaisith I would say the Japanese would consider the Thai driving test to be a joke compared to theirs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Khun Paul Posted November 16, 2017 Share Posted November 16, 2017 Get the RTP offd their collective backsides and out there enforcing things like speeding buses/vans, drunk driving and overloaded with passengers vehicles . Fines to be tripled and ALL fines to be paid to the Government . Plus impounding untax/insured vehicles and drivers with no licences banned. We might then JUST see improvement . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smedly Posted November 16, 2017 Share Posted November 16, 2017 59 minutes ago, midas said: The first thing is Transport Minister Arkhom Termpittayapaisith I would say the Japanese would consider the Thai driving test to be a joke compared to theirs driving test and driving school can only go so far even in the west, it teaches the fundamentals of how to drive and the law and the do's and don'ts, the real learning is behind the wheel, most people breaking the law know they are doing it and that includes in the west, the difference in Thailand is that there is a lesser chance of getting caught and punished so law breaking is more widespread and the end result is the carnage on the roads, couple that with road safety and planning and you have the making of Thailands horrendous accident record, people just think they know better and there is nothing stopping them, even something as simple as road markings would make a difference, Thai's just don't want to conform to the rules and when there is no enforcement of the rules then you have the carnage we see every day Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
midas Posted November 16, 2017 Share Posted November 16, 2017 1 hour ago, smedly said: driving test and driving school can only go so far even in the west, it teaches the fundamentals of how to drive and the law and the do's and don'ts, the real learning is behind the wheel, most people breaking the law know they are doing it and that includes in the west, the difference in Thailand is that there is a lesser chance of getting caught and punished so law breaking is more widespread and the end result is the carnage on the roads, couple that with road safety and planning and you have the making of Thailands horrendous accident record, people just think they know better and there is nothing stopping them, even something as simple as road markings would make a difference, Thai's just don't want to conform to the rules and when there is no enforcement of the rules then you have the carnage we see every day Thais have a bad attitude on the roads- me me me. Maybe driving schools and driving tests with an examiner who actually sits in the car with you and closely observed your attitude and behaviour still can't stop that but it can certainly go some way to improving it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happyman58 Posted November 16, 2017 Share Posted November 16, 2017 Blah Blah Blah here we go again Hey Thais motorists new plan coming to stop you from killing yourselves. Thai motorists answers back " Another plan Why should we take notice after not taking notice of the last 100 plans" This is my plan Get those lazy cops off there arse and enforce the law Sounds like a good plan to me Minister go back to your office and watch the Thais kill themselves Then we can have another plan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happyman58 Posted November 16, 2017 Share Posted November 16, 2017 1 hour ago, smedly said: driving test and driving school can only go so far even in the west, it teaches the fundamentals of how to drive and the law and the do's and don'ts, the real learning is behind the wheel, most people breaking the law know they are doing it and that includes in the west, the difference in Thailand is that there is a lesser chance of getting caught and punished so law breaking is more widespread and the end result is the carnage on the roads, couple that with road safety and planning and you have the making of Thailands horrendous accident record, people just think they know better and there is nothing stopping them, even something as simple as road markings would make a difference, Thai's just don't want to conform to the rules and when there is no enforcement of the rules then you have the carnage we see every day Just dont let the Japanese see how you Thais drive. There would lots of jokes all over Japan about it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CLW Posted November 16, 2017 Share Posted November 16, 2017 The announced countermeasures are a joke. I doubt they would even work in Japan or any other civilised country, let alone Thailand.You have to hit the people where it hurts. And this is money. And since the loss of a driver license doesn't prevent them from driving again, confiscate their vehicles. But then there is the general problem with the absolute inability and inactivity of the Thai police.Install speed cameras. You could make millions of Baht with that since absolutely no one cares about the speed limit. The newest generation is so good you can even see if someone wearing the safety belt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smedly Posted November 16, 2017 Share Posted November 16, 2017 50 minutes ago, midas said: Thais have a bad attitude on the roads- me me me. Maybe driving schools and driving tests with an examiner who actually sits in the car with you and closely observed your attitude and behaviour still can't stop that but it can certainly go some way to improving it. like I said it has limited effect you can tell people the rules - make them pass an exam - teach them the fundamentals of driving a vehicle and test them, but when it really comes down to it - unless the police actually enforce the rules/law an punish offenders - it all come to nothing. Think of it this way (apart from road worthiness of vehicles) if you suddenly remove all the police and cameras from the UK, how long before the road death toll creeps up - I can guarantee not long before there is carnage on the roads Also another way of looking at it, if you take 1000 Thai drivers and put them in the UK - how long before they start to realise that laws are actually enforced and people are punished, they will change their driving style because they know they cannot get away with it. Like I have said many times before, generally Thai drivers know the rules and also know they are breaking them.....why ? because they can - there is little enforcement of road traffic laws because they are more interested in setting up a traffic stop and screwing people for donations.......easy money Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trainman34014 Posted November 16, 2017 Share Posted November 16, 2017 3 hours ago, Khun Paul said: Get the RTP offd their collective backsides and out there enforcing things like speeding buses/vans, drunk driving and overloaded with passengers vehicles . Fines to be tripled and ALL fines to be paid to the Government . Plus impounding untax/insured vehicles and drivers with no licences banned. We might then JUST see improvement . The Old Bill get 42% of all the fines for themselves from legal checkpoints and 100% from illegal checkpoints and that is all they are interested in....forget the rest as there's no money in it ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ceruhe Posted November 16, 2017 Share Posted November 16, 2017 I'd like to see an alternative timeline with no safety measures whatsoever and see that perform better than the safety measures to be rolled out... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wgdanson Posted November 16, 2017 Share Posted November 16, 2017 8 hours ago, Eric Loh said: Don't the Minister think it should be rolled out NOW ! Not enough deaths and carnages to be convincing? And ALL OVER Thailand, not just 4 provinces. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edwinchester Posted November 16, 2017 Share Posted November 16, 2017 What's needed is far more tents by the side of the road staffed by old ladies and fat men from the local Govt Office watching tv and earning some well deserved overtime pay. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jenny2017 Posted November 16, 2017 Share Posted November 16, 2017 One of my "hiso friends," who knows all the politicians could find out how they'll proceed. Here's their safety measure plan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cadbury Posted November 16, 2017 Share Posted November 16, 2017 8 hours ago, Eric Loh said: Don't the Minister think it should be rolled out NOW ! Not enough deaths and carnages to be convincing? You shouldn't be too hard on the poor man. He is just one of Prayut's houseboys who does as he is told. This is nothing more than an ass covering exercise so that when road deaths over Christmas are off the scale he can claim to his boss. I tried! I made more speed signs and painted the roads red. What more could I do Boss? Minister then exits stage left never to be heard from again until Songkran when he repeats the same thing over again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
midas Posted November 16, 2017 Share Posted November 16, 2017 1 hour ago, smedly said: like I said it has limited effect you can tell people the rules - make them pass an exam - teach them the fundamentals of driving a vehicle and test them, but when it really comes down to it - unless the police actually enforce the rules/law an punish offenders - it all come to nothing. Think of it this way (apart from road worthiness of vehicles) if you suddenly remove all the police and cameras from the UK, how long before the road death toll creeps up - I can guarantee not long before there is carnage on the roads Also another way of looking at it, if you take 1000 Thai drivers and put them in the UK - how long before they start to realise that laws are actually enforced and people are punished, they will change their driving style because they know they cannot get away with it. Like I have said many times before, generally Thai drivers know the rules and also know they are breaking them.....why ? because they can - there is little enforcement of road traffic laws because they are more interested in setting up a traffic stop and screwing people for donations.......easy money " Think of it this way (apart from road worthiness of vehicles) if you suddenly remove all the police and cameras from the UK, how long before the road death toll creeps up - I can guarantee not long before there is carnage on the roads " Can you provide evidence to support your theory? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonmarleesco Posted November 16, 2017 Share Posted November 16, 2017 8 hours ago, webfact said: The Ministry of Transport and the MLIT will jointly conduct a study on road safety and use existing technology to reduce road fatalities in Thailand. Oh, please. They don't have the first idea about the concept of road safety, nor about effective use of technology, existing and otherwise, to reduce fatalities. In fact, no idea about how to deal with the issue at all. Japan, in common with western countries, starts at the beginning, with training and proper testing. The MoT/DLT would prefer to think that Thai drivers already understand the basics. They don't. By the time they've completed the study, it'll be the New Year - probably the Thai version, with yet more meaningless threats to address the carnage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonmarleesco Posted November 16, 2017 Share Posted November 16, 2017 1 hour ago, smedly said: like I said it has limited effect you can tell people the rules - make them pass an exam - teach them the fundamentals of driving a vehicle and test them, but when it really comes down to it - unless the police actually enforce the rules/law an punish offenders - it all come to nothing. Think of it this way (apart from road worthiness of vehicles) if you suddenly remove all the police and cameras from the UK, how long before the road death toll creeps up - I can guarantee not long before there is carnage on the roads Also another way of looking at it, if you take 1000 Thai drivers and put them in the UK - how long before they start to realise that laws are actually enforced and people are punished, they will change their driving style because they know they cannot get away with it. Like I have said many times before, generally Thai drivers know the rules and also know they are breaking them.....why ? because they can - there is little enforcement of road traffic laws because they are more interested in setting up a traffic stop and screwing people for donations.......easy money '... you can tell people the rules - make them pass an exam - teach them the fundamentals of driving a vehicle and test them ...' You could. But the DLT doesn't over concern itself with the bothersome necessities. ' ... if you take 1000 Thai drivers and put them in the UK - how long before they start to realise that laws are actually enforced and people are punished, they will change their driving style because they know they cannot get away with it.' You do know that Thais, God forbid, can use their licence to drive on British roads? ' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hotchilli Posted November 16, 2017 Share Posted November 16, 2017 He should be given the opportunity of early retirement and employ someone with a real sense of what needs to be done to bring Thailands roads, drivers and police into the 21st century! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HappyinNE Posted November 16, 2017 Share Posted November 16, 2017 10 hours ago, jerojero said: Memorandum of understanding means both parties gain something from a transaction or exchange. What could Japan possibly learn from Thailand road safety! Sent from my SM-G950W using Thailand Forum - Thaivisa mobile app What not to do!!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smedly Posted November 16, 2017 Share Posted November 16, 2017 5 hours ago, midas said: " Think of it this way (apart from road worthiness of vehicles) if you suddenly remove all the police and cameras from the UK, how long before the road death toll creeps up - I can guarantee not long before there is carnage on the roads " Can you provide evidence to support your theory? well I made a claim - how about you offer some argument that I am wrong..............go for it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happyman58 Posted November 16, 2017 Share Posted November 16, 2017 8 hours ago, edwinchester said: What's needed is far more tents by the side of the road staffed by old ladies and fat men from the local Govt Office watching tv and earning some well deserved overtime pay. Or eating Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ronrat Posted November 16, 2017 Share Posted November 16, 2017 How about schools banning kids riding to school on motorbikes. Cant park there and if caught the kids parents to front school. I no half the lazy sods won't go which caused the problem in the first place but a loss of face in the village might have some impact. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happyman58 Posted November 17, 2017 Share Posted November 17, 2017 2 hours ago, ronrat said: How about schools banning kids riding to school on motorbikes. Cant park there and if caught the kids parents to front school. I no half the lazy sods won't go which caused the problem in the first place but a loss of face in the village might have some impact. The trouble again Ron is the Keystone cops My step daughter ( one lazy spoilt girl) started riding to school when she was 14 Mother' s approval because she was to lazy to get her self to school Might involve some walking This girl never had a license to ride that bike to school but she still did it Mum knew Did nothing She was pulled over about 10 times by the Keystone boys fined 200 baht for not having a license and allowed to get back on bike and ride to school She use to laugh about it. 70% of those kids riding bikes to school do not have a license If the keystone cops were any good and they are def are not they would go to school hold classes with these students inform them they cannot by law ride a bike till certain age and must have a license and if they are caught they would loose the bike a big fine would be imposed on them and mum and dad for letting them ride the bike to school. That would be normal policing thing to do But here the cops are to lazy to get off there <deleted> and go to these schools and plus it cuts off the tea money Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
midas Posted November 17, 2017 Share Posted November 17, 2017 12 hours ago, smedly said: well I made a claim - how about you offer some argument that I am wrong..............go for it Quote A new study that followed more than 150,000 teen drivers over eight years has found that driver's education significantly reduces crashes and traffic violations among new drivers. Young drivers who have not completed driver's education are 75 percent more likely to get a traffic ticket, 24 percent more likely to be involved in a fatal or injury accident and 16 percent more likely to have an accident, the study showed. http://newsroom.unl.edu/releases/2015/08/13/Study:+Driver's+ed+significantly+reduces+teen+crashes,+tickets Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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