tropo Posted December 10, 2017 Share Posted December 10, 2017 4 minutes ago, ClutchClark said: Now you accuse me of being homophobic simply because I disagree with you. This is a technique used in an effort to belittle and discredit individuals who simply hold a differing opinion than you. You have absolutely zero insight or knowledge into my views about the subject. None. It is you that appears to have an agenda. That's a pretty accurate description of what happens. Look for some hint of homophobia, or make it up, and use it to discredit an individual in an attempt to win a debate. When they start using terms like "heterophobia", then we can play. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ClutchClark Posted December 10, 2017 Share Posted December 10, 2017 2 minutes ago, sjaak327 said: No I did not accuse you of being homophobic, I said 'on this thread'. You complain about the 'gay victim' card that is being played out in your view, and I just gave you the reasoning behind it. As I said to another poster, re-read the thread, the homophobic posts of some are still there for anyone to read, despite it being in violation of forum guideline #10. Alright thank you for clarifying. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tropo Posted December 10, 2017 Share Posted December 10, 2017 2 minutes ago, sjaak327 said: Oh I agree, ask the bloke that desegrated the Erawan Shrine. The point is they don't need a lot of reasons to attack foreigners. The hate is already there - all they need is an excuse. Showing your butt AT temples is not a safe activity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sjaak327 Posted December 10, 2017 Share Posted December 10, 2017 2 minutes ago, tropo said: That's a pretty accurate description of what happens. Look for some hint of homophobia, or make it up, and use it to discredit an individual in an attempt to win a debate. When they start using terms like "heterophobia", then we can play. There is absolutely no need to make up a hint of homophobia, unless you cannot read... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sjaak327 Posted December 10, 2017 Share Posted December 10, 2017 1 minute ago, tropo said: The point is they don't need a lot of reasons to attack foreigners. The hate is already there - all they need is an excuse. Showing your butt AT temples is not a safe activity. I agree, you are probably right. This in my view does not reflect good on the Thais. But I also think we are talking about a small minority. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tropo Posted December 10, 2017 Share Posted December 10, 2017 Just now, sjaak327 said: There is absolutely no need to make up a hint of homophobia, unless you cannot read... Maybe you can read, but I had some concerns about your ability to comprehend. Simply adding the word "gay" to "couple" is hint enough to set the likes of you off on a rampage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sjaak327 Posted December 10, 2017 Share Posted December 10, 2017 (edited) 18 minutes ago, tropo said: Maybe you can read, but I had some concerns about your ability to comprehend. Simply adding the word "gay" to "couple" is hint enough to set the likes of you off on a rampage. You must be joking. All the rampage that is visible here are people getting their nickers in a twist about a couple showing their buts. The blatant homophobia by many on this thread another great example of the rampage you talk about. Pot kettle black. I merely react. And if that somehow constitute as being on a rampage, so be it. I would say that some people on here needs more perspective and a brain. Edited December 10, 2017 by sjaak327 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tropo Posted December 10, 2017 Share Posted December 10, 2017 20 minutes ago, sjaak327 said: You must be joking. All the rampage that is visible here are people getting their nickers in a twist about a couple showing their buts. The blatant homophobia by many on this thread another great example of the rampage you talk about. Pot kettle black. I merely react. And if that somehow constitute as being on a rampage, so be it. I would say that some people on here needs more perspective and a brain. LOL> I'd say your performance on here well approximates a "rampage". Your last comment could suggest you're the one in need of more perspective and brain power. Smart people don't normally go around bragging that they are smart... quite the opposite actually. Your criteria for being smart is what? If people agree with you they must be smart, otherwise, they are dumb with no perspective? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stargeezr Posted December 10, 2017 Share Posted December 10, 2017 These two Gays, showed their Ugly American butts, that is for sure. Too bad they did not lose some time in the Thai jails, until they were totally sick of eating rice, and protein. I think they got away lucky. Geezer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tropo Posted December 10, 2017 Share Posted December 10, 2017 41 minutes ago, sjaak327 said: I agree, you are probably right. This in my view does not reflect good on the Thais. But I also think we are talking about a small minority. A small minority of 68 million people is still a big group of people able to do harm. I don't think the "minority" is as small as you think it is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ClutchClark Posted December 10, 2017 Share Posted December 10, 2017 18 minutes ago, sjaak327 said: You must be joking. All the rampage that is visible here are people getting their nickers in a twist about a couple showing their buts. The blatant homophobia by many on this thread another great example of the rampage you talk about. Rampage? Rsmpage is what would tske place if these stunts were performed in various Middle Eastern Countries in front of their religious institutions. Lets keep this in context. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sjaak327 Posted December 10, 2017 Share Posted December 10, 2017 LOL> I'd say your performance on here well approximates a "rampage". Your last comment could suggest you're the one in need of more perspective and brain power. Smart people don't normally go around bragging that they are smart... quite the opposite actually. Your criteria for being smart is what? If people agree with you they must be smart, otherwise, they are dumb with no perspective?Nowhere did I claim I was smart. However homophobia as such is dumb. The perspective bit is geared towards people advocating a jail sentence, absolutely unjust and inappropriate. Sent from my SM-J730GM using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sjaak327 Posted December 10, 2017 Share Posted December 10, 2017 Rampage? Rsmpage is what would tske place if these stunts were performed in various Middle Eastern Countries in front of their religious institutions. Lets keep this in context. And would be equally wrong Sent from my SM-J730GM using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tropo Posted December 10, 2017 Share Posted December 10, 2017 12 minutes ago, sjaak327 said: Nowhere did I claim I was smart. However homophobia as such is dumb. The perspective bit is geared towards people advocating a jail sentence, absolutely unjust and inappropriate. Sent from my SM-J730GM using Tapatalk Not in so many words. You suggested that people (who don't agree with you) should gain perspective AND a brain. LOL. The word "homophobia" has taken on too broad a meaning, well past its original use and as such, has no useful meaning in discussions. I wish you'd give THAT a break. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sjaak327 Posted December 10, 2017 Share Posted December 10, 2017 Not in so many words. You suggested that people (who don't agree with you) should gain perspective AND a brain. LOL. The word "homophobia" has taken on too broad a meaning, well past its original use and as such, has no useful meaning in discussions. I wish you'd give THAT a break. I did not suggest that at all, the post you responded too contains a clear explanation about what I did suggest. Cannot make it any clearer. I stop playing the homophobic card if people stop posting homophobic remarks. And not a moment sooner. Sent from my SM-J730GM using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jingthing Posted December 10, 2017 Share Posted December 10, 2017 (edited) 1 hour ago, Stargrazer9889 said: These two Gays, showed their Ugly American butts, that is for sure. Too bad they did not lose some time in the Thai jails, until they were totally sick of eating rice, and protein. I think they got away lucky. Geezer I have to agree that the married American couple have been relatively lucky as they were clearly threatened with charges that would have meant several years in Thai prison. But they did lose some time incarcerated here and I'm sure they ain't going to be working for the tourism board here anytime soon ... I also have to agree that their butts aren't especially fetching. But I don't think that was their point as the photos weren't for porn, they were their idea for a themed photo project about their travels. Edited December 10, 2017 by Jingthing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jingthing Posted December 10, 2017 Share Posted December 10, 2017 (edited) 5 minutes ago, sjaak327 said: I will if people stop posting homophobic remarks. Sent from my SM-J730GM using Tapatalk Good to hear. The persistent vile homophobia that's been posted here (and everywhere on the net about this story) demands pushback. People shouldn't be expected to just take such disgusting bigotry without calling it out, any more than people should just passively accept racism or sexual harassment. People should understand that homophobia kills as does racism. This fake false equivalence of calling people that correctly call out homophobia as heterophobes doesn't pass the total B.S. test. Edited December 10, 2017 by Jingthing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sjaak327 Posted December 10, 2017 Share Posted December 10, 2017 Good to hear. The persistent vile homophobia that's been posted here (and everywhere on the net about this story) demands pushback. People shouldn't be expected to just take such disgusting bigotry without calling it out, any more than people should just passively accept racism or sexual harassment. People should understand that homophobia kills as does racism. This fake false equivalence of calling people that correctly call out homophobia as heterophobes doesn't pass the total B.S. test. Hetrophobes , indeed utter bullshit, as if hetero's suddenly have lesser rights than Gay people. You cannot possibly be further away from reality... Sent from my SM-J730GM using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jingthing Posted December 10, 2017 Share Posted December 10, 2017 2 minutes ago, sjaak327 said: Hetrophobes , indeed utter bullshit, as if hetero's suddenly have lesser rights than Gay people. You cannot possibly be further away from reality... Sent from my SM-J730GM using Tapatalk I could see in some rare social instances like in a very gay work environment where it's conceivable that straight people could be discriminated against. But overall socially and globally, you're talking about an issue that is very insignificant statistically. For example, I doubt in the history of the world that a straight kid committed suicide because of social heterophobia or was beaten to death by gay thugs for being straight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sjaak327 Posted December 10, 2017 Share Posted December 10, 2017 I could see in some rare social instances like in a very gay work environment where it's conceivable that straight people could be discriminated against. But overall socially and globally, you're talking about an issue that is very insignificant statistically. For example, I doubt in the history of the world that a straight kid committed suicide because of social heterophobia or was beaten to death by gay thugs for being straight. Precisely. I know of several gay people that felt the need to marry a woman, just because one of the parents (or both), cannot accept their son being gay. No one has to go through that. Sent from my SM-J730GM using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
isaanbanhou Posted December 10, 2017 Share Posted December 10, 2017 1 hour ago, sjaak327 said: Precisely. I know of several gay people that felt the need to marry a woman, just because one of the parents (or both), cannot accept their son being gay. No one has to go through that. Sent from my SM-J730GM using Tapatalk Your several gay friends that entered heterosexual marriage and perhaps a family to please their parents despite knowing they were defrauding their partners need to grow a pair of testicles. What kind of gutless loser is mature enough to marry but not mature enough to face the consequences of their actions? Your several gay friends need counselling not pity Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sjaak327 Posted December 10, 2017 Share Posted December 10, 2017 Your several gay friends that entered heterosexual marriage and perhaps a family to please their parents despite knowing they were defrauding their partners need to grow a pair of testicles. What kind of gutless loser is mature enough to marry but not mature enough to face the consequences of their actions? Your several gay friends need counselling not pityI will let them know. Surprised you seem to know exactly what had transpired without even knowing the persons or the exact circumstances. Considering your contributions to this thread, that comes as no surprise. Consideration such an alien concept when gay people are concerned... The forum rules prevent me from posting exactly what I think of your contributions to this thread... As to growing testicles. maybe you should practice what you preach, instead of whinging about two guys showing their butts at a temple. Sent from my SM-J730GM using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ClutchClark Posted December 10, 2017 Share Posted December 10, 2017 (edited) Posting Issue Edited December 10, 2017 by ClutchClark Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ClutchClark Posted December 10, 2017 Share Posted December 10, 2017 (edited) Site causes multiple posts. Edited December 10, 2017 by ClutchClark Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ClutchClark Posted December 10, 2017 Share Posted December 10, 2017 (edited) Posting Issue. Edited December 10, 2017 by ClutchClark Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ClutchClark Posted December 10, 2017 Share Posted December 10, 2017 2 hours ago, sjaak327 said: And would be equally wrong Sent from my SM-J730GM using Tapatalk Signs an actual dialogue ad exchange is over are when you stop hearing or offering some acknowledgement of what was said and steer off on your own theme. Signs it was deteriorating were when my opinion was degraded to an "agenda" and any opposing view to the topic was immediately catsgorized as "homophobia"...which apparently now means any opinion not shared with a gay or about the topic of gay. Earlier it was noted that Thailand also has an LGBT Culture or Community. I would like to point outa glaring difference...when a Thai person is ga it is simply one part of their identity, balanced with their religion, work, family, etc...it is not their entire identity as it is a gay man from the US. I have not noticed the need for them to turn conversations into a "gay vs hetero" as you have managed to do in the last page. Child suicide is a heartbreaking issue and for anyone to broach the subject to give their own position some greater validity is a sorry person indeed. The stresses present in a childs life which can lead them to make such a choice are in no way unique to the gay community. The world does not revolve around you. You demand hetero acceptance for your lifestyle but time and again you offer zero attempt at reciprocity. Very similar to this gay couple traveling the world sticking their butts in everybodies face and lacking the consideration to even offer apology or feel remorse when it has been brought to their attention they have offended many of their hosts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sjaak327 Posted December 10, 2017 Share Posted December 10, 2017 Signs an actual dialogue ad exchange is over are when you stop hearing or offering some acknowledgement of what was said and steer off on your own theme. Signs it was deteriorating were when my opinion was degraded to an "agenda" and any opposing view to the topic was immediately catsgorized as "homophobia"...which apparently now means any opinion not shared with a gay or about the topic of gay. Earlier it was noted that Thailand also has an LGBT Culture or Community. I would like to point outa glaring difference...when a Thai person is ga it is simply one part of their identity, balanced with their religion, work, family, etc...it is not their entire identity as it is a gay man from the US. I have not noticed the need for them to turn conversations into a "gay vs hetero" as you have managed to do in the last page. Child suicide is a heartbreaking issue and for anyone to broach the subject to give their own position some greater validity is a sorry person indeed. The stresses present in a childs life which can lead them to make such a choice are in no way unique to the gay community. The world does not revolve around you. You demand hetero acceptance for your lifestyle but time and again you offer zero attempt at reciprocity. Could you calm down and read, I did not mention child suicide, someone else did. As to self centered, that is extremely rich considering the subject! Pot kettle pitch blackSent from my SM-J730GM using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
isaanbanhou Posted December 10, 2017 Share Posted December 10, 2017 6 minutes ago, sjaak327 said: I will let them know. Surprised you seem to know exactly what had transpired without even knowing the persons or the exact circumstances. Considering your contributions to this thread, that comes as no surprise. Consideration such an alien concept when gay people are concerned... The forum rules prevent me from posting exactly what I think of your contributions to this thread... As to growing testicles. maybe you should practice what you preach, instead of whinging about two guys showing their butts at a temple. Sent from my SM-J730GM using Tapatalk How of course would I know the exact circumstances of your several gay male friends that chose to deceive their spouses in order to keep their parents happy. Please share the full reasoning for their deceit with us all, if it is relevant. If it was important you surely would have informed us of it instead of claiming homophobia was the cause of their problems. You can pm me with your opinion on my postings.. I promise I won t tell on you if you use manly or course language Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sjaak327 Posted December 10, 2017 Share Posted December 10, 2017 How of course would I know the exact circumstances of your several gay male friends that chose to deceive their spouses in order to keep their parents happy. Please share the full reasoning for their deceit with us all, if it is relevant. If it was important you surely would have informed us of it instead of claiming homophobia was the cause of their problems. You can pm me with your opinion on my postings.. I promise I won t tell on you if you use manly or course languageNo need for pm, and it does not take a Nobel prize winner to realize homophobia was indeed the reason. Sent from my SM-J730GM using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ClutchClark Posted December 10, 2017 Share Posted December 10, 2017 17 minutes ago, sjaak327 said: No need for pm, and it does not take a Nobel prize winner to realize homophobia was indeed the reason. Sent from my SM-J730GM using Tapatalk The quality of your communications have seriously deteriorated to the point furhter engagement is not enjoyable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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