15 minutes ago, hawker9000 said:

Really.   WHERE in the world do Muslims "get along" - other than by violent conquest that is - with their host cultures when they decide to "drop in".  Where have they EVER successfully "assimilated"?   What happens on the macro scale is all too often the case on the micro scale as well.  What is "nonsense" is the political correctness through which all discussions such as this one must be filtered.  Only the slowest learners continue to steer by this social mirage.   Here on TV just about every nationality is shamelessly pilloried when one of "theirs" does something stupid or inciteful; national origin is NEVER left out of the discussion.  Jews are constantly the subject around here of rants that sound like reruns of 1930s Germany hate straight out of Nazi playbooks.  Christians, Buddhists -- all ridiculed continually for the sins of a few of their number.   Why the heck should Muslims be treated any differently when they make a scene?  You can argue that their religion has nothing to do with it.  Well maybe it doesn't and maybe it does. 

 

It doesn’t. 

Edited December 19, 20178 yr by Bluespunk

Listening to the video it sounded like the woman in the wheelchair was the foul mouthed person. Why would a chairbound person also cary a walking cane? Just to wave about threatening anyone that did not bow to her apparent privileged status? Hiso or wannabe hiso? 5555

On 12/18/2017 at 10:06 AM, colinneil said:

What a d++k well i surely wont be eating in his restaurant.

You will one day end up eating there because your memory fails you. Especially when the foods are good everything is forgotten wouldn't it?

On 12/18/2017 at 11:19 AM, Thaiwrath said:

She is NOT a customer.

According to the article, she uses the restaurant as a thoroughfare only.

Yes you are right. I guess(because I wasn't there) the staffs probably bend backwards to accommodate her(lady in wheelchair) and yet she probably(my conjecture) said something the customers(thai nationals) couldn't stand anymore that made him started shouting at her.

I think Thais sometimes take insults to a certain extend and they explode when they couldn't keep it down anymore.

Apparently(of course apparently because I wasn't there) the customers eating there just wouldn't allow Thais(their countrymen) to be insulted so they took action to stop it. Isn't this the whole picture here? Or have I got it wrong, I hope not.

1 hour ago, madusa said:

Yes you are right. I guess(because I wasn't there) the staffs probably bend backwards to accommodate her(lady in wheelchair) and yet she probably(my conjecture) said something the customers(thai nationals) couldn't stand anymore that made him started shouting at her.

I think Thais sometimes take insults to a certain extend and they explode when they couldn't keep it down anymore.

Apparently(of course apparently because I wasn't there) the customers eating there just wouldn't allow Thais(their countrymen) to be insulted so they took action to stop it. Isn't this the whole picture here? Or have I got it wrong, I hope not.

Think you have probably summed it very well. 

On 12/18/2017 at 2:07 AM, keith101 said:

If she wasn't in there to eat she shouldn't have been in there and i agree with the men in telling her to get out , probably trying to use the wheelchair for sympathy just to take a short cut through the hotel and what isn't said is whether she was staying in the hotel . 

Nothing to do with her being Muslim or not just not showing respect .

yep

8 hours ago, bannork said:

Assuming, assuming- no one here knows what happened prior to the beginning of the clip. Without that knowledge all the text book theories on how to deal with a difficult customer are just that- theories.

Maybe the manager of the restaurant was absent for some reason and the waitresses just couldn't handle a disabled lady waving her stick, demanding right of access. I wager she must have done something provocative to get two customers into such a rage and to intervene. 

Yes I understand your critique but by the same token you have done the same in 'I wager she must have done something...'. Since there is no way to substantiate your 'wager' given the present evidence either. Like mine, it is just an opinion.

19 hours ago, whaleboneman said:

Two things I've learned in life: everyone sees things differently and holy crap, I'm not always right.

In this case it wasn't about seeing things differently, i.e. having a different viewpoint, it was about his not reading the OP properly as a result of which he got his facts completely wrong.

what ever happened to compassion,understanding and tolerance ...ITS CHRISTMAS...

Edited December 19, 20178 yr by mok199
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On ‎12‎/‎18‎/‎2017 at 11:20 AM, NanLaew said:

Thai's can be the most forgiving of all... I have seen great restraint being shown by Big C check-out staff when someone abuses the '10-items only' tills, especially the clever-dick foreigners. The most professional and courteous worker I personally witnessed was working the till in Au Bon Pain in Bamrungrad Hosiptal. A couple of middle-eastern ladies and their out-of-control brood of ill-behaved kids who were pawing the pastries while their (assumed) mothers argued the prices of the latte's and the croissants they had already started eating before getting to the cashier.

 

Once they had paid up and buggered off, with the sweetest of smiles and bob of her head, the cashier apologized to me in English for THEIR rude and unacceptable behavior that they would have also been called for in your so-called civilized countries.

 

How do you prefer to handle YOUR monkeys BTW?

oh bananas..

On ‎12‎/‎18‎/‎2017 at 12:16 PM, alwaysrainsinUK said:

Dont know where your mixing but 15yrs being in Thailand theyve been the nicest people of any country.

you mean its been me all along....wow...I guess the anger management classes were a waste of money......kidding and yes I agree ''most are amazing people,im married to one''cheers and merry xmas

9 minutes ago, mok199 said:

oh bananas..

and yes thais are for the most part very polite and tolerant...merry xmas

23 hours ago, cyberfarang said:

But according to the report the Muslim woman was not a customer. I felt sorry for the staff caught between the altercation. According to many Thais I have spoken with, Thais don`t particularly like middle easterners, they think they`re loud, rude and obnoxious. 

I agree sometimes they get pushed around from obnoxious foriengers ,but there in lies the ''difernece between a professional and a nonpro''...tolerance compassion and understanding...(thais already have the smile NAILED)..merry xmas

Edited December 19, 20178 yr by mok199
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1 hour ago, TKDfella said:

Yes I understand your critique but by the same token you have done the same in 'I wager she must have done something...'. Since there is no way to substantiate your 'wager' given the present evidence either. Like mine, it is just an opinion.

True, my view is just an opinion, but I have rarely seen a middle-class Thai get so visibly angry in the daytime in a restaurant as that man. That makes me think the woman must have said something unacceptable. And then she spits out a four letter word in English. Again, unusual I think for a middle aged Muslim woman in a wheelchair.

What did she say before?

Some of the posts on here are pretty naive.

The world now has more hate for others then any time in history.

Heck, just say you are from a certain state or city and people will hate you.

 

There is another thread about Thais complaining that they do not like Arabs, Indians, or Chinese.

 

Thais can and will be very racist and discriminate just like everybody else in the world.

It happens 100's of times a day just drive down 2nd or Beach road and get stopped by the cops because you are not Thai.

 

Hate and racism is the real world folks.  Like it or not.

1 hour ago, mok199 said:

what ever happened to compassion,understanding and tolerance ...ITS CHRISTMAS...

Seems Christmas is in danger of being cancelled in some countries soon because of the PC pressure from those of a non-Christian religion being upset by it.  That is, along with the support from all the bleeding hearts that think we should accept what those from other countries demand or be branded as xenophobic and/or racist.

Just now, AboutThaim said:

Seems Christmas is in danger of being cancelled in some countries soon because of the PC pressure from those of a non-Christian religion being upset by it.  That is, along with the support from all the bleeding hearts that think we should accept what those from other countries demand or be branded as xenophobic and/or racist.

Which countries that celebrate Christmas are banning it or under pressure to do so?

1 hour ago, Bluespunk said:

Which countries that celebrate Christmas are banning it or under pressure to do so?

Saudi Arabia?

19 minutes ago, HLover said:

Saudi Arabia?

You know, I don’t think they celebrate it there, nor do they have any history of celebrating it.

 

So how can they be under pressure to ban it?

 

Come on AboutThaim, enlighten us...

Edited December 19, 20178 yr by Bluespunk

Next time she will come back with a suicide belt .   

 

On 12/18/2017 at 9:07 AM, keith101 said:

If she wasn't in there to eat she shouldn't have been in there and i agree with the men in telling her to get out , probably trying to use the wheelchair for sympathy just to take a short cut through the hotel and what isn't said is whether she was staying in the hotel . 

Nothing to do with her being Muslim or not just not showing respect .

Actually unless I am in error I believe the article stated she was staying at the hotel, but switching rooms. I don't understand why hotel staff was not assisting her. Maybe she was just a b***h and no one wanted to deal with her. 

13 hours ago, mok199 said:

what ever happened to compassion,understanding and tolerance ...ITS CHRISTMAS...

And this is Thailand, so what has Christmas got to do with it? 

28 minutes ago, Artisi said:

And this is Thailand, so what has Christmas got to do with it? 

You try telling that to the wife or girlfriend next Monday.

18 hours ago, Bluespunk said:

It doesn’t. 

ROFL.   Well, your arrogance aside, that's one vote in the Doesn't column...  

15 minutes ago, hawker9000 said:

ROFL.   Well, your arrogance aside, that's one vote in the Doesn't column...  

No. 

 

It’s the truth. 

11 minutes ago, Bluespunk said:

No. 

 

It’s the truth. 

Get a grip.  It's your opinion.

20 minutes ago, hawker9000 said:

Get a grip.  It's your opinion.

I have a grip. 

 

I also can recognise those (you in this case) who don’t. 

 

Your posts on Islam are ones I continuously find reprehensible, deliberately divisive and at times nauseating. 

Edited December 20, 20178 yr by Bluespunk
Making my opinion clear

13 hours ago, bannork said:

True, my view is just an opinion, but I have rarely seen a middle-class Thai get so visibly angry in the daytime in a restaurant as that man. That makes me think the woman must have said something unacceptable. And then she spits out a four letter word in English. Again, unusual I think for a middle aged Muslim woman in a wheelchair.

What did she say before?

Agreed.

On 12/19/2017 at 11:14 AM, Bluespunk said:

Nonsense. 

maybe you only look newspaper Thailand ? look whats happening in Belgium, France , England etc,open your eyes

It's true- I have rarely seen a middle class Thai person confront another person directly while raising their voice and also pointing at the person.

A few observations- the disabled lady- to my knowledge did not curse and I listened to the video many times- she became angry when the Tha man pointed at her and raised his voice- however what led to that is unknown.

There is no indication the disabled lady was not staying in the hotel- she was chastised for using the restaurant as entry and exit .

 

I will stick with my first and second post- which stated that the whole incident was badly handled-

1.  the customer is always right and she should never have been stopped once inside the restaurant but escorted quickly out. Time elapsed- 10 second.  If there was an objection- the Hotel Manager should have called the disabled lady aside in his office and explained issues of why it would be more proper to use the ramp (hopefully the hotel had a handicapped ramp) and bring up issues of insurance and liability.

 

2. If Number 1 had occurred the rest would have never happened- the disabled woman would have been out within seconds mostly not even noticed by the other patrons. 

 

3.  Anyone involved in this incident needs to be counseled by the Hotel Manager and that includes the  restaurant manager on how to handle demanding and rude customers.. If this was my hotel- I would have provided a free room to the disabled lady and a free meal to any patron in the restaurant and explained to the staff why I was doing it. In addition, there is no room in the workplace for people who are overtly racist; overtly prejudiced and overtly discriminatory- leave all this at home- don't bring it into the workplace. If you do- you should be fired.

 

You just cannot have this type of disruption in public in any type of business open to the public.  This lady will tell 100 other people what happened and those people will tell 100 more etc.

 

As a side note-  the disabled ladies religion; here country of origin and  any other extraneous information about her is not relevant.  This situation and some of the response are a sad commentary on the state of the World- denigrating a person because she is disabled; denigrating her origin and denigrating her religious beliefs