Lumbini Posted January 17, 2018 Share Posted January 17, 2018 Seems like a great option so Thailand can get more than just retired people moving here long term . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wobalt Posted January 17, 2018 Share Posted January 17, 2018 12 minutes ago, Get Real said: The problem here is that it actually, unfortunately, looks like this only regards employment in a already existing Thai company. As I assume you will fall under working and not investment. Well, i worked more than 10 years as expert/specialist in Thailand in one of these categories. From my experience it will be quite difficult to find a private company which is willing to pay such high salary in a long-term contract. The big guys - perhaps , but are they the target employers here ? Working in Thai government related organisations and agency has the same challenge. In my case they paid 10% of my salary, rest comes from funding abroad ..Innovation and such expert work should be independent from the level of the salary, but dependent from expertise and knowledge. I personally switched to consultant based services, worked and paid based on project milestone . This makes me independent from obstacles from organisational structures within companies and alike, but capable to provide a better support to them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCOTT FITZGERSLD Posted January 17, 2018 Share Posted January 17, 2018 9 hours ago, khwaibah said: What nothing for a owning a bar or a massage parlor. you have to take it to the new generation S-CURVE, like inventing a massage app that will adjust the hand pressures to the customers body curves, or a high-tech bar with sensors in the glasses, that will tell when a customer is about to finish his drink. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCOTT FITZGERSLD Posted January 17, 2018 Share Posted January 17, 2018 (edited) 6 hours ago, Lumbini said: Seems like a great option so Thailand can get more than just retired people moving here long term . well, to attract international talents, a country has to offer more than just visas. d. Edited January 17, 2018 by SCOTT FITZGERSLD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hobobo Posted January 17, 2018 Share Posted January 17, 2018 2 hours ago, Guemlum said: I have a selection of very expensive watches. Do I qualify? Only if I can borrow them from time to time... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
starchild5 Posted January 17, 2018 Share Posted January 17, 2018 (edited) I waited for this visa for like Six months, since the news came around August and I NEVER EVER thought I would be this disappointed. IT IS THE SAME STATUS QUO as was BEFORE Where is the Equation with RISK... The IT Industry was BUILT on RISK not on Laws and Status Quo. Where is the Mavericks Visa? Mavericks built the entire internet not people who love 9 to 5 jobs ... No Country wants to take Risk on Human Ingenuity...Even if 100 People Fail...Thailand needs one guy to succeed and put the country on Map..Like how Skype was invented in Estonia and now Estonia is the second most popular start up country in Europe with a population of just 1.3 million. I can't work in Europe due to Cold Climate which my body cannot handle it properly as i get sick most of the time there. Thailand will FAIL in this as many have noted as most likely people who could succeed are 20 year olds with no 200k Salary and No PH.D background... Bottom Line..MONEY RULES...Not Creativity...Smart Visa Puts you in Reverse Gear With Everything with the meaning of what Renovation Stands for.. A guy who has 200k / month Salary ...WHY WOULD HE THINK HARD to Innovate anything ..lol.....Necessity is the mother of invention.....This visa is a JOKE to me personally as far as Innovation is concerned Apple, Microsoft, Google were all built in a garage ...those guys never had 200k THB/month salary Edited January 17, 2018 by starchild5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Time Traveller Posted January 17, 2018 Share Posted January 17, 2018 Could these "next generation" workers not get visas under the current system ? Or is this just some marketing hype pretending to be news? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BernieOnTour Posted January 17, 2018 Share Posted January 17, 2018 2 hours ago, Morakot said: Here lies the contradiction. 6 hours ago, webfact said: The government estimated less than 1,000 people would apply for the smart visas so the would not affect the local labour market, Kobsak said. They might be astonished about getting a far higher number of visa applications then just 1000 ... Chinese investing those ~650k $ in "targeted industries", silently pulling their money out and investing in other assets after they have got their papers, and at the same time, "their spouses and children can move and work in Thailand"... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Time Traveller Posted January 17, 2018 Share Posted January 17, 2018 8 minutes ago, starchild5 said: I waited for this visa for like Six months, since the news came around August and I NEVER EVER thought I would be this disappointed. IT IS THE SAME STATUS QUO as was BEFORE Where is the Equation with RISK... The IT Industry was BUILT on RISK not on Laws and Status Quo. Where is the Mavericks Visa? Mavericks built the entire internet not people who love 9 to 5 jobs ... No Country wants to take Risk on Human Ingenuity...Even if 100 People Fail...Thailand needs one guy to succeed and put the country on Map..Like how Skype was invented in Estonia and now Estonia is the second most popular start up country in Europe with a population of just 1.3 million. I can't work in Europe due to Cold Climate which my body cannot handle it properly as i get sick most of the time there. Thailand will FAIL in this as many have noted as most likely people who could succeed are 20 year olds with no 200k Salary and No PH.D background... Bottom Line..MONEY RULES...Not Creativity...Smart Visa Puts you in Reverse Gear With Everything with the meaning of what Renovation Stands for.. A guy who has 200k / month Salary ...WHY WOULD HE THINK HARD to Innovate anything ..lol.....Necessity is the mother of invention.....This visa is a JOKE to me personally as far as Innovation is concerned Apple, Microsoft, Google were all built in a garage ...those guys never had 200k THB/month salary So, go to America. You're looking for something that doesn't exist in Thailand, then you get disappointed when you don't find it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BernieOnTour Posted January 17, 2018 Share Posted January 17, 2018 21 minutes ago, starchild5 said: Mavericks built the entire internet ... No, they didn't. The ARPANET was built based on contracts from the Department of Defense. The WWW was invented by the scientist Berners-Lee at CERN, a huge research center. 23 minutes ago, starchild5 said: WHY WOULD HE THINK HARD to Innovate anything .. It's not about innovation from the scratch. It's about applying IoT, Big Data, AI,... etc. in the industry. 23 minutes ago, starchild5 said: Apple, Microsoft, Google were all built in a garage ...those guys never had 200k THB/month salary Sorry, it seems, you are 30 years too late ... Nowadays, Start-Ups normally do not start in a garage, but are founded with enormous amounts of venture capital. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alex8912 Posted January 17, 2018 Share Posted January 17, 2018 3 hours ago, Morakot said: Here lies the contradiction. Lol. Are you inferring that the person who made up this new one is currently on a "dumb visa"? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NorthernRyland Posted January 17, 2018 Share Posted January 17, 2018 Honest question, who makes 200k/month in Thailand? I wonder how many actual positions paying that much even exist in the entire country. This sounds like a hyper specialized visa for an extremely small minority of people. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
micmichd Posted January 17, 2018 Share Posted January 17, 2018 3 hours ago, wobalt said: Already have for 25 years Sent from my iPad using Thailand Forum - Thaivisa mobile app Bangkok Post says a work permit will not be required "if certain conditions are met" (whatever that means) So, your current marriage visa might be sufficient. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCOTT FITZGERSLD Posted January 17, 2018 Share Posted January 17, 2018 6 hours ago, genericptr said: Honest question, who makes 200k/month in Thailand? I wonder how many actual positions paying that much even exist in the entire country. This sounds like a hyper specialized visa for an extremely small minority of people. people who make 200K a month don't sit and write all day in thai visa Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NorthernRyland Posted January 17, 2018 Share Posted January 17, 2018 27 minutes ago, BernieOnTour said: The WWW was invented by the scientist Berners-Lee at CERN, a huge research center. This is a common line I hear from people who don't actually know how the internet works. That was just the mere inception but all the interesting stuff came later and it's development was (and still is) extremely decentralized and contributions across all the various software and hardware layers are LEGION. It would take months to properly document the actual history in full. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HooHaa Posted January 17, 2018 Share Posted January 17, 2018 5 hours ago, Maejo Man said: Seems like another "Elite card" in the making how? i see no similarities, eligibility is based on earnings and skill set and not purchased. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FritsSikkink Posted January 17, 2018 Share Posted January 17, 2018 1 hour ago, starchild5 said: I waited for this visa for like Six months, since the news came around August and I NEVER EVER thought I would be this disappointed. IT IS THE SAME STATUS QUO as was BEFORE Where is the Equation with RISK... The IT Industry was BUILT on RISK not on Laws and Status Quo. Where is the Mavericks Visa? Mavericks built the entire internet not people who love 9 to 5 jobs ... No Country wants to take Risk on Human Ingenuity...Even if 100 People Fail...Thailand needs one guy to succeed and put the country on Map..Like how Skype was invented in Estonia and now Estonia is the second most popular start up country in Europe with a population of just 1.3 million. I can't work in Europe due to Cold Climate which my body cannot handle it properly as i get sick most of the time there. Thailand will FAIL in this as many have noted as most likely people who could succeed are 20 year olds with no 200k Salary and No PH.D background... Bottom Line..MONEY RULES...Not Creativity...Smart Visa Puts you in Reverse Gear With Everything with the meaning of what Renovation Stands for.. A guy who has 200k / month Salary ...WHY WOULD HE THINK HARD to Innovate anything ..lol.....Necessity is the mother of invention.....This visa is a JOKE to me personally as far as Innovation is concerned Apple, Microsoft, Google were all built in a garage ...those guys never had 200k THB/month salary What have you build so far ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hupaponics Posted January 17, 2018 Share Posted January 17, 2018 2 hours ago, Lumbini said: Seems like a great option so Thailand can get more than just retired people moving here long term . Exactly. Thailand don't need more diluted and whining retirees playing with younger gals (in legal age). This is a good move I'd say. Finally folks with proper knowledge can come and provide with some new technology. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marqus12 Posted January 17, 2018 Share Posted January 17, 2018 4 minutes ago, Hupaponics said: Exactly. Thailand don't need more diluted and whining retirees playing with younger gals (in legal age). This is a good move I'd say. Finally folks with proper knowledge can come and provide with some new technology. Yeah...great achievements. China introduces 10-year visas for specialists. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Briggsy Posted January 17, 2018 Share Posted January 17, 2018 I don't really see any "lure" with this. What is the hidden agenda here? Is it to do with the Chinese? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hupaponics Posted January 17, 2018 Share Posted January 17, 2018 2 minutes ago, marqus12 said: Yeah...great achievements. China introduces 10-year visas for specialists. And you can see the results don't you? This is the first step to bring non wrinkled people to the country that actually can contribute with some technology. Like it or not. It's happening;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wake Up Posted January 17, 2018 Share Posted January 17, 2018 6 hours ago, gunderhill said: I'm sure they'll love having to report their whereabouts every 90 days...........for 20 million!! I am sure the people we are taking about will never see Chang Watthana. Companies have administrative assistants and they keep all the executives and their families happy by doing all the time consuming errands. ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wake Up Posted January 17, 2018 Share Posted January 17, 2018 Why is there such anger at people that go to college, work hard and make great wages at stressful jobs? Not as easy as it looks or everyone would do it. And no one cares what a bunch of guys that don’t qualify financially think. These visa holders are not going to have the same visa hassles as you because they are more wanted by the Thai government on a needed basis and have personal assistants and lots of income. Pure economics nothing personal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wake Up Posted January 17, 2018 Share Posted January 17, 2018 5 hours ago, 1337markus said: How amazing the whole project is about money they can try and manipulate not the jobs that need to be undertaken. What world did you grow up in? Capitalism is about money all over the world. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wake Up Posted January 17, 2018 Share Posted January 17, 2018 3 hours ago, starchild5 said: I waited for this visa for like Six months, since the news came around August and I NEVER EVER thought I would be this disappointed. IT IS THE SAME STATUS QUO as was BEFORE Where is the Equation with RISK... The IT Industry was BUILT on RISK not on Laws and Status Quo. Where is the Mavericks Visa? Mavericks built the entire internet not people who love 9 to 5 jobs ... No Country wants to take Risk on Human Ingenuity...Even if 100 People Fail...Thailand needs one guy to succeed and put the country on Map..Like how Skype was invented in Estonia and now Estonia is the second most popular start up country in Europe with a population of just 1.3 million. I can't work in Europe due to Cold Climate which my body cannot handle it properly as i get sick most of the time there. Thailand will FAIL in this as many have noted as most likely people who could succeed are 20 year olds with no 200k Salary and No PH.D background... Bottom Line..MONEY RULES...Not Creativity...Smart Visa Puts you in Reverse Gear With Everything with the meaning of what Renovation Stands for.. A guy who has 200k / month Salary ...WHY WOULD HE THINK HARD to Innovate anything ..lol.....Necessity is the mother of invention.....This visa is a JOKE to me personally as far as Innovation is concerned Apple, Microsoft, Google were all built in a garage ...those guys never had 200k THB/month salary Nothing personal. But given the odds of you or anyone else starting the next Apple, Google or Amazon, as a government official in charge of the EEC and the Thai economy I would choose to welcome all the 200,000 baht a month executives that I can possibly attract. Peace. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hupaponics Posted January 17, 2018 Share Posted January 17, 2018 4 hours ago, starchild5 said: I waited for this visa for like Six months, since the news came around August and I NEVER EVER thought I would be this disappointed. IT IS THE SAME STATUS QUO as was BEFORE Where is the Equation with RISK... The IT Industry was BUILT on RISK not on Laws and Status Quo. Where is the Mavericks Visa? Mavericks built the entire internet not people who love 9 to 5 jobs ... No Country wants to take Risk on Human Ingenuity...Even if 100 People Fail...Thailand needs one guy to succeed and put the country on Map..Like how Skype was invented in Estonia and now Estonia is the second most popular start up country in Europe with a population of just 1.3 million. I can't work in Europe due to Cold Climate which my body cannot handle it properly as i get sick most of the time there. Thailand will FAIL in this as many have noted as most likely people who could succeed are 20 year olds with no 200k Salary and No PH.D background... Bottom Line..MONEY RULES...Not Creativity...Smart Visa Puts you in Reverse Gear With Everything with the meaning of what Renovation Stands for.. A guy who has 200k / month Salary ...WHY WOULD HE THINK HARD to Innovate anything ..lol.....Necessity is the mother of invention.....This visa is a JOKE to me personally as far as Innovation is concerned Apple, Microsoft, Google were all built in a garage ...those guys never had 200k THB/month salary Correct me if I'm wrong mate. This visa has nothing to do with IT "The five New S-Curve industries are automation and robotics, aviation and logistics, biochemicals and eco-friendly petrochemicals, digital businesses, and medical hubs" I'm heading for the biochemicals in the near future;) And while we are on it, SKYPE is not Estonian invention... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CanuckThai Posted January 17, 2018 Share Posted January 17, 2018 The more Thailand can do to attract/entice talented thinkers and producers, the more it will benefit. Too bad, they rape, pillage and salt the fields, every step of the way. Foreign startups here are saddled with, uhmmm...lets say Thai, baht hungry partners, that can be,.....very Thai (demanding) in "their" accounting and "shareholder disbursements"......was that politically correct enough? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
starchild5 Posted January 17, 2018 Share Posted January 17, 2018 2 hours ago, Hupaponics said: Correct me if I'm wrong mate. This visa has nothing to do with IT "The five New S-Curve industries are automation and robotics, aviation and logistics, biochemicals and eco-friendly petrochemicals, digital businesses, and medical hubs" I'm heading for the biochemicals in the near future;) And while we are on it, SKYPE is not Estonian invention... The NEW S-Curve Z-Curve or All Curve Would Need Big Data and Cloud Computing..Without IT no Automation or Robotics would take off....Digital Business is IT ..duh??? Yes, We are on it and SKYPE was Developed in Estonia so is Transferwise Skype at 10: How an Estonian startup transformed itself (and the world) https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/stories/skype/skype-chapter-2-welcome-to-estonia.aspx Tallinn: The Former Soviet City That Gave Birth To Skype https://www.npr.org/sections/parallels/2013/06/12/190693661/tallinn-the-former-soviet-city-that-gave-birth-to-skype Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hupaponics Posted January 17, 2018 Share Posted January 17, 2018 3 hours ago, starchild5 said: The NEW S-Curve Z-Curve or All Curve Would Need Big Data and Cloud Computing..Without IT no Automation or Robotics would take off....Digital Business is IT ..duh??? Yes, We are on it and SKYPE was Developed in Estonia so is Transferwise Skype at 10: How an Estonian startup transformed itself (and the world) https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/stories/skype/skype-chapter-2-welcome-to-estonia.aspx Tallinn: The Former Soviet City That Gave Birth To Skype https://www.npr.org/sections/parallels/2013/06/12/190693661/tallinn-the-former-soviet-city-that-gave-birth-to-skype Kap kap kap From your link "In 2001 and 2002, Niklas Zennström, a Swede, and Janus Friis, a Dane, were developing peer-to-peer technology with some Estonian engineering whizzes" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JackThompson Posted January 17, 2018 Share Posted January 17, 2018 11 hours ago, starchild5 said: most likely people who could succeed are 20 year olds with no 200k Salary Yep, looks like Thailand just handed Vietnam a big prize. I guess they want Vietnam to be the place the next generation of entrepreneurs build great tech. Or maybe key players "benefit" from the existing, corrupted visa-system, so don't want any changes for the "good of the country" - just the status-quo, for the good of brown-envelopes. 11 hours ago, Time Traveller said: So, go to America. You're looking for something that doesn't exist in Thailand, then you get disappointed when you don't find it. If I had a time-machine, I would. No point going there now, to pay high-overhead for a lousy quality of life. There are many nicer places to live where the Internet is available (and that's all you need). If coming from a low-wage / impoverished-nation, it may be both tempting and accessible - because the alternative is even worse - and there are an abundance of "American" (traitor) companies willing to throw American-citizen college-grad's lives into the trash-can, in order to hire a low-paid, indentured-servant type worker on a visa, instead. I was hoping this visa would open up opportunities for some of those young Americans (and from other countries) with degrees, ability, etc - but no - clearly not. They are leaving the USA in droves, and will form their businesses in other countries, instead. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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