George FmplesdaCosteedback Posted January 27, 2018 Share Posted January 27, 2018 (edited) On 1/26/2018 at 10:51 AM, altcar bob said: And it was 400 baht where I went (colonoscopy) You could well say this....under year ago 5 days hospital india laser op prostate, ....(friend) frightened off by Thai prices flew UK,prob went private about 8000 gbp, I had the op for half what his air fare was and Im pissing better than what falls off Niagra Good for you, but airfare to India etc? Edited January 27, 2018 by George FmplesdaCosteedback Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
altcar bob Posted January 28, 2018 Share Posted January 28, 2018 3 hours ago, George FmplesdaCosteedback said: Good for you, but airfare to India etc? Now you know,you do know its easier to look Kayak,Airasia or whatever than asking me....but yes I am going over next couple of months for heart/cancer scans, airfares for nearest point about 6 to 7 thousand baht,prob cheaper when I eventually book (Calcutta,Kolcutta) just look up medifee for that city for choice ,get skin cancer bowel GI heart stress tested echo tested far cheaper than Thailand visa about 40 usd Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JSixpack Posted January 28, 2018 Share Posted January 28, 2018 (edited) 2 hours ago, altcar bob said: Now you know,you do know its easier to look Kayak,Airasia or whatever than asking me....but yes I am going over next couple of months for heart/cancer scans, airfares for nearest point about 6 to 7 thousand baht,prob cheaper when I eventually book (Calcutta,Kolcutta) just look up medifee for that city for choice ,get skin cancer bowel GI heart stress tested echo tested far cheaper than Thailand visa about 40 usd member loppylugs1, who's thankfully been leaving us in peace for some time now, used to go on obsessively about heading to India for cheap healthcare. Trouble is, he like all of our India healthcare advocates seldom identified the hospitals in India providing it. I seem to recall that the times I've googled & looked at credible (I suppose) Indian hsps online, the prices didn't seem that dissimilar from Thai prices. So I think our Indian patients should be required to name names. Edited January 28, 2018 by JSixpack 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
altcar bob Posted January 28, 2018 Share Posted January 28, 2018 (edited) 21 minutes ago, JSixpack said: member loppylugs1, who's been leaving us in peace for some time now, used to go on about heading to India for cheap healthcare. Trouble is, he like all of our India healthcare advocates seldom identify the hospitals in India providing it. I seem to recall that the times I've googled & looked at credible (I suppose) Indian hsps online, the prices didn't seem that dissimilar from Thai prices. So I think our Indian patients should be required to name names. Medifee (India) Will further this too...ring around local hospitals offering same-same treatments as medifee site, decent reduction obtained there too Edited January 28, 2018 by altcar bob 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thaibeachlovers Posted January 28, 2018 Share Posted January 28, 2018 On 1/27/2018 at 4:27 PM, The manic said: The cost of a sickly population is damaging to the economy. After a heart transplant for example a man can continue working, caring for family and paying taxes. The cost of expensive operations is offset by those people who do not have them. There has to be a better system than the NHS and the Inhumane USA system. Thaxin's attempts were a modest step in the right direction. No, the cost of expensive operations in an organisation like the NHS is offset by making people with minor problems that could be relatively easily fixed with no expensive follow up wait a long time in a queue, and by keeping patients in Victorian buildings with shoddy cleaning services. There is a finite amount of money available, and Drs like doing big expensive procedures more than cheap routine ones that would help more people. I worked in the NHS and am well aware of what goes on in it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thaibeachlovers Posted January 28, 2018 Share Posted January 28, 2018 16 hours ago, oldlakey said: The reason the Thai doctor did not have an answer after a one night stay was because of his OWN admission that he could not interpret the scan results The hospital is wholly at fault for performing the scan when they were well aware that they did not have a doctor / medical professional on site capable of delivering the expertise needed Just because the Thai Dr could not see a problem on those scan results does not mean that he could not interpret scan results. One should remember that procedures are often done to rule out a problem, and that could be the case here. Unless the OP can speak fluent Thai, there is always the chance of misunderstanding. Anyway, it takes a specialist to determine what some scans mean, not a generalist, which is why they have specialists, but obviously a specialist will not always be on duty Even I could interpret an EKG as long as it wasn't showing a problem. Unless the OP can say that a later scan did find a problem, this is IMO unfair to the Dr. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thaibeachlovers Posted January 28, 2018 Share Posted January 28, 2018 12 hours ago, George FmplesdaCosteedback said: I think you are both correct (yourself and BL). NHS is extremely badly organised and fatally managed. Funded by tax and prescription charges etc and abused in the UK by millions that have never paid in. Smokers/drinkers you can argue about (on topic), but they pay in huge amounts to the coffers, and all the obese people do not. As medical science progresses to extend life expectancy, like the recent pensions plan law, a health plan insurance should be introduced also, but not like the laughable NI stamps, dedicated and ring fenced. Basic healthcare is essential for a modern society, but should not include gender change or IVF. You can get good medical care in Thailand and with a bit of research you can get it for a fair price at a good hospital, although you might have a longer wait (but never like the NHS). Glad that you agree with me on gender change/ fertility treatment. One has always to remember that Drs are human and want to do everything, even if it should not be paid for by the taxpayer. Politicians should be the gatekeepers, but they fold every time a media campaign comes out with some photos of some unfortunate. Unfortunately, politicians know sod all about medicine, being mainly lawyers. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
balo Posted January 28, 2018 Share Posted January 28, 2018 10 pages and not a word from the OP. I hope he is doing alright. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldlakey Posted January 28, 2018 Share Posted January 28, 2018 3 hours ago, balo said: 10 pages and not a word from the OP. I hope he is doing alright. hopefully its cheered him up no end 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldlakey Posted January 28, 2018 Share Posted January 28, 2018 4 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said: Just because the Thai Dr could not see a problem on those scan results does not mean that he could not interpret scan results. One should remember that procedures are often done to rule out a problem, and that could be the case here. Unless the OP can speak fluent Thai, there is always the chance of misunderstanding. Anyway, it takes a specialist to determine what some scans mean, not a generalist, which is why they have specialists, but obviously a specialist will not always be on duty Even I could interpret an EKG as long as it wasn't showing a problem. Unless the OP can say that a later scan did find a problem, this is IMO unfair to the Dr. Try reading the OP By the Thai doctors OWN admission how often do you need to be TOLD 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thaibeachlovers Posted January 29, 2018 Share Posted January 29, 2018 13 hours ago, oldlakey said: Try reading the OP By the Thai doctors OWN admission how often do you need to be TOLD Unless the OP can speak fluent Thai, there is always the chance of misunderstanding. Do you know that the OP speaks fluent Thai? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keithpa Posted January 29, 2018 Share Posted January 29, 2018 16 hours ago, oldlakey said: hopefully its cheered him up no end Considering comments are now all of topic by a thousand miles,why would he make any more comments. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldlakey Posted January 29, 2018 Share Posted January 29, 2018 5 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said: Unless the OP can speak fluent Thai, there is always the chance of misunderstanding. Do you know that the OP speaks fluent Thai? Another one grasping at straws to defend the indefensible, dont worry I have an adequate supply Exactly what is wrong with you 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldlakey Posted January 29, 2018 Share Posted January 29, 2018 2 hours ago, keithpa said: Considering comments are now all of topic by a thousand miles,why would he make any more comments. Well to answer your question, I have no idea Bearing in mind he has almost two thousand posts under his belt, I would suggest he had more than an inkling what was heading his way Thats why he has done a runner and who can blame him Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
altcar bob Posted January 29, 2018 Share Posted January 29, 2018 The OP did leave Thailand well under two years ago looking like a permanent move, flogged all his stuff off, car etc. Seemed to have re-invented himself, returned, only to fall by the wayside again Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
talahtnut Posted January 29, 2018 Share Posted January 29, 2018 Your UK doctor will probably be Indian, Pakistani, even Thai. You will have to wait, and may get a bed in the corridor. No doctor knows everything, looks like you need a specialist..as the Thai Doc recommended. If you need to sell your stuff quickly..see an auctioneer..some can handle the legal side too. Eat a healthy diet, and good luck for the future. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldlakey Posted January 30, 2018 Share Posted January 30, 2018 8 hours ago, talahtnut said: Your UK doctor will probably be Indian, Pakistani, even Thai. You will have to wait, and may get a bed in the corridor. No doctor knows everything, looks like you need a specialist..as the Thai Doc recommended. If you need to sell your stuff quickly..see an auctioneer..some can handle the legal side too. Eat a healthy diet, and good luck for the future. A competent doctor would be a atart, plus a hospital that did not undertake procedures when competent medical staff where not on hand 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
altcar bob Posted January 30, 2018 Share Posted January 30, 2018 It is tantamount to this.....car has a clunking sound coming from the engine,take it to a garage,mechanic gets his diagnostic tools out,pores over it for a night,comes up with the conclusion he knows nothing,cannot fix ...and shoves you with a bill of 35000 , same -same white coated shyster in hospital ,in no short order both would be told to fkuc off . Now I know the OP was a bit prissy one particular subject, perhaps that was what caught him out Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
talahtnut Posted January 30, 2018 Share Posted January 30, 2018 17 hours ago, altcar bob said: It is tantamount to this.....car has a clunking sound coming from the engine,take it to a garage,mechanic gets his diagnostic tools out,pores over it for a night,comes up with the conclusion he knows nothing,cannot fix ...and shoves you with a bill of 35000 , same -same white coated shyster in hospital ,in no short order both would be told to fkuc off . Now I know the OP was a bit prissy one particular subject, perhaps that was what caught him out Thats an interesting analogy..A dizzy cap for a Rolls Royce is the same as a Rover V8..but price is much higher. Its a fact of life that we are all being ripped of every day in some way or other. Might do better seeing a vet! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thaibeachlovers Posted January 30, 2018 Share Posted January 30, 2018 (edited) 3 hours ago, oldlakey said: A competent doctor would be a atart, plus a hospital that did not undertake procedures when competent medical staff where not on hand Have you ever worked in a hospital on the medical side? Edited January 30, 2018 by thaibeachlovers 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thaibeachlovers Posted January 30, 2018 Share Posted January 30, 2018 3 hours ago, altcar bob said: It is tantamount to this.....car has a clunking sound coming from the engine,take it to a garage,mechanic gets his diagnostic tools out,pores over it for a night,comes up with the conclusion he knows nothing,cannot fix ...and shoves you with a bill of 35000 , same -same white coated shyster in hospital ,in no short order both would be told to fkuc off . Now I know the OP was a bit prissy one particular subject, perhaps that was what caught him out Even if he can't fix the car, you have to pay for his time, and any tests he did. If you don't like the price of such, don't use that garage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post oldlakey Posted January 30, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted January 30, 2018 6 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said: Have you ever worked in a hospital on the medical side? Wot I have been a patient a time or two, on two occasions in a life or death situation I am still alive and kicking because of the competence of the medical staff and caring nature of the hospitals concerned One a surgeon the other a neurologist I have absolutely no time for hospitals who perform procedures for nothing other than to increase the size of the bill What is the point of a scan with no outcome except NO OUTCOME You are quite welcome to your opinion of the performance of this doctor and hospital, it wont change mine Have a nice day 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lopburi3 Posted January 30, 2018 Share Posted January 30, 2018 Tests are done to rule out things as much as to rule them in. As I understand doctor could see nothing in tests to indicate reason for symptoms but admitted he was not an authority on such. Patient traveled to UK and NHS doctor seemed to also have not formed a diagnosis other that it appeared serious and may require hospital stay. I would expect this second doctor had full access to previous tests and a few more days into condition but still did not know exactly what the problem was. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldlakey Posted January 30, 2018 Share Posted January 30, 2018 3 minutes ago, lopburi3 said: Tests are done to rule out things as much as to rule them in. As I understand doctor could see nothing in tests to indicate reason for symptoms but admitted he was not an authority on such. Patient traveled to UK and NHS doctor seemed to also have not formed a diagnosis other that it appeared serious and may require hospital stay. I would expect this second doctor had full access to previous tests and a few more days into condition but still did not know exactly what the problem was. The OP said quite clearly that the Thai doctor said that he did not possess the expertise to understand the scan results, and as such the OP was discharged Not quite what you are saying now is it If you dont know or understand what you are looking at you wont see anything will you Why is that so difficult to understand I would have been more than jacked off in his position 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rimmer Posted January 30, 2018 Share Posted January 30, 2018 Some off topic posts that are now hijacking the topic have been removed. Topic is not about British serial killers or MRIs and oxygen tanks in Mumbai. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scorecard Posted January 31, 2018 Share Posted January 31, 2018 On 1/23/2018 at 2:07 AM, jerry921 said: It seems to me the doctor was honest in that he admitted that he didn't understand the problem. About the cost I dunno, do the doctors have anything to do with how much is billed or do they just order the tests and leave the billing up to administration? Who knows, one possibility is that every doctor must earn certain revenue for the hospital every day / week etc. If that's true maybe the doctor does have some influence on the bill. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
janclaes47 Posted January 31, 2018 Share Posted January 31, 2018 On 23/01/2018 at 12:37 AM, brling said: On 22/01/2018 at 9:06 PM, The manic said: It is unlikely the UK doctors can do more than the Thai doctors. Pathetic reply, the Thai doctors "could not even analyse the findings", and charged him 35,000 baht. Why you say pathetic? Didn't you notice that he even was able to diagnose the OP by just reading his post? He must be a genius. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The manic Posted January 31, 2018 Share Posted January 31, 2018 1 hour ago, janclaes47 said: Why you say pathetic? Didn't you notice that he even was able to diagnose the OP by just reading his post? He must be a genius. I have been in hospitals and received medical treatment in various countries for a variety of illnesses and serious accidents, some life threatening. About 11 times in 58 years. The best treatment was in Thailand the worst in the UK. I did not make a diagnosis but suggested a similarity to an often undiagnosed illness with similar characteristics. Trying to be helpful. Are you? Or just trying to be clever and not succeeding? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
George FmplesdaCosteedback Posted February 3, 2018 Share Posted February 3, 2018 On 1/28/2018 at 8:16 AM, altcar bob said: Now you know,you do know its easier to look Kayak,Airasia or whatever than asking me....but yes I am going over next couple of months for heart/cancer scans, airfares for nearest point about 6 to 7 thousand baht,prob cheaper when I eventually book (Calcutta,Kolcutta) just look up medifee for that city for choice ,get skin cancer bowel GI heart stress tested echo tested far cheaper than Thailand visa about 40 usd Thanks for the info. If I get sick it might prove useful. Everyone I know that has visited India has been sick from something they got there though, so I'm in no rush... Best of luck. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
altcar bob Posted February 4, 2018 Share Posted February 4, 2018 4 hours ago, George FmplesdaCosteedback said: Thanks for the info. If I get sick it might prove useful. Everyone I know that has visited India has been sick from something they got there though, so I'm in no rush... Best of luck. You are welcome....lifesaver India compared to Thailand,had a couple of ops s there at least one-tenth(more like one-twentieth) of Thailands charging regime. Can google, or facebook individual docs/hospitals see their worth,can not Thailand, they live by their reputation, here no clue. Two thousand baht there for scans Im having done... in Thailand in the 70 to 80 thousand baht range...but I would familiarise hospitals, nearest points there, emergency e visas etc , just in case urgent need 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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