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Jet grounds two pilots for Bangkok tail strike

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Jet grounds two pilots for Bangkok tail strike

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NEW DELHI: Jet Airways has grounded two pilots for a "tail strike" in Thailand last week. The incident reportedly happened when the airline's Boeing 737 was taking off from Bangkok for Delhi with over 160 people on board.


During take off, the plane's rear section of fuselage (main body of aircraft) hit the runway.


Confirming this, a Jet spokesman said: "Jet flight 9W 65 of January 19, 2018, from Bangkok to Delhi experienced a tailstrike. The Boeing 737-800 with eight crew and 155 guests, landed safely at Delhi. The aircraft was inspected and cleared for operations by the Jet Airways' engineering and safety team." "The airline has reported the event to the regulatory authorities and is also investigating the matter. As a standard practice, the crew of the flight have been placed off active duty to assist with the investigations. At Jet Airways, safety of our guests and crew is of paramount importance," he added.

 

Full story: https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/jet-grounds-two-pilots-for-bangkok-tail-strike/articleshow/62612623.cms

 

-- THE TIMES OF INDIA 2018-01-23

Last week 2 Indian pilots (male and female) were fighting in the cockpit and even went into the passengerdepartment to fight more there...

 

Both lost their jobs immediatly.

I have flown Jet many times Bangkok -Mumbai and every time the pilot comes out and spends a lot of time chatting up the air hostesses 

2 hours ago, HenryPattaya said:

I have flown Jet many times Bangkok -Mumbai and every time the pilot comes out and spends a lot of time chatting up the air hostesses 

Good choice of airline

 

I have no knowledge about this whatever, but my thoughts are that there would be warning bells / instruments showing that something is wrong / signals that the aircraft is about to strike the ground.

 

On the other hand perhaps some pilot members could whether a tail strike is  dangerous, very dangerous, can it lead to fire danger, can it lead to loss of control of the aircraft, etc? 

 

I wonder, if there is a tail strike does it throw the aircraft slope off and put the aircraft overall balance into some other danger territory?

Any pilots here? After the confirmed tail strike should he have not gone around and made an emergency landing in Bangkok as opposed to continue on to his destination??:shock1:

In 2002 a China Airlines 747-200 disintegrated at 20,000 feet after taking off from Taipei bound for Hong Kong killing all 280+ on board.  I was on a RTW tour and was originally scheduled to be on that flight but my schedule was changed 10 days before departure. I took the same flight 2 days earlier on the same aircraft. Lucky me.

Subsequent investigations found out the aircraft had had a tail strike on take off 15 years previously.  It had caused deep gouges in the rear fuselage skin.  China Air slapped a patch on it and never entered the repair in the maintenance log, thus it was never subjected to  periodic inspection. It just flexed away every cycle until it let go. 

A tail strike is always caused by one of two factors.

#1 Pilot error. The pilot pulls back on the stick too fast or attempts takeoff at too low speed. This can cause the tail to strike the ground.

#2 Improper aircraft loading causing a tail heavy condition or overloading.  If there is damage to the skin the aircraft is now unsafe to fly. Thus the flying handbook says in the event of tail skidding do not pressurize aircraft and immediately return to departure airport to land. Because this requires fuel dumping (on a 737) and of course delays the pilots were likely pushed to go on to Delhi by their despatch department.

 

One of the worst aviation disasters in history was caused because of a tailstrike in 1985  a planes back end blew up on a JAL flight to Osaka and the pilots lost control killing 500 plus people. A  tailstrike happened years earlier on the jet in question but Boeing engineers repaired the plane improperly and the skin ruptured this time damaging the control systems making the plane uncontrolable.

1 hour ago, maprao said:

Any pilots here? After the confirmed tail strike should he have not gone around and made an emergency landing in Bangkok as opposed to continue on to his destination??:shock1:

Seems the tail strike was not detected by the pilots...

 

According to the Aviation Herald it was only noticed on post flight inspection.

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The airline reported it was discovered after landing of their Boeing 737-800 flight 9W-65 of Jan 19th 2018 (which actually identifies a Boeing 737-900 registration VT-JBY) that the aircraft had struck its tail onto the runway in Bangkok. Maintenance examined the aircraft with no damage found and returned the aircraft to service. India's DGCA is investigating the occurrence. VT-JBY returned to service two hours after landing in Delhi.

India's DGCA reported however the incident took place on Jan 21st 2018. This would identify Boeing 737-900 registration VT-JLH departing Bangkok's runway 01R, this aircraft resumed service two hours after landing in Delhi, too.

http://avherald.com/h?article=4b3ff595&opt=0

 

The 737 has a tail skid and it will show if it has been scrapped, my thought are how do the know if it happened on take off or landing, presume the checked the flight data from the FDR

If the pilots did not know about the tail strike  but continued on anyway why were they rusticated?

 

I think they knew, were pressured by management to continue but are now being blamed,

 

Classic "scrape goats".

18 minutes ago, ChiangMaiLightning2143 said:

If the pilots did not know about the tail strike  but continued on anyway why were they rusticated?

 

I think they knew, were pressured by management to continue but are now being blamed,

 

Classic "scrape goats".

Where does it say they've been blamed? They've been taken off flying duties while the incident is investigated. By the way, I hope the investigation is given sufficient scope to examine the myriad annoying things that spontaneously occur on any given Jet Airways flight.

Edited by aboctok

11 hours ago, webfact said:

tail strike

 

Hey, be careful!  Some of the punters on here might think this means the working girls are on strike, causing major emotional trauma!

:smile:

 

 

If only people were aware of the number of incidents that occur daily in different airlines around the world, with no distinction of the country or nationality of the pilots, some would just never board on a aircraft !!

6 hours ago, ChiangMaiLightning2143 said:

If the pilots did not know about the tail strike  but continued on anyway why were they rusticated?

 

I think they knew, were pressured by management to continue but are now being blamed,

 

Classic "scrape goats".

Because their actions caused the tail-strike whether they knew it or not.

On some aircrafts (such as 737) the tail comes within inches of the tarmac every takeoff. Normal ops.Thus the tail skid. A light tailstrike is actually a non event the pilots will not know it even happened.

It does not require major maintenance. A strong tailstrike the kind that causes damage makes a loud bang or scraping sound which will at least alert the aft - Stewardesses. If the plane is pressurized it might blow up like the JAL flight. This thus begins required drill of EMERGENCY declaration fuel dumping, air return to departure airport. Pilot ostensibly de-rostered for retraining but I am worried they did know about the event when it happened. But were then pressured/ordered by their flight control to continue.

 

Have you ever worked for a big company your bosses tell you to do something later they screw you to save their own butts when the stuff hits the fan?:hit-the-fan:

 

 

Edited by ChiangMaiLightning2143

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Note some newer 737's have a tail skid -- presumably this one didn't have a skid (or if it did, maybe that's why he pressed on, normal procedure). Also, assuming they had all of runway 01R to use, no excuse for not adhering to the 10 degree rule, and flying it off the runway with no chance of a tail skid (see the article, above).

The tail skid is more an indicator than a protector though it helps prevent some damage,

The distance from the ground to the tail on a flaps 1 landing is 13cm,,,,,This is for a Boeing 737-800

 

Edited by harrry

20 hours ago, scorecard said:

 

I have no knowledge about this whatever, but my thoughts are that there would be warning bells / instruments showing that something is wrong / signals that the aircraft is about to strike the ground.

 

On the other hand perhaps some pilot members could whether a tail strike is  dangerous, very dangerous, can it lead to fire danger, can it lead to loss of control of the aircraft, etc? 

 

I wonder, if there is a tail strike does it throw the aircraft slope off and put the aircraft overall balance into some other danger territory?

You are absolutely correct, you have no knowledge whatsoever.....however in fairness, the rest of your post is drivel.

Over rotation, which is what occurred here, could be due to many factors. Pilot input, weight and balance computations being incorrect, aircraft malfunction, take off figures being incorrectly set - as examples. As to danger.... as has occurred with Singapore Airlines (for one) a tail strike in a 747 departing Auckland was in itself not a major issue. The lack of airmanship in starting the APU (the engine in the tail that provides electrical and limited hydraulic power)  in preparation for a return to land however was, and caused a fire - not too destructive in this case. Long term, and largely unforeseen but connected danger has manifested itself previously in JAL flight 123, which suffered a tail strike that caused dameage to the rear pressure bulkhead. This was incorrectly repaired and ultimately resulted in the deaths of all but 5 on board a high density seating version of a 747. You could have, of course, used your brain to find this out, but hey.... this is thai visa 

37 minutes ago, Sir Swagman said:

You are absolutely correct, you have no knowledge whatsoever.....however in fairness, the rest of your post is drivel.

Over rotation, which is what occurred here, could be due to many factors. Pilot input, weight and balance computations being incorrect, aircraft malfunction, take off figures being incorrectly set - as examples. As to danger.... as has occurred with Singapore Airlines (for one) a tail strike in a 747 departing Auckland was in itself not a major issue. The lack of airmanship in starting the APU (the engine in the tail that provides electrical and limited hydraulic power)  in preparation for a return to land however was, and caused a fire - not too destructive in this case. Long term, and largely unforeseen but connected danger has manifested itself previously in JAL flight 123, which suffered a tail strike that caused dameage to the rear pressure bulkhead. This was incorrectly repaired and ultimately resulted in the deaths of all but 5 on board a high density seating version of a 747. You could have, of course, used your brain to find this out, but hey.... this is thai visa 

You could have provided your expertise without the pettiness, but hey....this is Thai visa. 

10 hours ago, kingkenny said:

You could have provided your expertise without the pettiness, but hey....this is Thai visa. 

I could have but am working on voting republican

 

I took Jet from london to bangkok. That change at Mumbai was horrendous. They separate men and women to go through one scanner, which the one guy operating it is not really checking. There is no queue. Just a scrum of smelly indians. Then afterwards they check you manually!

And then, before an Usain Bolt sprint to your connection which leaves in 6 minutes, they make you stick your own security tags on each bag..

Never

Again

 

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You could have provided your expertise without the pettiness, but hey....this is Thai visa. 

Posts #18, 19 & 20 would seem to be a Thai Visa manifestation of the old joke:
"How do you know, when you walk into a party, that one of the people in the crowded room is a pilot?"

"Don't worry, within five minutes he will have told you..."

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