nausea Posted January 24, 2018 Share Posted January 24, 2018 Bullying is endemic, and psychos are endemic, you give a bullied psycho a gun, well what do you expect? Personally, I think it's best to keep the psychos away from the weapons; especially the weapons of mass destruction. The problem in America is that by definition most gun supporters are psychos; just look at you tube. A gun is a tool to me, not a way of life. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UncleTouchyFingers Posted January 24, 2018 Share Posted January 24, 2018 58 minutes ago, nausea said: The problem in America is that by definition most gun supporters are psychos Thats a messed up thing to say. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jingthing Posted January 24, 2018 Share Posted January 24, 2018 Thats a messed up thing to say. Not nearly as messed up as all the mass shootings which the gun nuts are unwilling to do anything about. Sent from my [device_name] using http://Thailand Forum - Thaivisa mobile app Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joecoolfrog Posted January 24, 2018 Share Posted January 24, 2018 5 hours ago, UncleTouchyFingers said: Kinda feeling like you're getting unreasonably upset here. Anyway like I said, the "militia" argument has been debunked by the highest court of the US. So have most other arguments for 2nd amendment hatred, thanks to Antonin Scailia. End of the day, the placement of the Amendment in the list, and the context in which it was written, means what it means. Time wont change it, unless you repeal the amendment. And we got Neil Gorsuch now so thats a bonus too. Not much of a bonus for the thousands of men , women and completely innocent children who will be slaughtered year on year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fakename Posted January 24, 2018 Share Posted January 24, 2018 Just need more Thoughts and Prayers, that should improve the situation! Of course could arm all the people, at least the Republicans, I used to belong to the ARA, couldnt get a hunting license if didnt join, but at that time, it was more like the Boy Scouts,. Now its just a right wing organisation working to keep the 2nd amendment alive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thaibeachlovers Posted January 25, 2018 Share Posted January 25, 2018 17 hours ago, sklmeeera said: That makes zero sense . So why is it that the USA has a hugely higher murder rate than for example the UK or Australia ??? Because ...in those countries the laws on guns and firearms is strict andin the USA it is a sick joke . Guns were made for killing car were made for travelling . I cant understand why Americans cant get that through their thick skulls . I'm not a psychologist, but perhaps because of American culture? Any sane person in New Zealand can get a gun licence and own several weapons, yet few people are murdered with guns. IMO different culture. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thaibeachlovers Posted January 25, 2018 Share Posted January 25, 2018 11 hours ago, joecoolfrog said: Not much of a bonus for the thousands of men , women and completely innocent children who will be slaughtered year on year. Given that most of those people will be killed by criminals using illegal guns, no amount of gun control will make much difference. Reference Chicago. Gun control only affects law abiding people. However, owners absolutely need to be severely punished if they allow their children to take the weapon and kill other people with it. At the least manslaughter. More people will die by car than die by guns, so why isn't there a push to remove cars from the hands of individuals? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiangMaiLightning2143 Posted January 25, 2018 Share Posted January 25, 2018 Old enough to drive a car old enough for open carry and self protection, even High school students. Fake gun free zones just create more victims. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simple1 Posted January 25, 2018 Share Posted January 25, 2018 3 minutes ago, ChiangMaiLightning2143 said: Old enough to drive a car old enough for open carry and self protection, even High school students. Fake gun free zones just create more victims. Here in Australia those under 26 years of age are six times more probable to have a car accident, than those over 26. I guess likely similar stats in the US, not a good argument for youth to own a gun. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiangMaiLightning2143 Posted January 25, 2018 Share Posted January 25, 2018 Yeah, sure, tell me about it. An illogical straw man comparison. The only thing that stops a bad guy is a good guy with a gun. Can the teachers and administrators at least carry guns? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DM07 Posted January 25, 2018 Share Posted January 25, 2018 "Yeah...guns...because...squirrel- hunting! No? Ahm....then because ...ahm...burglars! No? Also utter BS? Let me think...oh yeah...to protect myself from imaginary Hitler! Yeah...I need my gun, to protect myself from a violent government takeover!" ...you are aware, that the "government" has DRONES, right!? Killer- robots in the sky! But Kleetus and John- Boy sure need a gun to protect themselves! "Australia, Germany, Great Britain, Canada...stricter gun- laws were put in place and what happened next? The government took away all the freedoms and rights of the people and turned the country into...what was that? Oh...they are still functioning democracies, that grant their citizens human rights and all that? Guess, my point must be BS then! Let's have some sensible discussion about gun- laws!" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UncleTouchyFingers Posted January 25, 2018 Share Posted January 25, 2018 2 hours ago, DM07 said: Let's have some sensible discussion about gun- laws!" Never met a person that hates guns and wants to have an honest, sensible and objective "discussion" about gun control. And kool facebook copy/paste Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Credo Posted January 25, 2018 Share Posted January 25, 2018 13 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said: Given that most of those people will be killed by criminals using illegal guns, no amount of gun control will make much difference. Reference Chicago. Gun control only affects law abiding people. However, owners absolutely need to be severely punished if they allow their children to take the weapon and kill other people with it. At the least manslaughter. More people will die by car than die by guns, so why isn't there a push to remove cars from the hands of individuals? Comparing cars to guns is a false equivalency. The vast majority of people do need to use cars in the US. The vast majority of people do not need to use a gun. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thaibeachlovers Posted January 26, 2018 Share Posted January 26, 2018 (edited) 8 hours ago, Credo said: Comparing cars to guns is a false equivalency. The vast majority of people do need to use cars in the US. The vast majority of people do not need to use a gun. The vast majority of people NEED to use a car because there is no realistic alternative. Provide the alternative, and then people in cities will not NEED to use a private car. Till post WW2 most people didn't NEED to use a car. It amuses me somewhat that with all the man made climate change stuff going on, no one is talking about restricting car ownership in cities. Edited January 26, 2018 by thaibeachlovers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Credo Posted January 26, 2018 Share Posted January 26, 2018 46 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said: The vast majority of people NEED to use a car because there is no realistic alternative. Provide the alternative, and then people in cities will not NEED to use a private car. Till post WW2 most people didn't NEED to use a car. It amuses me somewhat that with all the man made climate change stuff going on, no one is talking about restricting car ownership in cities. Nice deflection. The vast majority of people DO NOT NEED gun. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DM07 Posted January 26, 2018 Share Posted January 26, 2018 18 hours ago, UncleTouchyFingers said: Never met a person that hates guns and wants to have an honest, sensible and objective "discussion" about gun control. And kool facebook copy/paste "...hates guns"? I think, what most people hate, are senseless gun related deaths, because some morons seem to think, guns do "good' for people in any way, shape or form! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thaibeachlovers Posted January 26, 2018 Share Posted January 26, 2018 1 hour ago, Credo said: Nice deflection. The vast majority of people DO NOT NEED gun. If I live in a high crime area where I have a high probability of being home invaded, and injured/ murdered, you better believe I NEED a gun. You would apparently prefer that I were killed than defend myself against people far more capable of defeating me if unarmed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Credo Posted January 26, 2018 Share Posted January 26, 2018 1 hour ago, thaibeachlovers said: If I live in a high crime area where I have a high probability of being home invaded, and injured/ murdered, you better believe I NEED a gun. You would apparently prefer that I were killed than defend myself against people far more capable of defeating me if unarmed. Still deflecting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DLang Posted January 26, 2018 Share Posted January 26, 2018 Wouldn't have happened if everyone is armed with automatic RPGs from the age of 10. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DLang Posted January 26, 2018 Share Posted January 26, 2018 Is there a correlation between circumcision and such violent massacres? A deep seated psychological pain and anger, combined with the little-man syndrome of never being able to be a full and proper male. What % of global public shooters like this are circumcised? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UncleTouchyFingers Posted January 26, 2018 Share Posted January 26, 2018 2 hours ago, DM07 said: "...hates guns"? I think, what most people hate, are senseless gun related deaths, because some morons seem to think, guns do "good' for people in any way, shape or form! Exhibit A They do "good" for thousands of law abiding regular Americans each year. Unfortunately criminals dont give a shit about laws. The fact that you think guns dont do anything good for anyone in any way shape or form (exclamation point!!) just proves that you would be the type thats incapable of an honest and objective discussion about guns and gun control because you'd be too busy shaking with emotion looking for something or someone to lynch, when in reality they already caught the shooter and he will pay for it dearly, and you and your overly emotional klan start going after huge swaths of people that have never even done anything wrong. The focus should be WHY these kids do this. It isn't accessibility to firearms, its bullying, access to mental health care, a system that doesn't really care and allows kids to fall through the cracks. It would be similar to trying to "Ban Serial Killers" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UncleTouchyFingers Posted January 26, 2018 Share Posted January 26, 2018 6 minutes ago, DLang said: Wouldn't have happened if everyone is armed with automatic RPGs from the age of 10. Said no one ever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thaibeachlovers Posted January 26, 2018 Share Posted January 26, 2018 9 minutes ago, DLang said: Wouldn't have happened if everyone is armed with automatic RPGs from the age of 10. What has a computer game got to do with the subject, and how would it stop school killings? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UncleTouchyFingers Posted January 26, 2018 Share Posted January 26, 2018 3 hours ago, Credo said: Nice deflection. The vast majority of people DO NOT NEED gun. Well, murder is already illegal too. But it still happens. Point of the car analogy is to illustrate that in the grand scheme of things, cars kill more people, drugs kill more people (just in overdoses, not including gang violence) etc.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DM07 Posted January 26, 2018 Share Posted January 26, 2018 7 minutes ago, UncleTouchyFingers said: Exhibit A They do "good" for thousands of law abiding regular Americans each year. Unfortunately criminals dont give a shit about laws. The fact that you think guns dont do anything good for anyone in any way shape or form (exclamation point!!) just proves that you would be the type thats incapable of an honest and objective discussion about guns and gun control because you'd be too busy shaking with emotion looking for something or someone to lynch, when in reality they already caught the shooter and he will pay for it dearly, and you and your overly emotional klan start going after huge swaths of people that have never even done anything wrong. The focus should be WHY these kids do this. It isn't accessibility to firearms, its bullying, access to mental health care, a system that doesn't really care and allows kids to fall through the cracks. It would be similar to trying to "Ban Serial Killers" "The focus should be WHY these kids do this. It isn't accessibility to firearms, its bullying, access to mental health care, a system that doesn't really care and allows kids to fall through the cracks." I bet, the "accessibility to firearms", would get the numbers down, quiet a bit! By the way: I also think, smoking has never done anything good for anyone...still I am all for your right to kill yourself with a cigarette! You know nothing about me, just assume all kinds of crap! "Criminals don't give a shit about laws"? No shit, Sherlock! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DM07 Posted January 26, 2018 Share Posted January 26, 2018 3 minutes ago, UncleTouchyFingers said: Well, murder is already illegal too. But it still happens. Point of the car analogy is to illustrate that in the grand scheme of things, cars kill more people, drugs kill more people (just in overdoses, not including gang violence) etc.. BS of the highest order! "Murder" is very well "regulated", if you will: there are harsh sentences against it. Oh and by the way: many "murder" is done with guns! The :analogy" is also complete trash! For the millionth time: cars are not designed to kill! They do accidentally (sic!) or if some sicko uses a car as a weapon! A car can be used to transport people and goods- please point out to me, what guns can be used for, except shooting (at) someone? Drugs can be used to give relief to suffering people. Sure, if someone misuses them (the hint is in the word!), they are dangerous and kill people- but agai: that is not the intend! I am diabethic, still I am not blaming chocolate, if I die! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UncleTouchyFingers Posted January 26, 2018 Share Posted January 26, 2018 1 minute ago, DM07 said: "The focus should be WHY these kids do this. It isn't accessibility to firearms, its bullying, access to mental health care, a system that doesn't really care and allows kids to fall through the cracks." I bet, the "accessibility to firearms", would get the numbers down, quiet a bit! By the way: I also think, smoking has never done anything good for anyone...still I am all for your right to kill yourself with a cigarette! You know nothing about me, just assume all kinds of crap! "Criminals don't give a shit about laws"? No shit, Sherlock! Lots of exclamation points and emotion again in your reply. This is what I'm talking about. You being angry and going after people that haven't done anything wrong definitely wont fix the problem. People dont just grab a gun and go on a shooting spree. You and me and 99.9% of the rest of the world look at that like an insane how-the-hell-can-someone-do-that kind of thing, and the issue needs to focus on WHY they are doing that. What is driving them. Im glad that you support the individual right for one to kill themselves - you're kinda proving my point for me in that regard as the majority of firearm related deaths in the US are from suicide, not murder, yet those deaths are rolled into all the statistics to inflate the number of actual murders. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UncleTouchyFingers Posted January 26, 2018 Share Posted January 26, 2018 15 minutes ago, DM07 said: BS of the highest order! "Murder" is very well "regulated", if you will: there are harsh sentences against it. Oh and by the way: many "murder" is done with guns! The :analogy" is also complete trash! For the millionth time: cars are not designed to kill! They do accidentally (sic!) or if some sicko uses a car as a weapon! A car can be used to transport people and goods- please point out to me, what guns can be used for, except shooting (at) someone? Drugs can be used to give relief to suffering people. Sure, if someone misuses them (the hint is in the word!), they are dangerous and kill people- but agai: that is not the intend! I am diabethic, still I am not blaming chocolate, if I die! You cant just scream BS!! when its not BS!! because you don't like it. So to recap your point (or lack thereof) cars kill WAY more people than guns, but thats tolerable because they carry people around, and they didn't mean to do it? (I Think, but you know, drunk driving - also illegal) Drugs (opiates) are killing WAY more people than both cars AND guns, but thats tolerable because for some reason you equate medial treatment to illicit drug use, therefore it has some "good" (?) A gun is a tool for defense and most people use them for just that. Some people, unfortunately, do not, and use them to commit criminal acts. Bad people will be bad people. There isnt any way to stop it. Its been going on since humanity began and it will continue. The dumbest thing imaginable to me would be to neuter the law abiding citizens of the country based on the feelings of uninformed bystanders. To use your last diabetic analogy - Im an American, but im still not going to blame the gun, or large swaths of the population, if I get shot. Ill blame the shooter. Just like everywhere else. Just like the courts will as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wildewillie89 Posted January 26, 2018 Share Posted January 26, 2018 (edited) 3 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said: If I live in a high crime area where I have a high probability of being home invaded, and injured/ murdered, you better believe I NEED a gun. You would apparently prefer that I were killed than defend myself against people far more capable of defeating me if unarmed. NEED vs WANT...you said NEED so lets clarify the need. For a gun to be of any actual use to you in that situation you would NEED to have the gun on you at all times and be constantly scanning/listening around your property. So that would mean not sleeping, not showering, not resting, no noise, no focusing on any task (even using computer/phone) and not having any guests (especially children) over. Not to mention it would mean you are highly trained and familiar with not only the weapon, but your movements and surroundings. This isn't the movies lol. My father-in-law has a gun on him in a case and sometimes a vest with a police escort (mostly during election times as he is a target). I see him shower and sleep and think what is the point of the gun? Even in a home invasion the gun being in a case would be too slow to get out. For those 6 hours he sleeps and 5 minutes he showers someone could easily gain access to him as the gun is definitely out of reach. For him, it is second nature due to his Army days rather than being of any actual use. I have made sure it is put away when my children are there (so again, it is utterly useless). My Mrs driver used to have a gun on him, but it was physically on him (not in a case), and was only ever to be used if confronted by militants in the South during field work. However, on the most part, 'responsible' gun owners who have actual lives have their guns locked in a safe, do sleep and do shower. The gun as a form of defence is useless to them if a home invasion was to occur. Hence, why I have two dogs with stopping powers of .45 calibre bullets as I do want to sleep, watch TV, shower and have children. If people have both the fire power and skill to conduct a home invasion where I live, no gun I have in my home locked in a cute little safe would be saving me. Edited January 26, 2018 by wildewillie89 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UncleTouchyFingers Posted January 26, 2018 Share Posted January 26, 2018 27 minutes ago, wildewillie89 said: NEED vs WANT...you said NEED so lets clarify the need. For a gun to be of any actual use to you in that situation you would NEED to have the gun on you at all times and be constantly scanning/listening around your property. So that would mean not sleeping, not showering, not resting, no noise, no focusing on any task (even using computer/phone) and not having any guests (especially children) over. Not to mention it would mean you are highly trained and familiar with not only the weapon, but your movements and surroundings. This isn't the movies lol. My father-in-law has a gun on him in a case and sometimes a vest with a police escort (mostly during election times as he is a target). I see him shower and sleep and think what is the point of the gun? Even in a home invasion the gun being in a case would be too slow to get out. For those 6 hours he sleeps and 5 minutes he showers someone could easily gain access to him as the gun is definitely out of reach. For him, it is second nature due to his Army days rather than being of any actual use. I have made sure it is put away when my children are there (so again, it is utterly useless). My Mrs driver used to have a gun on him, but it was physically on him (not in a case), and was only ever to be used if confronted by militants in the South during field work. However, on the most part, 'responsible' gun owners who have actual lives have their guns locked in a safe, do sleep and do shower. The gun as a form of defence is useless to them if a home invasion was to occur. Hence, why I have two dogs with stopping powers of .45 calibre bullets as I do want to sleep, watch TV, shower and have children. If people have both the fire power and skill to conduct a home invasion where I live, no gun I have in my home locked in a cute little safe would be saving me. LOL Those dogs wont do shit. Some poison in a hotdog and they are done man its how the Thais do it. As to everything else. I dont even have any idea where you dreamt up all that. A non gun owner trying to school the other non gun owners on why owning a gun is "pointless" has got to be one of the most laughable propositions I've seen today. Thousands of homeowners in the US have successfully thwarted/killed/protected their property from home invaders with their household firearms. From little old ladies, single moms, you name it. Only the stupidest retard burglars would assume that household firearms would be locked in a safe all the time and completely inaccessible lmao. Come on you have to see how ridiculous all that is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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