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[rooster59]

Trump campaign ex-aide Page says he will take legal steps after memo's release

 

One-time advisor of U.S. president-elect Donald Trump Carter Page addresses the audience during a presentation in Moscow, Russia, December 12, 2016. REUTERS/Sergei Karpukhin

 

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - A former Trump campaign aide at the centre of a controversial Republican memo released on Friday said he would take further legal steps now that House Republicans made the four-page secret document public.

 

"Now that a few of the misdeeds against the Trump Movement have been partially revealed, I look forward to updating my pending legal action in opposition to DOJ this weekend," Carter Page said in an emailed statement. Page has sued the owner of Yahoo News and the U.S. government operator of Radio Free Europe.

 

 

-- © Copyright Reuters 2018-02-03

[Silurian]

Here is an excellent article on Page for anyone who cares.

 

Carter Page, the star of the Nunes memo, explained

https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2018/2/2/16956014/nunes-memo-carter-page

 

I think it is very interesting that team Trump distanced themselves very quickly from Page and really downplay his role back in September of 2016. Now team Trump is all worried that a member of the team was wrongfully under a FISA warrant. So which is it? Page is not really a member of team Trump or he was? They are contradicting themselves.

 

[Scott]

Troll post removed.  

[Langsuan Man]

His legal steps are the only thing that should have happened

 

Thanks to Nunes and his cabal, the publicity of the memo can again be used by the defense to show Trump  Administration's  interference with the justice system. 

 

You right a supposed wrong in court, not in the public domain

 

Win, Win,  for everyone but the American public  

[spidermike007]

3 hours ago, Silurian said:

Here is an excellent article on Page for anyone who cares.

 

Carter Page, the star of the Nunes memo, explained

https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2018/2/2/16956014/nunes-memo-carter-page

 

I think it is very interesting that team Trump distanced themselves very quickly from Page and really downplay his role back in September of 2016. Now team Trump is all worried that a member of the team was wrongfully under a FISA warrant. So which is it? Page is not really a member of team Trump or he was? They are contradicting themselves.

 

 

Well, they do that on a daily basis. Since there is no coherent policy from this administration, inconsistency is their stock in trade. But, they should be very afraid. This investigation is going to get very interesting. It is fun to watch Trump and some of his henchmen squirm. One can only hope some of them end up in prison, or humiliated. They deserve that. Their betrayal of the American people warrants that.

[thaibeachlovers]

Go Page go. I hope he wins a HUUUUUUGE settlement against the DOJ.  Months of must watch media coverage as DOJ wrongdoing is exposed in court.

[isaanbanhou]

1 minute ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Go Page go. I hope he wins a HUUUUUUGE settlement against the DOJ.

Months of must watch media coverage as DOJ wrongdoing is exposed in court.

yes , way better way to spend taxpayers money than a wall to keep the boogie men out

[Srikcir]

Former Trump Aide Carter Page Was on U.S. Counterintelligence Radar Before Russia Dossier.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/former-trump-aide-carter-page-was-on-u-s-counterintelligence-radar-before-russia-dossier-1517486401

 

[Langsuan Man]

5 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Go Page go. I hope he wins a HUUUUUUGE settlement against the DOJ.  Months of must watch media coverage as DOJ wrongdoing is exposed in court.

You do understand don't you the Federal Government must agree to be sued, you just can't take them to court, because you feel like it

 

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In the United States, the federal government has sovereign immunity and may not be sued unless it has waived its immunity or consented to suit.[7] The United States as a sovereign is immune from suit unless it unequivocally consents to being sued.[8] The United States Supreme Court in Price v. United States observed: "It is an axiom of our jurisprudence. The government is not liable to suit unless it consents thereto, and its liability in suit cannot be extended beyond the plain language of the statute authorizing it

7) See Gray v. Bell, 712 F.2d 490, 507 (D.C. Cir. 1983).

8) United States v. Mitchell, 445 U.S. 535, 538 (1980)

[thaibeachlovers]

5 hours ago, Srikcir said:

Former Trump Aide Carter Page Was on U.S. Counterintelligence Radar Before Russia Dossier.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/former-trump-aide-carter-page-was-on-u-s-counterintelligence-radar-before-russia-dossier-1517486401

 

and? Doesn't prove he was guilty of anything. 

If one remembers the McCarthy era, loads of innocent people had lives ruined for nothing.

[thaibeachlovers]

2 hours ago, Langsuan Man said:

You do understand don't you the Federal Government must agree to be sued, you just can't take them to court, because you feel like it

 

7) See Gray v. Bell, 712 F.2d 490, 507 (D.C. Cir. 1983).

8) United States v. Mitchell, 445 U.S. 535, 538 (1980)

Hmmmm. You think Trump won't allow Page to sue the people that have been trying to take him ( Trump ) down for a year?

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[Langsuan Man]

[Srikcir]

1 hour ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Hmmmm. You think Trump won't allow Page to sue the people that have been trying to take him ( Trump ) down for a year?

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When one sues the federal government it is the DOJ that defends government agencies, assuming such a lawsuit is allowed.

So you think POTUS Trump will direct his Attorney General to plead guilty on behalf of the Head of Government, that being POTUS Trump?

[Andaman Al]

9 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Go Page go. I hope he wins a HUUUUUUGE settlement against the DOJ.  Months of must watch media coverage as DOJ wrongdoing is exposed in court.

So lets get this straight, you are now so brainwashed that you hope a man that is being investigated for collusion/spying for Russia wins a huge sum of money off your own Government. My how the GOP supporters have regressed towards the enablers of traitors and treason. They will write of this human psychology experiment for years to come.

[Andaman Al]

13 hours ago, rooster59 said:

Now that a few of the misdeeds against the Trump Movement have been partially revealed, I look forward to updating my pending legal action in opposition to DOJ this weekend," Carter Page said in an emailed statement.

I really don't think Carter Page read the memo before his 'emailed statement'. There are no misdeeds against the Trump movement. We have two FBI officers in a relationship calling Trump a d**k and we are supposed to believe that is biased. If this is supposed to be an enormous case of bias it's a good job during the gulf wars  the British Press did not hear every single serviceman calling Blair a f****** t**t. But we still did our jobs 100% and men and women still died for their country knowing that Blair was a T**t. This is all clutching at straws so much it is utterly pathetic to witness. The only people that should be ashamed of themselves are Trump, Nunes and Ryan and anyone else declaring this memo worse than watergate. The funny thing is that everything written about the Steele dossier in the memo is immediately discredited by the testimony under oath to the senate intelligence committee which was released two weeks a lifetime under Trump ago.

[boomerangutang]

Notably absent from Nunes' memo was mention of anything uncovered about Page.  Page had been under FBI investigation for at least a year.  It started prior to Trump's campaign and was renewed at least 3 times.  Since each FISA warrant lasts 3 months, that = 1 year.  And each time the FISA warrant is brought to a judge for renewal, there must be new data to justify a renewal.  

It's very strict.

 

In other words, Page has been in deep doodoo for at least a year. 

 

There must be some seriously incriminating data concerning Trump and/or his cabal (in the surveillance on Page) - otherwise Trump and his shielders wouldn't be so frantic about discrediting the FBI's surveillance of Page.

 

If it was just one little guy getting busted, Trump and his shielders wouldn't care.  

 

 

[boomerangutang]

Trump is such a dummy.  Even if an inept investigator were looking in to Trump's law-breaking, that person would be ably assisted by Trump himself.

 

Imagine if you were a detective, and you went to the house of a drug dealer / suspected murderer.  As soon as you get in the house, the suspect shouts things like, "I didn't do anything wrong, and don't look under the couch!  This is all a witch hunt, and by all means, don't look in the cellar! ...and pay no attention to the bloodied garden tools in the shed in the back yard!"

 

Thankfully, Mueller and his team are the opposite of dummies, but even if they were dummies, Trump is posting signposts to piles of evidence.  If Trump were any dumber, his pet dog would be sitting in the president's chair, and Trump would be dutifully sitting on the floor alongside, with a leash and collar around his neck.

[Srikcir]

3 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Doesn't prove he was guilty of anything. 

It's called an investigation.

Nunes memo in fact relates to US law enforcement sustained interest in Page that dates to at least 2013, when the FBI caught two accused Russian spies on a wiretap discussing their attempts to recruit Page and use him to learn inside information about the U.S. energy industry. https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/memo-points-to-fbis-ongoing-interest-in-trump-adviser-carter-page/2018/02/02/89bfdee2-077c-11e8-8777-2a059f168dd2_story.html?utm_term=.28a19e02558

3 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

If one remembers the McCarthy era, loads of innocent people had lives ruined for nothing.

If one remembers the McCarthy era, loads of innocent people did not as Page did:

• meet with a suspected Russian intelligence officer who was trying to recruit
• deny contacts with Russian government officials before and during his time with the Trump campaign
• live in Moscow
• discuss getting a stake in a Russian oil & gas company in exchange for sanctions on Russia being lifted

The McCarthy era has no relevance in Page's case.

 

 

[ilostmypassword]

3 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

and? Doesn't prove he was guilty of anything. 

If one remembers the McCarthy era, loads of innocent people had lives ruined for nothing.

But what it does obviously establish, and should even do so in your own mind, is that Page was being investigated before there was even a Trump candidacy.

Edited February 3, 2018 by ilostmypassword

[bendejo]

20 hours ago, Silurian said:

I think it is very interesting that team Trump distanced themselves very quickly from Page and really downplay his role back in September of 2016. Now team Trump is all worried that a member of the team was wrongfully under a FISA warrant. So which is it? Page is not really a member of team Trump or he was? They are contradicting themselves.

 

Don't take this as pertaining to Page in particular, DT has been doing this to everybody that draws the attention of investigators: "he wasn't anybody, I think I saw him once when he was delivering coffee, I don't know him" etc.  Even when there's pictures of a meeting with said person sitting right next to him.

I've been waiting for him to pull this on a son: "Don Jr?  I really don't know him, they tell me he's my son but I don't know...."

 

 

[thaibeachlovers]

11 hours ago, Srikcir said:

When one sues the federal government it is the DOJ that defends government agencies, assuming such a lawsuit is allowed.

So you think POTUS Trump will direct his Attorney General to plead guilty on behalf of the Head of Government, that being POTUS Trump?

No, I think Sessions will allow the lawsuit to proceed, and it will be up to the court to decide.

[thaibeachlovers]

10 hours ago, Srikcir said:

It's called an investigation.

Nunes memo in fact relates to US law enforcement sustained interest in Page that dates to at least 2013, when the FBI caught two accused Russian spies on a wiretap discussing their attempts to recruit Page and use him to learn inside information about the U.S. energy industry. https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/memo-points-to-fbis-ongoing-interest-in-trump-adviser-carter-page/2018/02/02/89bfdee2-077c-11e8-8777-2a059f168dd2_story.html?utm_term=.28a19e02558

If one remembers the McCarthy era, loads of innocent people did not as Page did:

• meet with a suspected Russian intelligence officer who was trying to recruit
• deny contacts with Russian government officials before and during his time with the Trump campaign
• live in Moscow
• discuss getting a stake in a Russian oil & gas company in exchange for sanctions on Russia being lifted

The McCarthy era has no relevance in Page's case.

 

 

Doesn't prove he was guilty of a crime.

[thaibeachlovers]

9 hours ago, ilostmypassword said:

But what it does obviously establish, and should even do so in your own mind, is that Page was being investigated before there was even a Trump candidacy.

Loads of people are investigated and nothing proven. If he hadn't been in the Trump campaign for a bit, this wouldn't even be news.

Being investigated doesn't prove guilt and it's been over a year without any indictment.

[isaanbanhou]

6 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Doesn't prove he was guilty of a crime.

No a court pronouncing him guilty will do that. Just as a one side of an argument doesn t prove he is innocent.

Edited February 4, 2018 by isaanbanhou

[ilostmypassword]

2 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Loads of people are investigated and nothing proven. If he hadn't been in the Trump campaign for a bit, this wouldn't even be news.

Being investigated doesn't prove guilt and it's been over a year without any indictment.

But that isn't the point. It's being alleged that the investigation of page is due to the fact that it's part of a conspiracy to get Trump. But since Page has been targeted since well before Trump was even a candidate that makes no sense. 

 

[thaibeachlovers]

1 minute ago, ilostmypassword said:

But that isn't the point. It's being alleged that the investigation of page is due to the fact that it's part of a conspiracy to get Trump. But since Page has been targeted since well before Trump was even a candidate that makes no sense. 

 

Apparently Page was used as an excuse to start the Russia collusion investigation, so absolutely part of the DOJ/ FBI "investigation" on Trump.

[attrayant]

53 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Apparently Page was used as an excuse to start the Russia collusion investigation, so absolutely part of the DOJ/ FBI "investigation" on Trump.

 

Wait - you've spent the last few days saying things like "that doesn't prove anything!"  But now, the bar has been lowered to "apparently"?

[thaibeachlovers]

Just now, attrayant said:

 

Wait - you've spent the last few days saying things like "that doesn't prove anything!"  But now, the bar has been lowered to "apparently"?

I don't KNOW any more than you, so I'm going to use apparently, IMO etc.

Don't you don't have anything better to do than make personal attacks on other posters?

[attrayant]

Calling out somebody's changing position isn't a personal attack.  I know you might feel like it is, but it's not.  Use the same standard of evidence for everyone.

[timewilltell]

It's not about the right or wrong of the person who was targeted by the authorities but rather the fact the authorities hid pertinent information that the sorce of the information presented was an enemy of the Trump team. That is an abuse of power to hoodwink a judge into approving a warrant that may be should not have been approved. It also indicates possible bias within thise authorities who are now engaged in an investigation on other members of the Trump team. You should not be bothered by the politics of it but rather question whether you want a secret agency hiding essential information from the judge. That is not acceptable in a democracy and absolutely needs bringing to light.