hashmodha Posted February 9, 2018 Share Posted February 9, 2018 Although tourism inevitably has an impact, my experience, as a long time diver in this country who sees the reefs up close, is that by far the greatest damage has been caused by illegal fishing. In ten years I have seen large fish virtually disappear from some reefs. Sad to read this....I saw this coming in Andaman sea before Tsunami....Illegal fishermen...Illegal fishing...Illegal diving....Illegal diving businesses.....must I continue?Sent from my HUAWEI LUA-L21 using Thailand Forum - Thaivisa mobile app Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slippery snake Posted February 9, 2018 Share Posted February 9, 2018 Only too many people at these parks and reserves because greedy THAIS take them there !! The more bigger boat, the more people I can take, so the more money I can make !!! The blame lies with the locals, Nobody else .... Only they can restrict the amount if people going there to a sustainable number. ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Megasin1 Posted February 9, 2018 Share Posted February 9, 2018 LOL...my daily giggle at TLOSO. Every item they listed is under their control and remedy has nothing to do with the tourists. You gotta love it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boedog Posted February 9, 2018 Share Posted February 9, 2018 Amazing Thais, not our fault, blame the foreigners maybe through better education at all levels, maybe clean up your own backyard before throwing stones, pollution, corruption at the highest level which is a cancer in this country, poor or no regulation as long as the brown envelop is given all is good dont see a problem hear next please Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Khun Paul Posted February 9, 2018 Share Posted February 9, 2018 Anot5her xenophobic rant about foreigners, forgetting entirely ( conveniently ) that Thais in a protected job status , arrange the tours, drive the boats and also run the NATIONAL PARKS. If you want controls CONTROL THE THAI organisers and Government officials. Simple for a foreigner to understand ...Nigh on impossible for a THAI it seems !!!!!!!!!!!!!!. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrTuner Posted February 9, 2018 Share Posted February 9, 2018 I have a brilliant idea. Fine them for the sum of valuables and cash they have and deport immediately. Rinse and repeat, after all, there's no limit to how many suckers come to Thailand every year, in fact, why not do the fleecing at the departure gate before they even board the flight to Thailand, Profit! I'm pretty sure that's the basic idea going around in those brilliant TAT heads. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BangkokReady Posted February 9, 2018 Share Posted February 9, 2018 7 hours ago, JAG said: Perhaps the first step would be to restrain the ignorant indigenous tour operators from encouraging/selling activities which damage the environment? I hear what you're saying, but we're really looking to blame foreign tourists here. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Walter Travolta Posted February 9, 2018 Share Posted February 9, 2018 (edited) Banning the tour operators is a good idea but banning guilty parties might help. This is more serious than overstaying so . . . Edited February 9, 2018 by Walter Travolta Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZeVonderBearz Posted February 9, 2018 Share Posted February 9, 2018 2 hours ago, BwindiBoy said: Don't let so many Asian tourists in! Get rid of all Asians! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lacessit Posted February 9, 2018 Share Posted February 9, 2018 A few months ago ( low season ) I went to Krabi and toured several islands. I was pleasantly surprised by the absence of litter and how clean the water was. No room for complacency, however. Halong Bay in Vietnam is scenically spectacular; however, it's also a giant rubbish dump. An object lesson in exploitation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ginjag Posted February 9, 2018 Share Posted February 9, 2018 Please, this is not 1 area, K Chang, K.Samet, Jomptien, Pattaya, Phuket, Samui, Rubbish everywhere dumped at sea, dumped around the bay--tide brings it in again, Example, rural areas roadside dumps, Klongs stink, people throwing bottles out of baht taxis--pick-ups, I could write a book. Look at most rural homes/gardens piles of burnt rubbish-including batteries-bottles ha ha, way of life --upbringing. A shining example of who is mainly at fault here--wager a bet biggest % are not normal tourists. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Walter Travolta Posted February 9, 2018 Share Posted February 9, 2018 3 minutes ago, ginjag said: Please, this is not 1 area, K Chang, K.Samet, Jomptien, Pattaya, Phuket, Samui, Rubbish everywhere dumped at sea, dumped around the bay--tide brings it in again, Example, rural areas roadside dumps, Klongs stink, people throwing bottles out of baht taxis--pick-ups, I could write a book. Look at most rural homes/gardens piles of burnt rubbish-including batteries-bottles ha ha, way of life --upbringing. A shining example of who is mainly at fault here--wager a bet biggest % are not normal tourists. very good point. I would imagine most divers have knowledge and respect for the ocean and its reefs 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BangkokReady Posted February 9, 2018 Share Posted February 9, 2018 7 hours ago, webfact said: Much of the damage occurred due to too many boats mooring in one location at one time, an inability to cope with waste water and ignorance of the tourists in understanding environmental protection matters. So vague about what exactly the tourists do to damage the environment. It's pretty simple. Tourists turn up and ask tour operators if they have a spot on their tour, then they go on the tour if they can. They can't be expected to know if there are too many people visiting the island, much less to stagger their visits to not overwhelm the locations. There's no way a tourist could do that and it's unreasonable to expect them to. There is no ignorance shown on the part of the tourists. The tourist authority needs to limit the number of boats going to each location. It's as simple as that. There is nothing the tourists can do. They just need to blame the tourists because they don't want people to know that it is Thailand's fault that the environment is being degraded. Lots of tourists, lots of money, degraded environment. Less tourists, less money, less degraded environment. Up to you Thailand. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TechnikaIII Posted February 9, 2018 Share Posted February 9, 2018 7 hours ago, JAG said: Perhaps the first step would be to restrain the ignorant indigenous tour operators from encouraging/selling activities which damage the environment? Yes, well, let's not separate the tour operators from the 'care-free' tourists. It takes two to tango. 1. A real government capable of delivering on environment issues. 2. A nationwide awareness campaign. 3. An International awareness campaign ... There are several environmentally sensitive areas around the world whose access is strictly controlled. The reefs need to be added to the list. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drgoon Posted February 9, 2018 Share Posted February 9, 2018 (edited) <deleted> me.. proactive environmental and tourism management.. It's still the tourists fault though. Not the fault of any Thai people or organisation who have provided the means to visit these places Edited February 9, 2018 by drgoon spelling Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ajarnmarc Posted February 9, 2018 Share Posted February 9, 2018 7 hours ago, Chang_paarp said: How do the "ignorant foreign" tourists, and informed Thai tourists get to these places if not with the assistance of Thai tourist operators? Maybe, just maybe the emphasis is on the wrong part of the equation. Very true...at least we can now see how they refer to tourism " ignorant foreigners". No mention about the tons of garbage I've personally seen dumped from the ferries each day, while traveling from Donsak to Samui on the last ferry of the day, The Thai staff transfer all the trash bags from all the ferries used throughout the day, onto the last ferry running that evening, which they then proceed to dump each bag overboard on the trip. We don't even need to get started on all the cooking oil dumped into the sea from the restaurants hanging over the water in Hua Hin... These examples are clearly a sign of ignorance... I realize it's their country, so I just SMH. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TKDfella Posted February 9, 2018 Share Posted February 9, 2018 The authorities want their cake and eat it too. Want more money from tourism and advertise 'amazing Thailand'...if the tourists don't go to the beaches, national parks and places of interest, where are they going to put...in the cities?? Of course everyone wants to to go to the cities...in a pigs ear, they do. The rationale begins at home...if you want a home that stays neat and tidy, spick-and- span then the less people that inhabit it/visit it the longer it will stay nice. Thailand wants all the tourism but doesn't want to pay the cost of clearing up so of course the environment will suffer. Pull in money and to hell with everything else. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim walker Posted February 9, 2018 Share Posted February 9, 2018 So what ignorant person lets the ignorant foreigners through immigration in the first place mental checks at immigration might be the answer to stopping the ignorant entering Thailand. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shy coconut Posted February 9, 2018 Share Posted February 9, 2018 (edited) I didn't see anything in the article, other than the headline which mentioned "ignorant tourists" so I'm guessing that this was a successful clickbait policy given the amount With of outraged replies, 6 pages and counting! I admit that I didn't read the Thai link so I could well be wrong. It makes sense to me to look for solutions to the demise of the fish stocks and damage to the coral and the bullet points listed seem, to me, to be reasonable. But again, I'm guessing, that most of the posters before me, read nothing beyond the sensational headline and weighed in with their well worn diatribes!! It is actually possible for a tourist to be ignorant without it being insulting. Ignorance can mean being unaware and these tourists may well be unaware of the damage that they are causing. Ok hands up!! I just re read the article and, yes "the ignorance of tourists" is there , plain as day. That's venting after a night shift for you!! My point stands that ignorance, in this case, is not an insult, and the headline has been sensationalised to attract the angry responses. Some folks here should take a good hard look at themselves and feel a little foolish for being sucked in by the headline. Edited February 9, 2018 by shy coconut Oops! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boomerangutang Posted February 9, 2018 Share Posted February 9, 2018 Burma has an archipelego in the Andaman sea of, I'm guessing, 50 islands (?). Currently, they're rather pristine, or so I've heard from a private tour boat captain. He runs a boat owned by one of Russia's Oligarchs (Abraham...something), and the cost per day to charter that boat is mucho dinero. When I met the captain, his latest two trips were: 1. a top Formula 1 racer (can't recall his name) and 2. Rod Stewart and family (btw, Stewart's not a good tipper). The tour boat, though not big, burned through $33,000 of diesel in 6 days, zipping around the Burmese islands! That's also a lot of diesel smoke. How many years until those islands and their reefs are also suffering under the burden of badly-planned tourism - Thai variety - pack as many people as possible on to a boat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
300sd Posted February 9, 2018 Share Posted February 9, 2018 Foreign tourists are a little ignorant, for setting foot on those boat buses. I wouldn't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
janpharma Posted February 9, 2018 Share Posted February 9, 2018 And...What to do about geniune Thai "tourists" who spoil marine life, beaches and all roads with their plastic trash? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bendi Posted February 9, 2018 Share Posted February 9, 2018 Maybe first step is to educate the operators of the trip. Oh sorry forgot. This is Thailand, blame the tourists. Cant blame the tourist operators, that would be to easy. Meanwhile, am relaxing here in Isaan. Lafing my head off???? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cardinalblue Posted February 9, 2018 Share Posted February 9, 2018 It's always a management issue here or lack of.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thailand49 Posted February 9, 2018 Share Posted February 9, 2018 I think the Thai government needs to take a hard look in the mirror as to who else is ignorant. You bring them here allowing your own vendors to operated like this is the wild west, tout how many tourist just love Thailand and how many more are coming. Officials line their pockets buy expensive watches, built unnecessary roads with more toll plaza's, then spend no money on improving infrastructure making excuses after excuses, I would think twice before you label anyone! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WHYWHY Posted February 9, 2018 Share Posted February 9, 2018 (edited) Sort of makes you wonder how the Thai Media can say things like that If it was us saying about Thai people there would be headlines Rasist remarks made by foreign Medial Edited February 9, 2018 by WHYWHY 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WHYWHY Posted February 9, 2018 Share Posted February 9, 2018 1 minute ago, thailand49 said: I think the Thai government needs to take a hard look in the mirror as to who else is ignorant. You bring them here allowing your own vendors to operated like this is the wild west, tout how many tourist just love Thailand and how many more are coming. Officials line their pockets buy expensive watches, built unnecessary roads with more toll plaza's, then spend no money on improving infrastructure making excuses after excuses, I would think twice before you label anyone! Well said Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
diehard60 Posted February 9, 2018 Share Posted February 9, 2018 thailand should do something about them Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YetAnother Posted February 9, 2018 Share Posted February 9, 2018 (edited) 8 hours ago, webfact said: Excessive tourism just exactly what is that ? ask them to come, they come...; tell ya what, just copy north korea; (no not just politics)problem solved Edited February 9, 2018 by YetAnother Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GBW Posted February 9, 2018 Share Posted February 9, 2018 Possibly a 'quota system' for the greedy tour operators, but this would have to be monitored and enforced... 555555555555555555555555555555555555 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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