hansnl Posted February 9, 2018 Share Posted February 9, 2018 2 hours ago, Topdoc said: Coral reef damaged by dynamite fishing has not recovered in 20 years, Similan Islands, Thailand https://www.gettyimages.com/detail/photo/coral-reef-damaged-by-dynamite-fishing-has-high-res-stock-photography/73788109 That fishing was certainly done by foreigners. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wombat Posted February 9, 2018 Share Posted February 9, 2018 so simple... if you see one tell them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BwindiBoy Posted February 9, 2018 Share Posted February 9, 2018 Don't let so many Asian tourists in! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moti24 Posted February 9, 2018 Share Posted February 9, 2018 What to do about too many "ignorant" foreign tourists spoiling Thailand's marine life? The same as you did with the Bridge and Dart Players, in this case, confiscate the boats, problem solved! But first, better advise the top of the tree that the envelopes will be getting smaller; good luck with that one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ginjag Posted February 9, 2018 Share Posted February 9, 2018 Delete the Chinese Russian Thai tourists the largest by far in numbers, so are you pointing your finger at WHO ?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill Miller Posted February 9, 2018 Share Posted February 9, 2018 "What to do about too many "ignorant" foreign tourists spoiling Thailand's marine life?" The title is indeed insulting, and wide of the mark. Many of the measures mentioned as under consideration may help alleviate the damage, but it is wrong headed to blame the ""ignorant" foreign tourists". It is 100% Thai ignorance and lack of foresight that is to blame. Ignorance on the part of the regulators, if there really are such, of those whose job it is to maintain and preserve these areas. Ignorance and/or indifference on the part of the various tour operators. Just this morning we read about three Thai women fined for disporting themselves atop a Mountain Coral for a photo op. They indicated ignorance that it was a coral as opposed to a big rock, apologised, fined, and we are done with that episode. No shame, and they will not do it again. My point is that there is no shame in ignorance. Learn, educate, revise, move on. The shame is in not accepting responsibility but rather trying to deflect "blame" on really rather innocent parties. As has been mentioned in other commentary, the ""ignorant" foreign tourists" do not for the greatest part bring themselves to these fragile environments. By all means limit the traffic. Educate and license the operators. Stop letting an exaggerated notion of face saving inhibit right action and deflect energy and resources from effectively dealing with the problems. My opinions. . . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thaibeachlovers Posted February 9, 2018 Share Posted February 9, 2018 Everything I wanted to said been said, but seriously- too many "ignorant" foreign tourists spoiling Thailand's marine life? Do the people that always blame the tourists that can only get anywhere on THAI transport realise how foolish that is? If they want to look at the guilty parties, look in the mirror. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
natway09 Posted February 9, 2018 Share Posted February 9, 2018 Don't you just love one of their "solutions" spread them out to different areas so they can damage the whole bloody lot. Ever think about restricting access ??????? The almighty $ rules Kill the goose that lays the golden egg Just as well in 20 years Myanmar will open up its beautiful coastline as Thailand's will be ruined Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thaibeachlovers Posted February 9, 2018 Share Posted February 9, 2018 1 minute ago, natway09 said: Don't you just love one of their "solutions" spread them out to different areas so they can damage the whole bloody lot. Ever think about restricting access ??????? The almighty $ rules Kill the goose that lays the golden egg Just as well in 20 years Myanmar will open up its beautiful coastline as Thailand's will be ruined On a different thread a Thai official admitted they can't close Maya Bay long enough to let it recover because they'd be losing money. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaiyen Posted February 9, 2018 Share Posted February 9, 2018 Of all the islands around Phuket there is NOTHING worth seeing that makes an expensive day trip worthwhile Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobbyL Posted February 9, 2018 Share Posted February 9, 2018 18 minutes ago, Bill Miller said: My point is that there is no shame in ignorance. Learn, educate, revise, move on. The shame is in not accepting responsibility but rather trying to deflect "blame" on really rather innocent parties. . And this is the crux of it. The main reason why this country, as much as I love it, will never fully reach its potential. Even in generations to come. The whole 'saving face', lack of accountability, and shifting the blame by nearly the whole population is inherent in the culture. It will be VERY hard to change. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
juice777 Posted February 9, 2018 Share Posted February 9, 2018 "A ban on visits to just one place - visits should be spread out to several islands and beaches so that all could take the strain"Wait so they are going open up tourism on the other beaches and mess them up 2 save a different one Thai logic at its best.Sent from my SM-G900F using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Myran Posted February 9, 2018 Share Posted February 9, 2018 First of all, stop blaming "ignorant tourists". It's naturally the people arranging and allowing the visits who have to take responsibility Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Airbagwill Posted February 9, 2018 Share Posted February 9, 2018 Transferring the blame or passing the buck - it just shows how "ignorant" the authorities are when it comes to managing tourism Untrammelled development and little or no regulation is rapidly depleting the natural resources that made Thailand initially so popular. A case of defecating in one's own nest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teacherduck Posted February 9, 2018 Share Posted February 9, 2018 Have a look in the mirror Thailand. How many speed boat operators are there at tourist resorts, belting around at 100mph, and that doesn't destroy wild life and fishery stocks? But NO blame the tourists, the operators are not to blame, never Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ginjag Posted February 9, 2018 Share Posted February 9, 2018 31 minutes ago, Bill Miller said: "What to do about too many "ignorant" foreign tourists spoiling Thailand's marine life?" The title is indeed insulting, and wide of the mark. Many of the measures mentioned as under consideration may help alleviate the damage, but it is wrong headed to blame the ""ignorant" foreign tourists". It is 100% Thai ignorance and lack of foresight that is to blame. Ignorance on the part of the regulators, if there really are such, of those whose job it is to maintain and preserve these areas. Ignorance and/or indifference on the part of the various tour operators. Just this morning we read about three Thai women fined for disporting themselves atop a Mountain Coral for a photo op. They indicated ignorance that it was a coral as opposed to a big rock, apologised, fined, and we are done with that episode. No shame, and they will not do it again. My point is that there is no shame in ignorance. Learn, educate, revise, move on. The shame is in not accepting responsibility but rather trying to deflect "blame" on really rather innocent parties. As has been mentioned in other commentary, the ""ignorant" foreign tourists" do not for the greatest part bring themselves to these fragile environments. By all means limit the traffic. Educate and license the operators. Stop letting an exaggerated notion of face saving inhibit right action and deflect energy and resources from effectively dealing with the problems. My opinions. . . To add, agree with what you posted----Please do not transport 200 Chinese on a boat there---you are asking for mega problems Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
juice777 Posted February 9, 2018 Share Posted February 9, 2018 “An E-ticket system of advance booking so that visits could be spread out“ OK less crowds still the same amount of people damaging things “A ban on visits to just one place - visits should be spread out to several islands and beaches so that all could take the strain“ Now all the beaches are full of litter and spoilt "Better daily scheduling of visits to places so that overcrowding is limited“ So thats basically the same as the first Ideal "Operators and guides should train the tourists in appropriate behavior when down at the beach or snorkeling“ Well I thought they did they did when I went on a trip there years ago it was all obvious anyway and if you don't have that comen sense you won't listen anyway. "Closure of certain areas at certain times of the year to help the environment recover" Thats about the only one what makes sense. The simple answer less tourist limit the amount of tickets sold. I can't see any other way around it. Sent from my SM-G900F using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill Miller Posted February 9, 2018 Share Posted February 9, 2018 1 hour ago, hansnl said: That fishing was certainly done by foreigners. Why do you say that? Do you have documentation? One of the issues in the EU threat to ban Thai fisheries products in 2015 was the use of destructive fishing methods, including blast and cyanide fishing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kieran00001 Posted February 9, 2018 Share Posted February 9, 2018 5 hours ago, Chang_paarp said: How do the "ignorant foreign" tourists, and informed Thai tourists get to these places if not with the assistance of Thai tourist operators? Maybe, just maybe the emphasis is on the wrong part of the equation. Maybe, just maybe, if you read the OP you would realize that all the proposals are aimed at the operators and none of them at the tourists. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Knocker33 Posted February 9, 2018 Share Posted February 9, 2018 Ban the Chinese. End of story Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave moir Posted February 9, 2018 Share Posted February 9, 2018 6 hours ago, Chang_paarp said: How do the "ignorant foreign" tourists, and informed Thai tourists get to these places if not with the assistance of Thai tourist operators? Maybe, just maybe the emphasis is on the wrong part of the equation. It's called saving face! You should know by now Thais cannot take blame for anything!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnhw Posted February 9, 2018 Share Posted February 9, 2018 6 hours ago, ezflip said: Problem: Too many tourists Solution: Limit the numbers of tourists THAI solution: Charge more! What problem? Allow only peple like me & mine & people I like. So, What problem? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dap Posted February 9, 2018 Share Posted February 9, 2018 "Ignorance" is generally corrected with proper education. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sambum Posted February 9, 2018 Share Posted February 9, 2018 Surprised there's any marine life left at all the way that the Thai fisherman will take anything larger than a thumb nail and throw it in the pot!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Donotdisturb Posted February 9, 2018 Share Posted February 9, 2018 4 hours ago, Bluespunk said: Pesky foreigners, next they’ll be hunting endangered species in wildlife sanctuaries and attempting to bribe officials when caught. but but but, this man was *NOT* a proper thai but an ITAL-THAI 5555555555555 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CanuckThai Posted February 9, 2018 Share Posted February 9, 2018 Problem will be solved, when there's nothing left for Thai's to exploit or take. Build a new airport, devise a "new hub", bring on the tourist income. If it can be sold or eaten, it's days are numbered...TIT Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hashmodha Posted February 9, 2018 Share Posted February 9, 2018 Perhaps the first step would be to restrain the ignorant indigenous tour operators from encouraging/selling activities which damage the environment?Well written!Another major step....Regulatory measures...only authorized outlets selling restricted number of tickets...slowly streamlining the whole operation!Sent from my HUAWEI LUA-L21 using Thailand Forum - Thaivisa mobile app Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NeoDinosaw Posted February 9, 2018 Share Posted February 9, 2018 2 hours ago, hansnl said: That fishing was certainly done by foreigners. You meant "certainly done mainly by Thai fishermen" - right ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xaos Posted February 9, 2018 Share Posted February 9, 2018 Problem: Too many tourists Solution: Limit the numbers of tourists THAI solution: Charge more! What problem?They got same solution for all the problemsSent from my SM-G955F using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lucky mike Posted February 9, 2018 Share Posted February 9, 2018 No rules, no enforcement, no hope ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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