Non-Imm O-A Multiple Entry Visa. When does the 800K become a requirement?

[WhiteHatPhil]

I have tried to search for an answer, but needles & haystacks come to mind!

 

I have my first Non-Imm O-A Multiple entry Visa, which expires in October this year. I was informed over the weekend that I could actually apply for a 12 month extension of this, without having to pay the 800,000 baht etc.  After the extension expires in 2019, THEN I would have to show proof of income, etc.

 

Can anyone validate this? It would certainly be great to leave the money gathering (a tiny bit of) interest for another year.

 

Many thanks!

[sqwakvfr]

I have an O-A and this might be what your are talking about.  For example let's say your O-A Issue Date is Oct 2017 then your Enter Before Date would be Oct 2018.  During this time period you have Mutli-Entry status.  After Oct 2018 the Multi-Entry status no longer exists.  However, if you take a trip out of the country right before Oct 2018 then your New Permission to Stay in the Kingdom would be one year from your new entry date(minus one day). Therefore, you could get almost two years on one O-A Ext of Stay.  Also, after the Enter Before Date a Re-Entry Permit(Single or Multi) would be required in order to keep your Ext of Stay Valid.  An actual application to extend would not be required until you are close to your Permission to Stay expires in 2019.  I hope this answers your question.

[ubonjoe]

17 minutes ago, WhiteHatPhil said:

I have my first Non-Imm O-A Multiple entry Visa, which expires in October this year. I was informed over the weekend that I could actually apply for a 12 month extension of this, without having to pay the 800,000 baht etc.

You cannot apply for an extension at immigration. You just need to leave and re-enter the country to get another year.

As long as you do an entry on or before the enter before date on your visa you will get a new one year entry from it.

After getting that last one year entry you would need to get a re-entry permit to keep it valid.

Then during the last 30 days of that one year entry you could apply for an extension of stay at immigration. You would need 800k baht in a Thai bank for 60 days on the date your apply or proof of 65 baht income or a combination of the 2 totaling 800ki baht.

[Tanoshi]

The Non Imm O-A Visa allows multiple entries of 1 year until the 'enter before' date.

 

If you exit and re-enter Thailand the day before your 'enter before' date, you will be given 'permission to stay' for another year until October 2019.  The validity of a Visa and the validity of permission to stay are separate.

On the 'enter before' date your 0-A Visa will expire, so does the facility for entries.

 

If you plan to leave the Country during the second year of your permission to stay you must purchase a re-entry permit to keep the validity of your permission to stay valid. A single re-entry permit is 1,000 baht, a multi re-entry 3,800 baht.

 

Within the last 30 days of your permission to stay, you can apply for a 1 year extension of stay based on retirement (permit, not a Visa)

Only then will funds or income need to be shown as proof.

800,000 baht deposit in a Thai bank for 60 days prior to your application date, OR

an income of 65,000 baht per month, OR

a combination of funds and income totalling 800,000 baht a year.

 

 

[WhiteHatPhil]

I have to say those are some great answers. Thank you all.

 

So here is my understanding of what you have all said.

1. If I leave and re-enter the country shortly before my permission to stay expiration date of October 2018, I will be granted another 12 months permission.
2. If I leave the country again between Oct 18 and Oct 19, I will be required to buy a re-entry permit.
3. 60 days before Oct 19 I must ensure 800,000 baht are in my Thai bank account (or proof of income equivalent)
4. 30 days before Oct 19 I must apply for a 1 year extension of stay based on retirement.

 

With regards to no. 2, where and when would I buy the re-entry permit? When I land and am going through immigration at the airport? Or before I depart so that I have it ready to show when I land?

 

And finally, with regard to my 90 days reporting, does the clock start for that on the date I am last shown as arriving in the country (my last stamp is 30 January after a trip to Singapore)?

 

Thank you once again.

[ubonjoe]

2 minutes ago, WhiteHatPhil said:

If I leave and re-enter the country shortly before my permission to stay expiration date of October 2018, I will be granted another 12 months permission.

Not correct.

You have to leave and re-enter prior to the enter before date shown on the visa sticker from the embassy or consulate where you applied for it.

 

2 minutes ago, WhiteHatPhil said:

With regards to no. 2, where and when would I buy the re-entry permit? When I land and am going through immigration at the airport? Or before I depart so that I have it ready to show when I land?

You can get the re-entry permit at your local immigration or at either airport in Bangkok on departure from the country. You cannot get one on entry.

 

2 minutes ago, WhiteHatPhil said:

And finally, with regard to my 90 days reporting, does the clock start for that on the date I am last shown as arriving in the country (my last stamp is 30 January after a trip to Singapore)?

You need to do the report 90 days from the date your entered the country including that date in the count. Using January 30th your report is due on April 29th.

[WhiteHatPhil]

3 minutes ago, ubonjoe said:

Not correct.

You have to leave and re-enter prior to the enter before date shown on the visa sticker from the embassy or consulate where you applied for it.

Not sure, but we might be saying the same thing!  The "Enter before date" on the visa which is stuck into my passport says 18 October 2018....

[ubonjoe]

1 minute ago, WhiteHatPhil said:

Not sure, but we might be saying the same thing!  The "Enter before date" on the visa which is stuck into my passport says 18 October 2018....

You current permit to stay date is in January of 2019 from the entry you did on January 30th of this year.

You need to leave on or before October 18 to get a new one year entry.

[WhiteHatPhil]

2 minutes ago, ubonjoe said:

You current permit to stay date is in January of 2019 from the entry you did on January 30th of this year.

You need to leave on or before October 18 to get a new one year entry.

OK, got it thanks! 

[Mattd]

24 minutes ago, WhiteHatPhil said:

• 60 days before Oct 19 I must ensure 800,000 baht are in my Thai bank account (or proof of income equivalent)
• 30 days before Oct 19 I must apply for a 1 year extension of stay based on retirement.

If you do make an exit and then an entry before the expiration of your O-A visa (October 18th 2018?), then the above quotes only apply in 2019.

[Tanoshi]

2 hours ago, WhiteHatPhil said:

Not sure, but we might be saying the same thing!  The "Enter before date" on the visa which is stuck into my passport says 18 October 2018....

If you leave and re-enter on 17th October 2018, you will be stamped with permission to stay until 16th October 2019.

You should deposit 800,000 baht in a Thai bank on or before 18th July 2019

On 17th Sept 2019, the funds will have seasoned for 60 days and you will be within the last 30 days of your permission to stay.

You can then make the application anytime between 17th Sept 2019 and 16th Oct 2019.

 

You can purchase re-entry permits from your local Immigration office.

[ahjames]

But we can always go to savannakhet for non imm O without income proof isnt it?

[ubonjoe]

2 minutes ago, ahjames said:

But we can always go to savannakhet for non imm O without income proof isnt it?

Only if you are married to a Thai. 

[ahjames]

Oo ok thanks :)

[Rman]

I hold a Non-O-Multiple Entry (1 year visa) issued by the Thai embassy in Penang  and valid until 12.September. 2018. So, if I leave Thailand for a short trip to let's say KL on 11.September.2018 and I return to Thailand on the 12.September.2018,  I will get a 1 year extension at airport Immigration from the IO until September 2019?  Is it just a stamp as the usual " ...admitted until.." stamp?  Can I buy a Multiple-Re-Entry which it need for my new extension with my current Non-O-ME visa? I never heard of this option and I'm wondering why people without 800K in a Thai Bank do not know about it and still use expensive visa agents instead?

To be honest, it sounds a bit strange to me.

[overherebc]

31 minutes ago, Rman said:

I hold a Non-O-Multiple Entry (1 year visa) issued by the Thai embassy in Penang  and valid until 12.September. 2018. So, if I leave Thailand for a short trip to let's say KL on 11.September.2018 and I return to Thailand on the 12.September.2018,  I will get a 1 year extension at airport Immigration from the IO until September 2019?  Is it just a stamp as the usual " ...admitted until.." stamp?  Can I buy a Multiple-Re-Entry which it need for my new extension with my current Non-O-ME visa? I never heard of this option and I'm wondering why people without 800K in a Thai Bank do not know about it and still use expensive visa agents instead?

To be honest, it sounds a bit strange to me.

If you have a one year multi entry visa you leave and return every 90 days. Each time you will only get 90 days.

On your visa you will see an 'enter before' date.

If you leave and return the day before that date you will get 90 days. You will not get 'one year.'

That last 90 entry you can extend by another 60 days by applying at your local office with your wife copy of house book copy of marraige cert copy of her ID card and 1900 baht and of course your passport. Carry originals as well.

So your max will be almost 17 months.

Added copy of 60 day extension.

Just to add with a multi O you can extend any 90 day entry you get by the same 60 days. So first year you can do two lots, first 90+60, leave and return get 90+60. The last two months you need to do two in outs. 

[Tanoshi]

1 hour ago, Rman said:

I hold a Non-O-Multiple Entry (1 year visa) issued by the Thai embassy in Penang  and valid until 12.September. 2018. So, if I leave Thailand for a short trip to let's say KL on 11.September.2018 and I return to Thailand on the 12.September.2018,  I will get a 1 year extension at airport Immigration from the IO until September 2019?  Is it just a stamp as the usual " ...admitted until.." stamp?  Can I buy a Multiple-Re-Entry which it need for my new extension with my current Non-O-ME visa? I never heard of this option and I'm wondering why people without 800K in a Thai Bank do not know about it and still use expensive visa agents instead?

To be honest, it sounds a bit strange to me.

Your confusing the Visa you hold, a Non Imm O multi entry with the topic, a Non Imm O-A multi entry Visa.

Two different animals.

 

A multi entry Non Imm O Visa. Valid 1 year. Can be issued to those who have a Thai wife or family. This Visa allows unlimited 90 day entries before the ‘enter before’ date of the Visa, at which point this Visa is ‘used’. You cannot make 90 day reports at Immigration, you must leave and re-enter Thailand to obtain another 90 days permission to stay. You can extend each 90 day permission to stay one time by 60 days (at Immigration) for the purpose of visiting a Thai wife or child and the relationship is de jure and de facto.

If used correctly, you can stay in Thailand for almost 17 months with this Visa type with only 3 border crossings.

 

A multi entry Non Imm O-A Visa. (Long stay). Valid 1 year. Can be issued to those who are over 50 who intend to remain in Thailand for long periods. This Visa allows unlimited 1 year entries before the ‘enter before’ date of the Visa, at which point this Visa is ‘used’.

If you leave and re-enter just before the ‘enter before’ date of this Visa type you are granted another 1 year permission to stay. You will however require a re-entry permit if you intend to leave and re-enter Thailand during this 2^nd year permission to stay period.

This is because when the Visa expires on the ‘enter before’ date, so does the ME facility which is only valid until the ‘enter before’ date of the Visa.

You can obtain each 90 day permission to stay by either reporting to your local Immigration office (90 day reports), or exiting and re-entering Thailand. If used correctly, you can stay in Thailand for almost 24 months with this Visa type.

 

[yogi100]

Is it still the same routine to get a METV from the Embassy in London for an OAP by applying in person.

 

Do you still just take 

 

Passport

2 photos

Proof of pension

Fee

Application form

 

These were the previous requirements until 2016. Is it still the same. I am not married to a Thai.

[Tanoshi]

7 hours ago, yogi100 said:

Is it still the same routine to get a METV from the Embassy in London for an OAP by applying in person.

 

Do you still just take 

 

Passport

2 photos

Proof of pension

Fee

Application form

 

These were the previous requirements until 2016. Is it still the same. I am not married to a Thai.

The METV wasn't available until the very end of 2015.

It replaced the double entry TV which is what I think your referring to.

[ubonjoe]

11 hours ago, Rman said:

I hold a Non-O-Multiple Entry (1 year visa) issued by the Thai embassy in Penang  and valid until 12.September. 2018. So, if I leave Thailand for a short trip to let's say KL on 11.September.2018 and I return to Thailand on the 12.September.2018,  I will get a 1 year extension at airport Immigration from the IO until September 2019? 

No you will not get a one year entry. Your visa only allows 90 day entries.

The discussion is about having a NON-OA long stay visa that allows unlimited 1 year entries for a year from the date of issue.

[AAArdvark]

I am still confused.  I get a new O-A visa in the United States.  I arrive and then leave and re-enter before the "Enter Before Date" and I get permission to stay for another year from the date of re-entry.  Is that correct so far?

So what do I do at the end of the 2nd year in order to stay another year?  (I have the 800k)

Must I leave and re-enter the first year to get permission to stay another year or would it be the same as the end of  2nd year?

[ubonjoe]

33 minutes ago, Glenn Roe said:

I am still confused.  I get a new O-A visa in the United States.  I arrive and then leave and re-enter before the "Enter Before Date" and I get permission to stay for another year from the date of re-entry.  Is that correct so far?

Yes correct. You should do an entry just before the enter before date on your visa to get another one year entry to get the most you can from it. If you want to travel after your visa expires you must have a re-entry permit to keep you last entry valid.

33 minutes ago, Glenn Roe said:

So what do I do at the end of the 2nd year in order to stay another year?  (I have the 800k)

You would apply for a extension of stay during the last 30 days of the last entry from your visa by showing the 800k baht in Thai bank for 60 days at your local immigration office. Or get a new OA visa in the states.

33 minutes ago, Glenn Roe said:

Must I leave and re-enter the first year to get permission to stay another year or would it be the same as the end of  2nd year?

You do only have to leave one time during the first year unless you want to until just before your visa expires to get the extra one year from your visa. After the 2nd year you have to do as I posted above.

[Tanoshi]

27 minutes ago, Glenn Roe said:

I am still confused.  I get a new O-A visa in the United States.  I arrive and then leave and re-enter before the "Enter Before Date" and I get permission to stay for another year from the date of re-entry.  Is that correct so far?

Yes.

During the first year and before the Visa expires on the 'enter before' date, you can exit/re-enter Thailand whenever as the Visa type is multi entry. If you exit and re-enter just before the 'enter before' date you are given permission to stay for another year, but the Non O-A having now expired on the 'enter before' date, you need to purchase a re-entry permit if you intend to exit/re-entry during that second year of permission to stay.

The re-entry permit allows you to re-enter and keeps any remaining permission to stay period valid.

 

 

1 hour ago, Glenn Roe said:

So what do I do at the end of the 2nd year in order to stay another year?  (I have the 800k)

Must I leave and re-enter the first year to get permission to stay another year or would it be the same as the end of  2nd year?

Within the last 30 days of your final period of permission to stay, you apply for a 1 year extension based on retirement at your local Immigration office. Your extending your current permission to stay for another year, it's a permit, not a Visa and as such if you needed to exit/re-enter Thailand you'd need to purchase a re-entry permit again.

You would have to have 800K Thai baht deposited in a Thai bank for 2 months prior to the first application, 3 months for subsequent applications.

[AAArdvark]

20 hours ago, Tanoshi said:

Yes.

During the first year and before the Visa expires on the 'enter before' date, you can exit/re-enter Thailand whenever as the Visa type is multi entry. If you exit and re-enter just before the 'enter before' date you are given permission to stay for another year, but the Non O-A having now expired on the 'enter before' date, you need to purchase a re-entry permit if you intend to exit/re-entry during that second year of permission to stay.

The re-entry permit allows you to re-enter and keeps any remaining permission to stay period valid.

 

 

Within the last 30 days of your final period of permission to stay, you apply for a 1 year extension based on retirement at your local Immigration office. Your extending your current permission to stay for another year, it's a permit, not a Visa and as such if you needed to exit/re-enter Thailand you'd need to purchase a re-entry permit again.

You would have to have 800K Thai baht deposited in a Thai bank for 2 months prior to the first application, 3 months for subsequent applications.

A final clarification please.  Can I skip the exit/re-enter step at the end of the 1st year and just purchase permission extension as I would at the end of year 2?  Also, is it 800k in the bank or can it be income based as well?

[ubonjoe]

13 minutes ago, Glenn Roe said:

Can I skip the exit/re-enter step at the end of the 1st year and just purchase permission extension as I would at the end of year 2?  Also, is it 800k in the bank or can it be income based as well?

You don't have to do an entry just before your visa expires.

You can only apply for the extension of stay during last 30 days of your existing permit to stay you got from your most recent one year entry. 

You can show 800k baht in a Thai bank for 60 days or proof of 65k baht income or a combination of the 2 totaling 800k baht to apply for the extension.