Popular Post The Renegade Posted May 27, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted May 27, 2018 Let me remind you all of Barniers Dec 2017 speech to the European Parliament. Quote Speaking in the European Parliament, Michel Barnier said that the EU would not accept any arrangement that could undermine the single market and its “four freedoms.” https://www.ft.com/content/bc320e49-6e49-32ea-af18-e28a8b538afe As Freedom of movement is one of these 4 freedoms. Why are we still pretending to be negotiating ? 2 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomacht8 Posted May 27, 2018 Share Posted May 27, 2018 My friend like to drive around the UK with his truck and buy the best Scottish Whiskey. Then he drive down to Spain and sell the stuff at parties. On the way back he buy the best Spanish and French wines and then sell them in the UK. And then I'm not surprised he finds Brexit is shiiiiiiiiiit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grouse Posted May 27, 2018 Share Posted May 27, 2018 1 hour ago, Eloquent pilgrim said: Even you can't question this ........it is from one of your favourite publications ‘The Guardian’ QUOTE “A fully electric version of the Mini is to be built in the UK, giving a huge boost to the British car industry and relief to the government as it pursues an exit from the European Union. The move ends worries the new model could be made overseas after a warning in February from German owner BMW that it may look outside the UK because of the uncertainties caused by Brexit. BMW now says the electric drivetrain will be built at its plants in Bavaria before being integrated into the car at Cowley, near Oxford. The car will be a variant of its three-door hatch model and will go into production in 2019” So which bits will be British? The hub caps? Oh good! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grouse Posted May 27, 2018 Share Posted May 27, 2018 Thai Visa site not good today Anyone know what the problem is? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Orac Posted May 27, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted May 27, 2018 4 minutes ago, Grouse said: Thai Visa site not good today Anyone know what the problem is? Think it has given up the will to live under the onslaught of repetitive Brexit posts and blog threads from the management. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RuamRudy Posted May 27, 2018 Share Posted May 27, 2018 With the referendum result in Ireland firmly cementing its position as the most progressive part of the island, the Irish government has issued new designs for the border crossing. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post tebee Posted May 27, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted May 27, 2018 19 minutes ago, The Renegade said: Let me remind you all of Barniers Dec 2017 speech to the European Parliament. https://www.ft.com/content/bc320e49-6e49-32ea-af18-e28a8b538afe As Freedom of movement is one of these 4 freedoms. Why are we still pretending to be negotiating ? Some of us see Freedom of movement as a good thing old bean....... 4 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eloquent pilgrim Posted May 27, 2018 Share Posted May 27, 2018 (edited) 38 minutes ago, Grouse said: So which bits will be British? The hub caps? Oh good! Hub caps ….. are you replying to the thread about the 1975 referendum ? What BMW’s commitment does, is secure thousands of jobs for British workers at their Oxford plant; but you don't care about that because it doesn't suit your remainers rhetoric. Instead, you choose to poke fun at this great news for the UK and UK workers ……. well done, we're all laughing Edited May 27, 2018 by Eloquent pilgrim 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Jip99 Posted May 27, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted May 27, 2018 6 minutes ago, tebee said: Some of us see Freedom of movement as a good thing old bean....... ...and some don’t. Like the curate’s egg it is good in parts. Permitting 400,000 Rumanians economic migration to the UK is not in the good part. 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jip99 Posted May 27, 2018 Share Posted May 27, 2018 6 minutes ago, tebee said: Some of us see Freedom of movement as a good thing old bean....... ...and some don’t. Like the curate’s egg it is good in parts. Permitting 400,000 Rumanians economic migration to the UK is not in the good part. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tebee Posted May 27, 2018 Share Posted May 27, 2018 1 hour ago, The Renegade said: An article from Feb 2018. You should have tried an up to date article from bloomberg ..... How about this one today from a terrible left wing rag..... http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5775771/Were-road-Car-mageddon-hard-Brexit-drive-industry-ruin.html 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jip99 Posted May 27, 2018 Share Posted May 27, 2018 6 minutes ago, tebee said: Some of us see Freedom of movement as a good thing old bean....... ...and some don’t. Like the curate’s egg it is good in parts. Permitting 400,000 Rumanians economic migration to the UK is not in the good part. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jip99 Posted May 27, 2018 Share Posted May 27, 2018 6 minutes ago, tebee said: Some of us see Freedom of movement as a good thing old bean....... ...and some don’t. Like the curate’s egg it is good in parts. Permitting 400,000 Rumanians economic migration to the UK is not in the good part. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jip99 Posted May 27, 2018 Share Posted May 27, 2018 6 minutes ago, tebee said: Some of us see Freedom of movement as a good thing old bean....... ...and some don’t. Like the curate’s egg it is good in parts. Permitting 400,000 Rumanians economic migration to the UK is not in the good part. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aright Posted May 27, 2018 Share Posted May 27, 2018 4 hours ago, Grouse said: . In conclusion leaving the CU and moving away from SM convergence, will kill the high volume car production sector over time as it becomes less competitive to assemble vehicles here than say, Hungary. There will be massive knock on effects for component manufacturers. Assembly in the low wage Visigrad countries is already proving problematic. This alienation became apparent last June, when the huge VW factory at Bratislava had its first strike since 1992 The Slovak government supported workers’ demands for a 16% pay increase, and Robert Fico, the Social Democrat prime minister governing in coalition with nationalists, asked: ‘Why should a company making one of the highest quality and most luxurious cars, with a high labour productivity, pay its Slovak workers half or one third of the amount it pays to the same workers in western Europe?’ I am sure with your sense of fairness you would be on the picket line. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aright Posted May 27, 2018 Share Posted May 27, 2018 (edited) Sorry double post. I think I will wait for the cure. F-1 in half hour Edited May 27, 2018 by aright Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soalbundy Posted May 27, 2018 Share Posted May 27, 2018 38 minutes ago, Eloquent pilgrim said: Hub caps ….. are you replying to the thread about the 1975 referendum ? What BMW’s commitment does, is secure thousands of jobs for British workers at their Oxford plant; but you don't care about that because it doesn't suit your remainers rhetoric. Instead, you choose to poke fun at this great news for the UK and UK workers ……. well done, we're all laughing Not thousands,the BMW factory in China producing electric cars has very few workers, highly automated, hard brexit, no factory but even BMW knows this wont happen. The British government has already budgeted for MEP"s for 2019 ( purely precautionary of course) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soalbundy Posted May 27, 2018 Share Posted May 27, 2018 38 minutes ago, Eloquent pilgrim said: Hub caps ….. are you replying to the thread about the 1975 referendum ? What BMW’s commitment does, is secure thousands of jobs for British workers at their Oxford plant; but you don't care about that because it doesn't suit your remainers rhetoric. Instead, you choose to poke fun at this great news for the UK and UK workers ……. well done, we're all laughing Not thousands,the BMW factory in China producing electric cars has very few workers, highly automated, hard brexit, no factory but even BMW knows this wont happen. The British government has already budgeted for MEP"s for 2019 ( purely precautionary of course) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jip99 Posted May 27, 2018 Share Posted May 27, 2018 4 minutes ago, aright said: Assembly in the low wage Visigrad countries is already proving problematic. This alienation became apparent last June, when the huge VW factory at Bratislava had its first strike since 1992 The Slovak government supported workers’ demands for a 16% pay increase, and Robert Fico, the Social Democrat prime minister governing in coalition with nationalists, asked: ‘Why should a company making one of the highest quality and most luxurious cars, with a high labour productivity, pay its Slovak workers half or one third of the amount it pays to the same workers in western Europe?’ I am sure with your sense of fairness you would be on the picket line. Sounds like 1970’s Britain... 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grouse Posted May 27, 2018 Share Posted May 27, 2018 52 minutes ago, Eloquent pilgrim said: Hub caps ….. are you replying to the thread about the 1975 referendum ? What BMW’s commitment does, is secure thousands of jobs for British workers at their Oxford plant; but you don't care about that because it doesn't suit your remainers rhetoric. Instead, you choose to poke fun at this great news for the UK and UK workers ……. well done, we're all laughing No, you still miss the point. The entire drive train will be brought in from Germany. They will rely upon UK wheelbarrow expertise while retaining the Eur1 rating for content. It gives me no joy I assure you. Alec Issigonis must be rotating. At 6000 rpm. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grouse Posted May 27, 2018 Share Posted May 27, 2018 52 minutes ago, Eloquent pilgrim said: Hub caps ….. are you replying to the thread about the 1975 referendum ? What BMW’s commitment does, is secure thousands of jobs for British workers at their Oxford plant; but you don't care about that because it doesn't suit your remainers rhetoric. Instead, you choose to poke fun at this great news for the UK and UK workers ……. well done, we're all laughing No, you still miss the point. The entire drive train will be brought in from Germany. They will rely upon UK wheelbarrow expertise while retaining the Eur1 rating for content. It gives me no joy I assure you. Alec Issigonis must be rotating. At 6000 rpm. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grouse Posted May 27, 2018 Share Posted May 27, 2018 1 hour ago, Eloquent pilgrim said: Hub caps ….. are you replying to the thread about the 1975 referendum ? What BMW’s commitment does, is secure thousands of jobs for British workers at their Oxford plant; but you don't care about that because it doesn't suit your remainers rhetoric. Instead, you choose to poke fun at this great news for the UK and UK workers ……. well done, we're all laughing No, you still miss the point. The entire drive train will be brought in from Germany. They will rely upon UK wheelbarrow expertise while retaining the Eur1 rating for content. It gives me no joy I assure you. Alec Issigonis must be rotating. At 6000 rpm. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Eloquent pilgrim Posted May 27, 2018 Share Posted May 27, 2018 (edited) 1 hour ago, soalbundy said: Not thousands,the BMW factory in China producing electric cars has very few workers, highly automated, hard brexit, no factory but even BMW knows this wont happen. The British government has already budgeted for MEP"s for 2019 ( purely precautionary of course) Why are you talking about China, has it moved to the EU ?? I am talking about the Mini Plant in Oxford, which employs about 3,800 production workers. If you are going to reply to any comment I make, please try to remain on topic; if you want to spout off about how few workers BMW employs in China, please write your own comment on a relevant thread Edited May 27, 2018 by Eloquent pilgrim 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billd766 Posted May 27, 2018 Share Posted May 27, 2018 7 hours ago, dick dasterdly said: "There are people who are paid to do this for a living. Let them do their jobs whether you agree with what they do or not." You trust politicians a lot more than me! We have a remainer PM plus the vast majority of MPs supporting remain.... Why on earth would you trust them? Trust is a relative term. They were elected democratically and unless they resign or ar fired they will be there until the next election and many of them will still be there after the election. As I pointed out to another poster despite the thousands of posts and millions of words both for and against Brexit there isn't a damn thing that we can do about it. The only way that any of us can change it is to live in the UK, stand as a candidate at the next election, win that seat and then just possibly we can make a difference. If that does not happen then nothing we do, say, scream, rant or any other term you want to use will make the slightest bit of difference, trust a politician or not. Our one personal vote MAY make a difference in a contitiuency but most probably not so to quote an old phrase Praise the lord and pass the ammunition. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LJfJPxLntZU Verse 2 line 2 seems appropriate. Praise the Lord and swing into position Can't afford to be a politician Praise the Lord, we're all between perdition And the deep blue sea Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billd766 Posted May 27, 2018 Share Posted May 27, 2018 7 hours ago, dick dasterdly said: "There are people who are paid to do this for a living. Let them do their jobs whether you agree with what they do or not." You trust politicians a lot more than me! We have a remainer PM plus the vast majority of MPs supporting remain.... Why on earth would you trust them? Trust is a relative term. They were elected democratically and unless they resign or ar fired they will be there until the next election and many of them will still be there after the election. As I pointed out to another poster despite the thousands of posts and millions of words both for and against Brexit there isn't a damn thing that we can do about it. The only way that any of us can change it is to live in the UK, stand as a candidate at the next election, win that seat and then just possibly we can make a difference. If that does not happen then nothing we do, say, scream, rant or any other term you want to use will make the slightest bit of difference, trust a politician or not. Our one personal vote MAY make a difference in a contitiuency but most probably not so to quote an old phrase Praise the lord and pass the ammunition. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LJfJPxLntZU Verse 2 line 2 seems appropriate. Praise the Lord and swing into position Can't afford to be a politician Praise the Lord, we're all between perdition And the deep blue sea Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post George FmplesdaCosteedback Posted May 27, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted May 27, 2018 On 5/26/2018 at 3:04 PM, tebee said: How many Brexiteers does it take to change a lightbulb? Two. One to promise a brighter future and the second to screw it up How many votes does it take to make a democratic decision? How much does it cost to change a light bulb in the EU parliaments? (And move it to Strasbourg?) How many saboteur remoaners does it take to derail a negotiation? 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
George FmplesdaCosteedback Posted May 27, 2018 Share Posted May 27, 2018 On 5/26/2018 at 8:33 AM, The Renegade said: In the surreal world inhabited by remainers, the 28% who did not vote, abstained or were just too lazy to vote were remainers ?? Ergo, we should remain in the EU. Good one! On 5/26/2018 at 9:24 AM, RuamRudy said: Of course not, so do not twist my words to suggest something contrary in order to make a cheap dig. It was stated that Scotland in the EU would have no powers I give you an example which proves that small countries can have a large impact. Scotland will have to apply to join the EU and pay their debts to the UK after independence. Can the EU afford another blood sucker on its books? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
George FmplesdaCosteedback Posted May 27, 2018 Share Posted May 27, 2018 (edited) On 5/26/2018 at 8:33 AM, The Renegade said: In the surreal world inhabited by remainers, the 28% who did not vote, abstained or were just too lazy to vote were remainers ?? Ergo, we should remain in the EU. Good one! On 5/26/2018 at 9:24 AM, RuamRudy said: Of course not, so do not twist my words to suggest something contrary in order to make a cheap dig. It was stated that Scotland in the EU would have no powers I give you an example which proves that small countries can have a large impact. Scotland will have to apply to join the EU and pay their debts to the UK after independence. Can the EU afford another blood sucker on its books? On 5/26/2018 at 10:03 AM, RuamRudy said: Disappointing to see that the traditions of Brexiteers misrepresenting the truth - or simply inventing their own reality haven't gone away. So, which quote is genuine and which is more false news? Benn and Shore's speeches are verbatim. Edited May 27, 2018 by George FmplesdaCosteedback 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post George FmplesdaCosteedback Posted May 27, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted May 27, 2018 On 5/26/2018 at 1:34 PM, Eloquent pilgrim said: This is an amazing speech by Peter Shore, one of Labour’s finest ever politicians. Watch the squirming traitor Ted Heath in the background, the man that had just been told by Geoffrey Rippon, "If we want to enter the EEC (as it was then known) we will have to sacrifice Britain's fishermen” Ironic that it took a labour politician to expose the potentially disastrous consequences for the British people of joining the EEC (EU) The birth of fear mongering Many thanks for that, I haven't seen it for 30+ years. Superb speech. Corbyn has been a Eurosceptic for 35 years, but he wants power and will do anything to get it. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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