Brexit has created chaos in Britain – nobody voted for this

[nontabury]

17 hours ago, Orac said:

 

 

The decision to move this production to Slovakia is specifically due to uncertainty about Brexit - the plan originally was to build them in Solihull as recently as the following from an interview last September.

 

 

“Top JLR boss Andy Goss told Sky News that its investment in a car plant in Slovakia should now be seen as a "hedge" against uncertainty around the post-Brexit trading environment.

 

"It's become a hedge by default - we will assess everything in the cold light of day - we don't expect to do it, but if we have to we will," he told me.”

 

https://news.sky.com/story/brexit-forensics-why-car-industry-is-getting-worried-11041671

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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I think the decision to move production to Slovakia, was prompted by the Bureacrats in Brussels decision to grant the Slovakian government 108,000,000 Euros. The same as when the E.U granted a loan, 80,000,00 Euros on very favourable terms to Turkey,when production was moved to that non- E.U country from Southampton. Now where did all that money originate? O.k I’l help you out, 

Germany and ?

 

 

[aright]

Germany called out for stoking trade tensions with its 'fat' current account

 

Germany is the EU’s biggest exporter to the US. Over one million jobs are thought to depend on trade with America.  

Germany’s surplus has also been heavily criticised by the world’s lender of last resort, the International Monetary Fund, and its fellow eurozone members.

German Chancellor Angela Merkel has tried to defend the country's surplus in recent months, claiming that it was narrowing, thanks to increased domestic demand. 

However, earlier this year, an exposé by German economists claimed that the country was attempting to mask the true scale of its current account surplus in order to avoid more criticism.

 

https://uk.news.yahoo.com/germany-called-stoking-trade-tensions-152516560.html

[Chomper Higgot]

8 hours ago, Eloquent pilgrim said:

What on earth are you being so precious about, you were only asked a civil and not unreasonable question as to what country you are from. You weren't asked to reveal any personal information whatsoever. I think you have issues if you feel that telling anyone what country you come from is sacrosanct

My nationality is a piece of information I do not wish to share.

 

Mothing to do with your notions of civility everything to do with my idea of where my privacy starts/ends.

[Chomper Higgot]

8 hours ago, CG1 Blue said:

Ok, look at these percentages that voted Leave:

 

70% of Sun readers

70% of Daily Express readers

66% of Daily Mail readers

22% of FT Readers

10% of Guardian readers

 

This is a just sample set of newspapers.  There would also have been lots of people who don't read any newspapers voting Leave.  17.4m people voted to Leave the EU. According to your logic that number should be a lot higher.

 

 

 

You obviously weren’t paying attention at school during your mathematics classes were you?!

 

The class you slept through might have been called Boolean Algebra, Logic, Venn Diagrams or Sets.

 

Here’s a clue:

 

I subscribe to two British newspapers, in addition to which I regularly read two other British newspapers. 

 

In total then I regularly read 4 British newspapers.

 

I didn’t get 4 votes in the referendum.

 

Likewise people who read the Sun and the Express did not get two votes...

 

 

 

Edited June 12, 2018 by Chomper Higgot

[Kieran00001]

6 hours ago, 7by7 said:

 

Students are included in the Home Office's figures

 

Under the Census Act anyone who was in the UK on the date of the census and has lived, or intends to live, in the UK for three months or more must be included. The 2011 census also asked immigrants of all categories their date of arrival in the UK and how long they intended to stay.

 

You quoted the ONS there, not the Home Office, as I said, the ONS does include students.  As does the census, but they provide the data broken down, so the figures don't necessarily include them, and according to the UN rules they are only to be added to the overall population numbers if they stay for at least one full year, which most students do not.

[tebee]

Andrew Adonis :-
 

One minister just said to me: ‘the thing about Brexit is it’s like the poll tax. It doesn’t matter whether you are for it or against it. It just can’t be done without bringing the whole house down.’  

 

The poll tax brought Margaret Thatcher down

[The Renegade]

9 hours ago, tebee said:

Ah  ! A conservative I can agree with !!! Dr Phillip Lee in his ministerial resignation statement says :-

 

" Regrettably, it seems inevitable that the people, economy and culture of my constituency will be affected negatively, and I cannot ignore that it is to them that I owe my first responsibility. "

You just cannot help yourself tebee. Such is your desire to try and undermine Brexit at every opportunity that you have taken to posting anything that appears to support your stance.

 

Dr Phillip Lee who's Constituency is Bracknell, bleating about his constituency.

 

Quote

Bracknell votes LEAVE

Votes for Remain were: 29,888

Votes for Leave were: 35,002

The turnout was: 76.1 per cent

By resigning he is actually shafting his constituency.

 

He also voted for triggering Article 50

 

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/article-50-parliament-mps-vote-brexit-theresa-may-eu-negotiations-labour-conservative-how-voted-a7558291.html

 

Nice to hear you agree with a snake, that has been getting paid under false pretenses.

[Kieran00001]

Just now, The Renegade said:

You just cannot help yourself tebee. Such is your desire to try and undermine Brexit at every opportunity that you have taken to posting anything that appears to support your stance.

 

Dr Phillip Lee who's Constituency is Bracknell, bleating about his constituency.

 

By resigning he is actually shafting his constituency.

 

He also voted for triggering Article 50

 

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/article-50-parliament-mps-vote-brexit-theresa-may-eu-negotiations-labour-conservative-how-voted-a7558291.html

 

Nice to hear you agree with a snake, that has been getting paid under false pretenses.

 

Utter drivel, how is trying to get them a further referendum on the final deal shafting them?

[The Renegade]

Just now, Kieran00001 said:

 

Utter drivel, how is trying to get them a further referendum on the final deal shafting them?

The only drivel around these parts flows from your mouth at a rate of about 500 litres per minute.

 

9 minutes ago, The Renegade said:

Bracknell votes LEAVE

Votes for Remain were: 29,888

Votes for Leave were: 35,002

The turnout was: 76.1 per cent

Do you think his constituents, who he is paid to represent want a further referendum, or do they just want to leave.

 

To take your education one step further, he did not resign over another referendum. That was not up for debate yesterday.

 

Why oh why, do you insist on a daily basis, of showing of that you have the educational level of a 2 year old ?

 

[tebee]

2 minutes ago, The Renegade said:

....

 

Do you think his constituents, who he is paid to represent want a further referendum, or do they just want to leave.

 

..?

 

Yes

 

[Kieran00001]

1 minute ago, The Renegade said:

The only drivel around these parts flows from your mouth at a rate of about 500 litres per minute.

 

Do you think his constituents, who he is paid to represent want a further referendum, or do they just want to leave.

 

To take your education one step further, he did not resign over another referendum. That was not up for debate yesterday.

 

Why oh why, do you insist on a daily basis, of showing of that you have the educational level of a 2 year old ?

 

 

What are you thinking or are you just not thinking?  Don't you respect democracy or are you just running scared of what might be written on that voting slip?  All pols indicate that the majority of people want a second referendum on the final deal, and he did resign over this, obviously you didn't read his resignation letter.  Your blunders are here for all to see, you;'re fooling no one.

[Eloquent pilgrim]

44 minutes ago, tebee said:

Andrew Adonis :-
 

One minister just said to me: ‘the thing about Brexit is it’s like the poll tax. It doesn’t matter whether you are for it or against it. It just can’t be done without bringing the whole house down.’  

 

The poll tax brought Margaret Thatcher down

Andrew Adonis is a ‘Lord’ and a Guardian journalist, so he has achieved the remarkable feat of becoming a muppet twice in his life …… what a jerk

[transam]

9 hours ago, 7by7 said:

 A question you should direct to the Thai MFA, not I; assuming you actually want an answer and are not merely clutching at straws.

 

Doesn't change the fact that until they have ILR non EEA nationals, and presumably post Brexit EEA nationals as well, living in the UK have to regularly renew their leave to remain. Even after they have ILR, their permission to stay is indefinite, not permanent.

 

I see there is a topic in the Thai visas forum about alternatives to visa runs. Of course, visa runs are not an option for immigrants living in the UK.

 

A good dodge...

 

You always have all the answers regarding getting foreign folk into the UK, yet you cannot give me a reason or guess why LOS uses the term NON immigrant in PP's...

[sandyf]

18 hours ago, transam said:

Did the UK trade with Europe before the EU came along, did Europe trade with the UK before the EU came along....?

I would suggest ruling the waves has nothing to do with this topic, that is unless you are envious of the UK's past history..

Yes, I was one of those trading with Europe before the single market, and it wasn't easy. Many companies in the area came to us for advice and backed off when they realised how much hassle was involved.

Only those that never participated would advocate going back to that scenario.

[transam]

1 minute ago, sandyf said:

Yes, I was one of those trading with Europe before the single market, and it wasn't easy. Many companies in the area came to us for advice and backed off when they realised how much hassle was involved.

Only those that never participated would advocate going back to that scenario.

Did they have computers back then...?

[The Renegade]

1 hour ago, tebee said:

Yes

tebee, the stunning intellect that went into providing that one word answer shot through my laptop and hit me like a lightening bolt right between the eyes ??

 

The question was 

 

Quote

Do you think his constituents, who he is paid to represent want a further referendum, or do they just want to leave ?

 So was your one word answer, an answer to:

 

Yes, they would like a further Referendum ?

 

Or

 

Yes, they just want to leave ?

 

Either way, would you kindly supply some sort of official figure, from a reputable source, verifying your answer.

 

If you are unable to do this, please join Kieran0001 ( is that his age ? ) in the drivel corner.

[sandyf]

17 hours ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Don't get me wrong, it wasn't all bad news. The UK used to export labourers and construction site workers to Germany, it gave rise to one of the UK's best sit-coms.

I was stationed in Germany in 1972 and a guy I knew at school came to work on a local building site, a real life Auf Weidersehen Pet.

 

BTW as a labourer he was earning 3 times what I was getting as a SNCO in HM Forces.

[The Renegade]

1 hour ago, Kieran00001 said:

All pols indicate that the majority of people want a second referendum on the final deal, and he did resign over this, obviously you didn't read his resignation letter.  Your blunders are here for all to see, you;'re fooling no one.

I refer you to the Irish Times.

 

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/world/uk/full-text-of-phillip-lee-statement-on-his-resignation-1.3527799

 

Not one word on a second referendum.

 

I quote

 

Quote

The main reason for my taking this decision now is the Brexit process and the Government’s wish to limit Parliament’s role in contributing to the final outcome in a vote that takes place today.

How sad that you do not know the difference between a Referendum and a Parliamentary vote. But hey, that is the so called highly educated remainers for you.

[Orac]

How sad that you do not know the difference between a Referendum and a Parliamentary vote. But hey, that is the so called highly educated remainers for you.

Do you actual read the articles you post or are you just blind to anything that does not agree with your views. The statement from Dr Lee clearly states:

“When the Government is able to set out an achievable, clearly defined path – one that has been properly considered, whose implications have been foreseen, and that is rooted in reality and evidence, not dreams and dogma – it should go to the people, once again, to seek their confirmation.”


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[sandyf]

28 minutes ago, transam said:

Did they have computers back then...?

It has already been stated that the AI solution is not a viable option.

 

You can put your head in the sand or inside your computer as much as you like but the question of origin is not going to go away. If you choose to remove the common origin then you must accept responsibility for proving origin, something that seems difficult for those that have chosen to leave to comprehend.

 

Not only will the old hurdles to exporting reappear but new ones are being introduced.

 

The EC has advised manufacturers they should examine the “legal repercussions” and either get their future CE certification through an EU member state or transfer existing files to an EU-notified body, which could take between two and six months.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/jan/22/uk-jobs-at-risk-ec-warns-on-safety-standards-post-brexit

 

With the ICO being excluded from participating in GDPR’s one-stop shop mechanism, it also means UK businesses will have to choose an alternative data protection agency within the EU to act as their lead regulator after Brexit — putting yet another burden on startups as they will need to build new relationships with a regulator in the EU.

https://techcrunch.com/2018/05/29/brexit-blow-for-uks-hopes-of-helping-set-ai-rules-in-europe/

[Chomper Higgot]

1 hour ago, transam said:

A good dodge...

 

You always have all the answers regarding getting foreign folk into the UK, yet you cannot give me a reason or guess why LOS uses the term NON immigrant in PP's...

Transam, I hate to break this to you, but Thailand’s immigration laws and policies have absolutely no bearing on those of the UK.

 

Do endeavour to grasp that reality and you’ll be able avoid making spacious arguments based on your current misunderstanding.

 

 

 

[The Renegade]

23 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Do endeavour to grasp that reality and you’ll be able avoid making spacious arguments based on your current misunderstanding.

Spacious arguments ??

 

I think the word you were looking for was spurious.

 

Easy mistake to make for a non native English speaker, or those that have a low level of education, but claim to be highly intelligent remainers.

 

This thread really hits home the major failings of the Demographic models that appeared straight after the Brexit Referendum.

[Chomper Higgot]

13 minutes ago, The Renegade said:

Spacious arguments ??

 

I think the word you were looking for was spurious.

 

Easy mistake to make for a non native English speaker, or those that have a low level of education, but claim to be highly intelligent remainers.

 

This thread really hits home the major failings of the Demographic models that appeared straight after the Brexit Referendum.

More weak attempts at personal insults and of course the same unfounded assumptions.

 

Try playing the ball and not the man.

 

[Eloquent pilgrim]

3 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

More weak attempts at personal insults and of course the same unfounded assumptions.

 

Try playing the ball and not the man.

 

Difficult to play the ball when we don't know which country it's in, let alone know which pitch it's on 

[Chomper Higgot]

1 minute ago, Eloquent pilgrim said:

Difficult to play the ball when we don't know which country it's in, let alone know which pitch it's on 

It’s in play on the Brexit pitch.

 

Do at least try to keep up old chap.

[The Renegade]

6 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

More weak attempts at personal insults and of course the same unfounded assumptions.

No insult attempted or implied. I was merely trying to assist you in getting to grips with the English Language.

 

Spacious - Spurious, easy mistake to make.

 

8 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Try playing the ball and not the man.

I do not need to play the man. You are more than capable of doing that to yourself.

[Grouse]

3 hours ago, The Renegade said:

You just cannot help yourself tebee. Such is your desire to try and undermine Brexit at every opportunity that you have taken to posting anything that appears to support your stance.

 

Dr Phillip Lee who's Constituency is Bracknell, bleating about his constituency.

 

By resigning he is actually shafting his constituency.

 

He also voted for triggering Article 50

 

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/article-50-parliament-mps-vote-brexit-theresa-may-eu-negotiations-labour-conservative-how-voted-a7558291.html

 

Nice to hear you agree with a snake, that has been getting paid under false pretenses.

Clearly you misunderstand the responsibility of an MP. I suggest you read up on it. It would have been clear if you had watched the debates in parliament yesterday. Your comment is disingenuous and disrespectful to our representative democracy

[Eloquent pilgrim]

French populist government surges to the right ????

 

The populist French government of President Macron and his En Marche party are accused of surging to the right, something that is now happening throughout the EU

 

Quote from the Times

 

**** President Macron has betrayed his pledge to occupy the centre ground of French politics by adopting right-wing Anglo-Saxon-style policies, according to three of his prominent backers.

 

Jean Pisani-Ferry, Philippe Aghion and Philippe Martin, the economists who helped to write his campaign manifesto, claim that he has abandoned his promise to implement inclusive Scandinavian-style measures and is instead drawing inspiration from countries such as the UK and America.

 

Their criticism of the French leader, in a document leaked to the French press, underlines mounting discontent among Mr Macron’s left-leaning supporters about his political positions ****

 

This should come as no surprise to anyone, Macron was elected on the basis of being all things to all men (and women) That's not a pretence that one can keep up for very long, and he's been well and truly rumbled. He will now retreat to a small bistro, while his country remains in chaos. Invaded by north Africa, held to ransom by the unions and farmers, and told what to do by the Germans. Oh, la la, vive la belle EU

[Grouse]

3 hours ago, The Renegade said:

The only drivel around these parts flows from your mouth at a rate of about 500 litres per minute.

 

Do you think his constituents, who he is paid to represent want a further referendum, or do they just want to leave.

 

To take your education one step further, he did not resign over another referendum. That was not up for debate yesterday.

 

Why oh why, do you insist on a daily basis, of showing of that you have the educational level of a 2 year old ?

 

Do try and show some courtesy to your interlocutors. I don't think you listened to the debates yesterday otherwise you would know that several options were discussed. If you continue with your unpleasantness,  I for one will leave you to discuss with your acolytes alone. You must have noticed that several members have ceased contributing to this thread.

[transam]

1 hour ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Transam, I hate to break this to you, but Thailand’s immigration laws and policies have absolutely no bearing on those of the UK.

 

Do endeavour to grasp that reality and you’ll be able avoid making spacious arguments based on your current misunderstanding.

 

 

 

I was trying to clear something up, sorry if that offended you. You just crack on....