Brexit has created chaos in Britain – nobody voted for this

[soalbundy]

32 minutes ago, transam said:

Blimey, they could measure all that stuff waaaay back then when l thought they thought the world was flat....

Greek astronomers knew the world was round 2,000 years ago, sort of makes the flat earthers seem even dummer

[Kieran00001]

9 minutes ago, soalbundy said:

probably the megalithic yard.

 

They did it by comparing the suns position at different latitudes a known distance apart.

[vogie]

10 minutes ago, Kieran00001 said:

 

They did it by comparing the suns position at different latitudes a known distance apart.

All you have to remember is that 50mm = 2 inches and you won't go far wrong.

[Kieran00001]

Just now, vogie said:

All you have to remember is that 50mm = 2 inches and you won't go far wrong.

 

How will that help in measuring the circumference of the earth?

[nauseus]

4 minutes ago, Kieran00001 said:

 

Nothing was forced on anyone, the CFP was a part of the deal.  And nothing I said was untrue, we have chosen to swap a lot of our quota, that is because we like to eat fish that for most of the year are not found in our waters.  Also we have sold a lot of our quotas, and so we see the likes of the Dutch owned super trawler, but the quota remains British and so by EU law it has to dock at a British harbour, sell its catch in a British market and employ British fishermen, but I doubt they wrote that in your tabloid, did they?

 

And I do not know which British fishermen you think you speak anyway, for but I know plenty of British fishermen who voted remain, and that is because they know that EU funding is propping up their boat building industry, they know that the EU built their fish market and they know that the EU protects their now archaic practice despite the UK seeking to ban it, those fishermen only stand to lose from Brexit as the UK will outlaw what they do.  You may have read the tabloids and assumed that all the fishermen were in sort of alliance and were for Brexit, but the fact is they are in various circumstances and there are plenty who are pro EU.

I don't know any fishermen who voted remain. The 92% for out suggested below sounds more like it!

 

http://uk.businessinsider.com/uks-pro-brexit-fishing-industry-feels-betrayed-by-theresa-may-2016-11

[Kieran00001]

Just now, nauseus said:

I don't know any fishermen who voted remain. The 92% for out suggested below sounds more like it!

 

http://uk.businessinsider.com/uks-pro-brexit-fishing-industry-feels-betrayed-by-theresa-may-2016-11

 

More like what?  I never gave any figures!

[soalbundy]

17 minutes ago, Kieran00001 said:

 

They did it by comparing the suns position at different latitudes a known distance apart.

Yes I know, even then they knew trigonometry but the megalithic yard (which really seems to have existed) sounds so much better.

[vogie]

13 minutes ago, Kieran00001 said:

 

How will that help in measuring the circumference of the earth?

And how will measuring the circumference of the earth help with brexit, only thing you have established is that you're going off on a tangent.

[nauseus]

13 minutes ago, Kieran00001 said:

 

More like what?  I never gave any figures!

More like the true average percentage of British fishermen who voted out. That's what!

[Kieran00001]

3 minutes ago, vogie said:

And how will measuring the circumference of the earth help with brexit, only thing you have established is that you're going off on a tangent.

 

The earths circumference was used in defining the metric measures.  The only thing that you have established is that you did not follow the conversation and instead just butted in assuming we were talking about something we were not.

[aright]

7 minutes ago, vogie said:

And how will measuring the circumference of the earth help with brexit, only thing you have established is that you're going off on a tangent.

Are tandems coming back into fashion?

[nauseus]

5 minutes ago, vogie said:

And how will measuring the circumference of the earth help with brexit, only thing you have established is that you're going off on a tangent.

Would that be a metric tangent, or an imperial one? 

 

 

[Kieran00001]

2 minutes ago, nauseus said:

More like the true average percentage of British fishermen who voted out. That's what!

 

"average percentage"

Considering this revelation I will end it here, I had no idea what I was up against.

[dick dasterdly]

Had to laugh at the latest govt. 'Spring statement - that boils down to:-

 

'We're having to improve our forecast (again) for this year, but are sure brexit will result in things going downhill in '21/'22'.....

Edited March 14, 2018 by dick dasterdly

[Khun Han]

3 minutes ago, Kieran00001 said:

 

"average percentage"

Considering this revelation I will end it here, I had no idea what I was up against.

 

No probs.

 

Is there a maths Section on ThaiVisa?

[nauseus]

1 minute ago, Kieran00001 said:

 

"average percentage"

Considering this revelation I will end it here, I had no idea what I was up against.

Badly put by me but if you had bothered to read the article you might have understood. Maybe.

[Khun Han]

1 minute ago, dick dasterdly said:

Had to laugh at the latest govt. 'Spring statement - that boils down to:-

 

'We're having to improve our forecast for this year, but are sure brexit will result in things going downhill in '21/'22'.....

 

It's almost becoming monotonous, isn't it? Coming up to two years now with these nonsense forecasts.

[nauseus]

11 minutes ago, Kieran00001 said:

 

"average percentage"

Considering this revelation I will end it here, I had no idea what I was up against.

https://sciencing.com/calculate-averages-percentages-6437936.html

[soalbundy]

2 minutes ago, Khun Han said:

 

It's almost becoming monotonous, isn't it? Coming up to two years now with these nonsense forecasts.

'The Euro will collapse' has been going on for even longer, if you read the Daily Express we are either all going to be annihilated this year,aliens,ww 3 whatever (every week) and/or the Euro has only another year to go, break up of the EU imminent, End of Merkel etc. 

[nauseus]

4 minutes ago, soalbundy said:

'The Euro will collapse' has been going on for even longer, if you read the Daily Express we are either all going to be annihilated this year,aliens,ww 3 whatever (every week) and/or the Euro has only another year to go, break up of the EU imminent, End of Merkel etc. 

I think you stole the first 3 items from Project Fear.

[aright]

22 minutes ago, Khun Han said:

 

No probs.

 

Is there a maths Section on ThaiVisa?

I'm thinking of setting one up for Remainers

 

[soalbundy]

1 minute ago, nauseus said:

I think you stole the first 3 items from Project Fear.

I don't think so, I have a vague suspicion that the DE is heavily pro Brexit, in fact it seems generally pro disaster. 

[CG1 Blue]

1 hour ago, Kieran00001 said:

 

Nothing was forced on anyone, the CFP was a part of the deal.  And nothing I said was untrue, we have chosen to swap a lot of our quota, that is because we like to eat fish that for most of the year are not found in our waters.  Also we have sold a lot of our quotas, and so we see the likes of the Dutch owned super trawler, but the quota remains British and so by EU law it has to dock at a British harbour, sell its catch in a British market and employ British fishermen, but I doubt they wrote that in your tabloid, did they?

 

And I do not know which British fishermen you think you speak anyway, for but I know plenty of British fishermen who voted remain, and that is because they know that EU funding is propping up their boat building industry, they know that the EU built their fish market and they know that the EU protects their now archaic practice despite the UK seeking to ban it, those fishermen only stand to lose from Brexit as the UK will outlaw what they do.  You may have read the tabloids and assumed that all the fishermen were in sort of alliance and were for Brexit, but the fact is they are in various circumstances and there are plenty who are pro EU.

Maybe you've been fed a few lies by your pro EU buddies. Real fishermen are outraged by the CFP, and the fishing industry in the UK is a fraction of the size that it was before the CFP. That means thousands lost their living around the coasts of the UK (and Ireland).

Did you miss the boat protests along the Thames leading up to the referendum? Maybe you were out that day.

 

The decimation of our fishing industry as a result of the CFP is widely known and not disputed, so I can only assume you're winding us up. I'm not going to exchange a load of web links with you.  But I will leave you with this from the (pro-EU) BBC website about a week ago:

 

7^th March 2018

 

Scots fishermen slam EU call for access to UK waters

Simon Collins from the Shetland Fishermen's Association called the EU proposal "completely unacceptable".

He said: "As an opening gambit goes, the EU's stance is arrogant, absurd and nonsensical. The UK will become an independent coastal state on 29 March 2019, and we insist that it exercises its rights and responsibilities as such immediately.

"No coastal state currently offers the EU guarantees of access to its waters and natural resources, and neither should we."

Bertie Armstrong, chief executive of the Scottish Fishermen's Federation, said existing reciprocal access should not be continued.

He said: "This latest gambit must be rejected. When we leave the EU we leave the Common Fisheries Policy and assume our rightful place at the table as a coastal state.

"Each year we will then decide who catches what, where and when. The days of the EU taking 60% of our fish are coming to an end. The sea of opportunity is within reach."

 

 

 

[Kieran00001]

39 minutes ago, nauseus said:

https://sciencing.com/calculate-averages-percentages-6437936.html

 

You have one group, British fishermen, you have the percentage of this group who intended to vote Brexit, now try calculating an average of the single percentage you have, it will remain the same by the way, and so again, upon realization of what I am up against, I am out.

[Kieran00001]

47 minutes ago, nauseus said:

Badly put by me but if you had bothered to read the article you might have understood. Maybe.

 

I understood that that you seemed to think I was trying to argue that most fishermen voted Remain when all I did was provide the counter argument of the fishermen, minority or not, they also have a voice.

[nauseus]

18 minutes ago, Kieran00001 said:

 

I understood that that you seemed to think I was trying to argue that most fishermen voted Remain when all I did was provide the counter argument of the fishermen, minority or not, they also have a voice.

This was from you:

 

And I do not know which British fishermen you think you speak anyway, for but I know plenty of British fishermen who voted remain.

 

So by plenty, that did not clearly infer a minority. Now your meaning is clearer. All should be heard. But the wish of the majority is fair, isn't it? 

 

   

Edited March 14, 2018 by nauseus

[nauseus]

41 minutes ago, soalbundy said:

I don't think so, I have a vague suspicion that the DE is heavily pro Brexit, in fact it seems generally pro disaster. 

Deutschland?

[CG1 Blue]

3 minutes ago, nauseus said:

18 minutes ago, Kieran00001 said:

 

I understood that that you seemed to think I was trying to argue that most fishermen voted Remain when all I did was provide the counter argument of the fishermen, minority or not, they also have a voice.

This was from you:

 

And I do not know which British fishermen you think you speak anyway, for but I know plenty of British fishermen who voted remain.

 

So by plenty, that did not clearly infer a minority. Now your meaning is clearer. All should be heard. But the wish majority is fair, isn't it? 

I think when he said he knows "plenty of fishermen", he means he knows blokes who take their kids crabbing down the seafront in the summer.

[Kieran00001]

5 minutes ago, nauseus said:

This was from you:

 

And I do not know which British fishermen you think you speak anyway, for but I know plenty of British fishermen who voted remain.

 

So by plenty, that did not clearly infer a minority. Now your meaning is clearer. All should be heard. But the wish of the majority is fair, isn't it? 

 

   

 

Plenty does not imply a percentage but a quantity, of which there are a good number of clued up fishermen in the UK who support both the CFP and the EU, I know there are more who don't I just don't attempt to silence the minority like some feel the need to in order to attempt to give sone weight to their argument.

[Kieran00001]

1 minute ago, CG1 Blue said:

I think when he said he knows "plenty of fishermen", he means he knows blokes who take their kids crabbing down the seafront in the summer.

 

Nah, Newlyn mate.