Brexit has created chaos in Britain – nobody voted for this

[nauseus]

Just now, tebee said:

Yes, but the fishermen are doing it because they want to - it's not the EU forcing people to do anything.

If you don't want to accept what I say that's OK. Bye.

[tebee]

5 minutes ago, nauseus said:

If you don't want to accept what I say that's OK. Bye.

Some people just don't like admitting when they are wrong.....

 

There is a world of difference between  forcing people to do something they don't want to do and permitting them to do something they do want to do.

 

I'm not disputing your statement that some fishermen still dump their by-catch, but the original premise was that all fishermen were forced to  do it by the EU.     

[nauseus]

3 minutes ago, tebee said:

Some people just don't like admitting when they are wrong.....

 

There is a world of difference between  forcing people to do something they don't want to do and permitting them to do something they do want to do.

 

I'm not disputing your statement that some fishermen still dump their by-catch, but the original premise was that all fishermen were forced to  do it by the EU.     

Your last point is wrong and you should admit that.

[tebee]

3 minutes ago, nauseus said:

Your last point is wrong and you should admit that.

Exactly where is it wrong ?

[nauseus]

2 minutes ago, tebee said:

Exactly where is it wrong ?

You said: but the original premise was that all fishermen were forced to  do it by the EU.     

 

I never said that.

[Airbagwill]

UK - is embarking on a path that will break the Union and bring it to its knees and make it an international pariah ....it will take decades to put the situation right by which time most of those who voted for it will be dead.

Probably the saddest and most pointless episode in the history of the British Isles.

[nauseus]

1 minute ago, Airbagwill said:

UK - is embarking on a path that will break the Union and bring it to its knees and make it an international pariah ....it will take decades to put the situation right by which time most of those who voted for it will be dead.

Probably the saddest and most pointless episode in the history of the British Isles.

No. That was when we were conned into joining the EEC.

[tebee]

1 hour ago, nauseus said:

What about all the fish that are dumped daily due to idiotic EU policy? 

Surely this is what you were saying here ?

[transam]

5 minutes ago, Airbagwill said:

UK - is embarking on a path that will break the Union and bring it to its knees and make it an international pariah ....it will take decades to put the situation right by which time most of those who voted for it will be dead.

Probably the saddest and most pointless episode in the history of the British Isles.

No, the Nazi thing was, it drained the UK, but guess what, we came back and excelled....

[nauseus]

3 minutes ago, tebee said:

Surely this is what you were saying here ?

You're not an interpreter, are you?

[sandyf]

15 hours ago, RuamRudy said:

 

Which polls are those? The Ipsos Mori poll of last weekend had support for independence at 48%. That is as high as it as ever been.

 

"With the undecideds removed, the percentage backing independence rose to 48%. "

There are many that do not want to recognise the difference between support for independence and a reluctance to vote. Divisions are now starting to heal and many do not want to face another divisive debate. Just because people do not want to discuss the matter or do not vote for SNP does not rule out support for independence. It is highly likely the polls are reflecting the lower end in terms of numbers and it would appear that TM's advisers have also recognised that possibility.

[sandyf]

4 hours ago, nontabury said:

That’s a pessimistic view. More to the point, we shall regain our sovereignty.

 

Would that be the same sovereignty that the Russians are supposed to have attacked.

[aright]

Politicians are fretting over flags while the country falls to pieces

 

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/jan/28/politicians-are-fretting-over-flags-while-the-country-falls-to-pieces

[tebee]

1 hour ago, soalbundy said:

shouldn't Farage get arrested for pollution? fly tipping? Not that the UK was ever bothered by pollution until the EU.

 

1 hour ago, nauseus said:

What about all the fish that are dumped daily due to idiotic EU policy? 

 

52 minutes ago, tebee said:

Yes, but the fishermen are doing it because they want to - it's not the EU forcing people to do anything.

 

28 minutes ago, nauseus said:

You said: but the original premise was that all fishermen were forced to  do it by the EU.     

 

I never said that.

 

16 minutes ago, nauseus said:

You're not an interpreter, are you?

Ah ! so your original post on this was from an environmental viewpoint and comparing Farage's dumping of fish as being as bad as the EU's policy of allowing bycach to be dumped . Sorry, I didn't realize you were so anti Farage's actions.

Much better the bycatch being returned to shore and processed into food for farmed fish or fertilizer, I agree

[Jerry780]

On 28/2/2561 at 5:01 AM, Samui Bodoh said:

Good article, and it makes the same point(s) that I have been making for a while.

 

The referendum was twenty months ago and the government seems not a whole lot more prepared for the consequences than they were then. Brexit is a huge, fiendishly complex process of untangling ties that have evolved over forty years or so, and the likelihood of them being severed in a reasonable manner within two years was always nonsense.

 

There is an obvious solution. The UK is simply not prepared for Brexit at this moment, so it should swallow its pride, admit that, and put off the whole idea for a generation. If there is still a desire on the part of her citizens to leave the EU in... twenty years(?), then there can be another referendum held, but this time with the proper preparation.

 

Continuing down this path will cause more harm that good, despite the results of the Referendum. Common sense desperately needs to beak out.

 

We voted out that's what we want. You're foreign you wouldn't understand anything about sovereignty.

[Jerry780]

On 28/2/2561 at 7:09 AM, simoh1490 said:

Maybe there's a housing shortage because the builders aren't building, instead, they're not releasing land from their land banks in order to maintain high prices and profit margins.

 

And maybe there's a shortage because NIMBY's won't allow planning permission on the green belt.

 

And maybe there's a housing shortage because landowners aren't releasing land and government isn't making them sell.

 

Really, immigrants in the UK have absolutely zero to do with this subject other than your personal racist agenda.

 

Every year the UK swells its population by the size of a citly like Newcastle and people actually question why services are depleted. Its not racist at all, that word suits the left wing agenda in the uk.

[Jerry780]

On 28/2/2561 at 8:10 AM, Grouse said:

If necessary yes! And we will ?

No you won't.

[Jerry780]

On 28/2/2561 at 8:55 AM, JonnyF said:

I wouldn't wipe my ar$e with that rag "The Guardian". Instead of unbiased reporting of the news they just continue to peddle their Remain agenda with poorly written articles such as this one.

 

The sorriest case of poor losers that I can remember. Their lies of impending doom didn't work before the vote so they continue with some lame attempt at "I told you so" for years afterwards. I can imagine this idiot crying into their Latte over breakfast, blaming Brexit because their toast landed butter side down. You lost, suck it up and get behind the country and maybe just maybe, in 10 years when the EU is slowly collapsing and Britain is standing on it's own 2 feet, sovereignty intact, unelected Eurocrats long gone, you'll be big enough to admit you were wrong.

 

 

 

Great post sir.

[Jerry780]

On 28/2/2561 at 11:39 AM, Baerboxer said:

 

You've said this before, and again I comment, this has nothing to do with UK pride. Only that of a portion of the Tory party, their grandees, and political allies who've been plotting to get the UK out of the EU for many years. They want a return to the "old values" they cherish where they decide everything and get richer. The don't give a monkey's chuff for the country, the electorate, the poor and anyone outside their elite class. 

Swallowing their pride and admitting it's a cock up with more than a possibility a majority now want to remain in the EU isn't on their agenda and never will be. This group aren't big on democracy.

 

This will become a good text book case study on how one old established small but very powerful group can connive and manipulate to control a massively bigger number of people for their own benefit and claim it's all democratic!

Remainers aren't big on democracy and should the decision be overturned you would probably have civil war and acts of terrorism against the perpetrators.

[Grouse]

25 minutes ago, Jerry780 said:

No you won't.

Wanna bet?

[tebee]

9 minutes ago, Jerry780 said:

Remainers aren't big on democracy and should the decision be overturned you would probably have civil war and acts of terrorism against the perpetrators.

I don't think you understand what democracy means sir.

 

Would suggest you read up on Tocqueville  and the "tyranny of the majority".

 

Brexit will be viewed in years to come as a low point in British democracy.

 

[Grouse]

13 minutes ago, Jerry780 said:

Remainers aren't big on democracy and should the decision be overturned you would probably have civil war and acts of terrorism against the perpetrators.

In between reading and commenting on all the posts in this thread in chronological order, you may care to read up on our form of representative parliamentary democracy before demonstrating your obvious ignorance of same.

[RuamRudy]

23 minutes ago, Jerry780 said:

Remainers aren't big on democracy and should the decision be overturned you would probably have civil war and acts of terrorism against the perpetrators.

Yesterday's entente cordiale was somewhat short lived...

[tebee]

1 hour ago, Jerry780 said:

We voted out that's what we want. You're foreign you wouldn't understand anything about sovereignty.

So, given that the UK is currently completely unprepared, and we have just over a year left to do 5-10 years work, you would rather we left anyway regardless of what that caranage the resulting chaos will cause to people's lives, jobs, British industry, the value of the pound, pensions and the government tax base? 

[nauseus]

1 hour ago, tebee said:

 

 

 

 

Ah ! so your original post on this was from an environmental viewpoint and comparing Farage's dumping of fish as being as bad as the EU's policy of allowing bycach to be dumped . Sorry, I didn't realize you were so anti Farage's actions.

Much better the bycatch being returned to shore and processed into food for farmed fish or fertilizer, I agree

This token dumping of fish was a demonstration against the CFP. It even wasn't supposed to be Farage's demo, which was more against the continuation of the present fishing regime until at least the end of 2020.  

[nauseus]

37 minutes ago, Grouse said:

Wanna bet?

 

“They must go on voting until they get it right.” Jose Manuel Grouse.

[RuamRudy]

17 minutes ago, nauseus said:

 

“They must go on voting until they get it right.” Jose Manuel Grouse.

How does that differ from Nigel's statement, "In a 52-48 referendum, this would be unfinished business by a long way. If the remain camp win two-thirds to one-third, that's the end of it"?

[soalbundy]

2 hours ago, sandyf said:

Would that be the same sovereignty that the Russians are supposed to have attacked.

He thinks he is a sovereign, he uses the royal 'we'

[aright]

1 hour ago, tebee said:

So, given that the UK is currently completely unprepared, and we have just over a year left to do 5-10 years work, you would rather we left anyway regardless of what that caranage the resulting chaos will cause to people's lives, jobs, British industry, the value of the pound, pensions and the government tax base? 

On the economic front have you got responsible links to your predictions? The worlds sixth largest economy in goods and services is going to stop trading in a years time is it?

 

On the political front many of us rejected an elitist, unrepresentative system which is incapable  

refuses  to listen to the needs of the electorate as evidenced by the results of the recent European elections.

Project EU is more important than anything for the Brussels Cabal and presumably Remainers 

[tebee]

18 minutes ago, aright said:

On the economic front have you got responsible links to your predictions? The worlds sixth largest economy in goods and services is going to stop trading in a years time is it?

 

.....

 If the UK does any sort of meaningful Brexit I.E. it leaves the SM and CU,  customs facilities will be needed at Dover and all other crossings that don't exist now. One year is certainly not enough time to have planning enquiries, compulsory purchase the needed land, build and equip the facilities and train the required staff. The electronic and computer systems to process this will take a minimum of 4 years and more likely 6-8 years to procure and develop and we are not even going to know what is needed until sometime in the transition phase as negotiations have been pushed back until then.

 

So we have physical imports and exports in and out of the UK at a standstill or near standstill. I doubt either us or the EU will even have updated the regulatory regime to allow them by then.

 

This chaos will kill all advanced manufacturing in the UK stone dead. Services will not be able to rescue us as many will no longer be allowed to trade in the EU. We may even end up with food shortages.

 

The only thing that will save us ( and coincidentally solve the NI problem ) is a brexit in name only where we remain in the SM and CU but lose all out influence. This is more and more where we are heading too as there is just not time to negotiate anything else.  All of the disadvantages with none of the advantages.