27 minutes ago, tebee said:

My point is this is out of date information.  The common fisheries policy was reformed in 2013 and there is now a landing obligation to bring ashore all species  even if there is no quota for it.

 

See  https://ec.europa.eu/fisheries/cfp/fishing_rules/discards_en

Yes, they are phasing in changes you're right. But that is leading to other problems.  This is from the NFFO this month:

 

"The full implementation of the landing obligation – the requirement to land all quota species – is less than nine months away but there is no sign yet that the problem of choke stocks has been resolved. This is the problem faced in mixed fisheries under the landing obligation when exhaustion of quota in one (possibly minor) species will lead to the closure of the fishery as a whole with fleets tied up for the rest of the year. The vessel, member state, or fleets concerned face a double bind: they are not allowed to retain on board the species concerned but neither are they allowed to return it to the sea, unless a specific exemption has been permitted. Chokes could, in theory, halt some fisheries as early as February each year"

 

And fish are still being discarded at sea around our west coast where haddock are abundant, yet the British boats only get 9% of the quota.

The CFP will never get it right in my opinion.  There are too many people to please and interests to serve when acting for 28 member states.

It will be much better when we leave the EU/CFP and the British can set their own rules on British fishing waters. We can allow other countries some access, but the British fishing industry will be the priority.

 

 

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tyranny_of_the_majority

 

de Tocqueville is recommended bed time reading. I'll bet, no more than two paragraphs for a great night's sleep!

 

But tyranny of the majority IS an important issue (as is subsidiarity) in these days of high speed communication.

Did you see what Railway Modeller had to say about fishing?

 

Nothing

 

Get facts from the FT

 

https://www.ft.com/content/84f51c84-5fe2-11e7-91a7-502f7ee26895

 

0.4% of GDP. Listen to facts not sea shanties 

Edited March 22, 20188 yr by Grouse

17 minutes ago, Grouse said:

Did you see what Railway Modeller had to say about fishing?

 

Nothing

 

You realize of course, that I make my living making model trains....

 

Bad news for those looking forward to the return of the old dark blue British passport covers post -Brexit.

They're gonna be made in France.

5555

Stolen from twitter 

 

Executing UK Dept‏ @DExUKgov 26m26 minutes ago

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The boss has expressed concern that people are starting to think Brexit is just silly now. The intern’s eyebrows twitched almost imperceptibly at his use of the word “starting”

9 minutes ago, bannork said:

Bad news for those looking forward to the return of the old dark blue British passport covers post -Brexit.

They're gonna be made in France.

5555

That's ok as french letters are made in Thailand.

2 hours ago, Grouse said:

What has religion got to do with the price of cheese?

 

For info, we already control our borders or rather the government does.

Religion? There is a certain 'religion' which openly declares that it will NOT integrate, that it is going to take over Europe, and it certainly isn't a religion of peace. This is basically what Brexit was about, and if you don't understand that then you either aren't a Brit or never lived in a working class area in the UK.

37 minutes ago, bannork said:

Bad news for those looking forward to the return of the old dark blue British passport covers post -Brexit.

They're gonna be made in France.

5555

Sacre bleu!

31 minutes ago, nauseus said:

Sacre bleu!

I heard they're going to be made in the Netherlands.

 

Just watching BBC, they are also saying France.

Edited March 22, 20188 yr by stevenl

3 hours ago, Grouse said:

Do you know what a Gini coefficient is?

Is it something best enjoyed with lemon and tonic?

1 hour ago, bannork said:

Bad news for those looking forward to the return of the old dark blue British passport covers post -Brexit.

They're gonna be made in France.

5555

 

 

France has no blue ink......................... ?

10 minutes ago, stevenl said:

I heard they're going to be made in the Netherlands.

Sacre l'orange!

3 hours ago, simoh1490 said:

One of the perils of democracy I'm afraid, the constant tooing and froing between the haves and have-nots - democracy doesn't work well in every society and not everyone is best suited to it. So the problem is not so much the people as it is the system, and now in the internet age everyone wants a say in everything and people who hitherto could barely form an opinion on any subject in the past, now have massive convictions about every thing, case in point, Brexit.

Absurd! Try substituting Remainers for Brexit. It was ever thus. When did people of all persuasions not want a say in their future? What happened at Runnymede and why?

3 hours ago, Grouse said:

What has religion got to do with the price of cheese?.

Everything if its a Trappist cheese.

1 hour ago, cooked said:

Religion? There is a certain 'religion' which openly declares that it will NOT integrate, that it is going to take over Europe, and it certainly isn't a religion of peace. This is basically what Brexit was about, and if you don't understand that then you either aren't a Brit or never lived in a working class area in the UK.

Thank you for confirming what I always suspected Brexit was about despite claims to the contrary on here. 

 

I have no time for muslims

 

However, I wouldn't particularly favour Iraqi Christians over any other shape

2 hours ago, tebee said:

You realize of course, that I make my living making model trains....

 

Excellent!

2 hours ago, aright said:

Absurd! Try substituting Remainers for Brexit. It was ever thus. When did people of all persuasions not want a say in their future? What happened at Runnymede and why?

Ha ha, the situation is indeed truly absurd! 800 years ago we didn't have peasants squabbling over where to position the comma's and what size of feather to use as a quill! And using olde English in your reply doesn't make your answer any more credible or believable.

6 hours ago, Grouse said:

Do you know what a Gini coefficient is?

 

5 hours ago, Grouse said:

Look it up

 

It is a measure of equality

 

I live well, but I am unhappy at the poverty around me.

 

I guess ones view of this depends on where one is on Maslov's hierarchy!

 

I've never thought that loutish behaviour is clever.

 

Damn, I thought we were all getting 3x wishes.

4 hours ago, cooked said:

Religion? There is a certain 'religion' which openly declares that it will NOT integrate, that it is going to take over Europe, and it certainly isn't a religion of peace. This is basically what Brexit was about, and if you don't understand that then you either aren't a Brit or never lived in a working class area in the UK.

 

i'm a brit. and working class too. and i've met loads of nice people of that 'religion' you seem too afraid to call by name. they've all been british too as it goes, and perfectly sound. and your misunderstanding of what brexit was about is pretty clear. i feel sorry for you. but if you actually voted for brexit then i also think you are an idiot. 

1 hour ago, StevieH said:

 

i'm a brit. and working class too. and i've met loads of nice people of that 'religion' you seem too afraid to call by name. they've all been british too as it goes, and perfectly sound. and your misunderstanding of what brexit was about is pretty clear. i feel sorry for you. but if you actually voted for brexit then i also think you are an idiot. 

 

I also voted for brexit, but not for reasons to do with Islam. In fact, immigration of any kind was one of my lowest concerns. I hope you're not calling people idiots on the basis of them having voted for brexit. I will report you to moderation if you are. On the unrelated subject of Islam, I have also met many nice, polite people who follow that religion. But that is testimony to the type of individuals that they are. It doesn't change the fact that their religion is backward and medieval, actively condones paedophilia, and promotes jihad through acts of war and colonisation. And, before you start, I am aware of the fact that the West (including our own country) has behaved appallingly toward many Muslim countries for a very long time.

7 hours ago, Kieran00001 said:

 

You're making things up.  The EU discard ban was passed in 2015 and is being phased in by species up till next year by which point it will be illegal NOT to land all catch.

 

The main reason for discard has always been profit, a lot unscrupulous fishermen practice high grading, where they throw away low value catch to allow room for higher value, they don't do that because it's illegal to land what they've caught, but because they will make more money if they fill their boat with expensive fish.

 

And by the way, the UK fishing industry has the highest profit and also profit margin in the EU, and it also sees the highest rate of investment in the EU.  Let's see if they keep that place post Brexit.

 

You forgot to mention the BRITISH fishing industry suffered the highest number of redundancies. on our entry to the EEC.

As for investment, well that must be why the fishing industry, at two of our main fishing post was decimated.

 

It makes me ashamed of my fellow countrymen, who are prepared to see, in fact some would say rejoice, at the thought of our own people losing their jobs, just so selfish remainers may have the opportunity of working in the E.U.

  

6 hours ago, bannork said:

Bad news for those looking forward to the return of the old dark blue British passport covers post -Brexit.

They're gonna be made in France.

5555

Yes a kick in the teeth to those in Gateshead, who voted overwhelmingly for Brexit , by the civil servants in London.

Interestly France along with other E.U countries do not allow their National passports to be printed in another country.

1 hour ago, StevieH said:

 

i'm a brit. and working class too. and i've met loads of nice people of that 'religion' you seem too afraid to call by name. they've all been british too as it goes, and perfectly sound. and your misunderstanding of what brexit was about is pretty clear. i feel sorry for you. but if you actually voted for brexit then i also think you are an idiot. 

Tell that to the people of Rochdale, Rotherham and Telford, amongst many other towns.

I would further add, that I lived in a Thai Muslim village for 15 yrs, good people including my best Thai friend. However they are very different to Muslims from such countries as Pakistan, Afghanistan and Iraq etc.

Edited March 22, 20188 yr by nontabury

6 minutes ago, nontabury said:

7 hours ago, Kieran00001 said:

 

You're making things up.  The EU discard ban was passed in 2015 and is being phased in by species up till next year by which point it will be illegal NOT to land all catch.

 

The main reason for discard has always been profit, a lot unscrupulous fishermen practice high grading, where they throw away low value catch to allow room for higher value, they don't do that because it's illegal to land what they've caught, but because they will make more money if they fill their boat with expensive fish.

 

And by the way, the UK fishing industry has the highest profit and also profit margin in the EU, and it also sees the highest rate of investment in the EU.  Let's see if they keep that place post Brexit.

 

You forgot to mention the BRITISH fishing industry suffered the highest number of redundancies. on our entry to the EEC.

As for investment, well that must be why the fishing industry, at two of our main fishing post was decimated.

 

It makes me ashamed of my fellow countrymen, who are prepared to see, in fact some would say rejoice, at the thought of our own people losing their jobs, just so selfish remainers may have the opportunity of working in the E.U.

 

Remainers love to pontificate about the EU and it's benefits to the UK fishing industry. The one voice they always ignore is that of the UK fishing industry itself. Anyone who takes notice of the UK fishing industry knows that it is relishing a future outside the EU's control. And these are the people who really know and really matter on this issue.

1 hour ago, nontabury said:

Yes a kick in the teeth to those in Gateshead, who voted overwhelmingly for Brexit , by the civil servants in London.

Interestly France along with other E.U countries do not allow their National passports to be printed in another country.

Seemingly the reasons that France insist that their passport must be printed in France, is due to national security. Yet they INSIST that the British passport must also be printed in France. And of course Remainer Teresa May has once again capitulated to their demand.

24 minutes ago, nontabury said:

Seemingly the reasons that France insist that their passport must be printed in France, is due to national security. Yet they INSIST that the British passport must also be printed in France. And of course Remainer Teresa May has once again capitulated to their demand.

I thought the printing of the UK passport was put up for tender and the French company won,nobody insisted that the UK passport has to be printed in France.

10 minutes ago, adammike said:

I thought the printing of the UK passport was put up for tender and the French company won,nobody insisted that the UK passport has to be printed in France.

True, and I can only put it down to the incompetence of successive British governments. I wonder if this is another example of us Brits, following E.U ( procurement) rules, while others skirt around them.

Edited March 22, 20188 yr by nontabury

1 minute ago, adammike said:

I thought the printing of the UK passport was put up for tender and the French company won,nobody insisted that the UK passport has to be printed in France.

http://www.bbc.com/news/business-43489462

 

£490m contract to Franco-Dutch firm Gemalto. I think they will end up making them in the UK. 

6 minutes ago, nontabury said:

True, and I can only put it down to the incompetence of successive British governments. I wonder if this is another example of us Brits, following E.U ( procurement) rules, while others skirt around them.

It could also be, as was heavily reported, that the German company was the cheapest bid, cheapest by some £50 million! So no, nothing to do with incompetence and nothing to do with EU procurement rules.