If there's a wrong way to deal with int'l trade, Trump will do it.

52 minutes ago, thaiguzzi said:

You missed the point.

You devoted an awful lot of space to something that was ancient history. Present day reality maybe doesn't support your views so much?

2 hours ago, ilostmypassword said:

You devoted an awful lot of space to something that was ancient history. Present day reality maybe doesn't support your views so much?

Disagree. The topic is/was tariffs, import duty, trade wars and free trade. It didn't work back then and it won't work now.

Although, having said that, HD are still in production, surviving somehow the 50's, thru to the early 80's, when they actually came out with a good product and modern quality control.

 

3 hours ago, thaiguzzi said:

Yes, the success of the British Motoring Industry is an inspiration to the world.

The only real mass production car industry success stories in the world are German and Japanese. Sure, there are niche small production run success stories everywhere, especially Italy and England, but that is aimed at a very small up market market place.

1 minute ago, thaiguzzi said:

Disagree. The topic is/was tariffs, import duty, trade wars and free trade. It didn't work back then and it won't work now.

Although, having said that, HD are still in production, surviving somehow the 50's, thru to the early 80's, when they actually came out with a good product and modern quality control.

 

The only real mass production car industry success stories in the world are German and Japanese. Sure, there are niche small production run success stories everywhere, especially Italy and England, but that is aimed at a very small up market market place.

And what are your criteria to qualify for "real mass production car industry success stories."?

 

 

Can't be arsed.

I've learnt to not bother with pissing contests on Thai Visa forum threads.

Banging one's head against a brick wall etc.

Bye.

Edited March 6, 20188 yr by thaiguzzi

4 minutes ago, thaiguzzi said:

 

 

Can't be arsed.

I've learnt to not bother with pissing contests on Thai Visa forum threads.

Banging one's head against a brick wall etc.

Bye.

I think you know it's because there are plenty of global car manufacturers thriving out there, that and you're just trolling. Starting with your ridiculous comments about ancient motorcycle racing.

Edited March 6, 20188 yr by ilostmypassword

14 hours ago, riclag said:

Can you show the source for that 4.7 billion dollars Donald Trump personally stole !

Here are several articles that detail many of Trumps crimes.

 

By December, Trump was on the verge of missing an interest payment on the debt of Trump Castle, and there was no room left to maneuver with the banks this time. So, just as he had in the past, Trump turned to Dad for help, according to New Jersey state regulatory records. On December 17, 1990, Fred Trump handed a certified check for $3.35 million payable to the Trump Castle to his attorney, Howard Snyder. Snyder traveled to the Castle and opened an account in the name of Fred Trump. The check was deposited into that account and a blackjack dealer paid out $3.35 million to Snyder in gray $5,000 chips. Snyder put the chips in a small case and left; no gambling took place. The next day, a similar “loan” was made—except by wire transfer rather than by check—for an additional $150,000. This surreptitious, and unreported, loan allowed Donald Trump to make that interest payment. (The Castle later settled charges by the Casino Control Commission of violations from this escapade and paid a $65,000 fine.)

 

http://www.newsweek.com/2016/08/12/donald-trumps-business-failures-election-2016-486091.html

 

 

Jim Williams, of Calvi Electric, lowers the 'M' letter from the signage of Trump Plaza Casino to his co-workers Tony Demidio and Steven Nordaby in Atlantic City, New Jersey October 6, 2014.

 

From mid-1995 to early 2009, Trump served as chairman of Trump Hotels and Casino Resorts (renamed Trump Entertainment Resorts in 2004), and held the CEO title for five years (mid-2000 to mid-2005). During Trump’s 13 years as chairman, the casino empire lost a total of $1.1 billion, twice declared bankruptcy, and wrote down or restructured $1.8 billion in debt. Over the same period, the company paid Trump—essentially Trump paying himself—roughly $82 million by Fortune’s estimates, collected from a dizzying variety of sources spelled out in the company’s proxy filings, as varied as payments for use of Trump’s private plane to fees paid directly Trump for access to his name and marketing expertise.

 

http://fortune.com/2016/03/10/trump-hotel-casinos-pay-failure/

 

What this tiny man said about one of his bankruptcies, that cost thousands of jobs, and millions in pension money for this employees-

 

Trump himself fared well through the bankruptcy. He kept a $2 million annual salary after the company emerged from bankruptcy and took in more than $44 million in compensation over the course of the 14 years he served as chairman of THCR. “I don’t think it’s a failure,” he said of the bankruptcy in 2004. “It’s a success.”

Our fearless leader being his crappy self. Welcome to Universe Don.

 

Good reading- 13 of Trumps biggest business failures- the guy is a loser! -

 

https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/donald-trumps-13-biggest-business-failures-20160314

 

How Trump screwed the US govt and the American taxpayer out of a billion-

 

“He has a vast benefit from his destruction” in the early 1990s, said one of the experts, Joel Rosenfeld, an assistant professor at New York University’s Schack Institute of Real Estate. Mr. Rosenfeld offered this description of what he would advise a client who came to him with a tax return like Mr. Trump’s: “Do you realize you can create $916 million in income without paying a nickel in taxes?”

 

https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2016/10/trump-tax-returns/502574/

 

A list of his six bankruptcies. I was wrong. I think I said five.

 

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2016/jun/21/hillary-clinton/yep-donald-trumps-companies-have-declared-bankrupt/

 

 

Edited March 6, 20188 yr by spidermike007

3 hours ago, thaiguzzi said:

The only real mass production car industry success stories in the world are German and Japanese.

Really? That would be a surprise to one Henry Ford.

 

Also a real surprise to the Chinese auto industry which is (as of 2016) pumping out as many cars as the USA, Japan and Germany COMBINED.

 

Where do y'all get these ideas?

3 hours ago, mikebike said:

Really? That would be a surprise to one Henry Ford.

 

Also a real surprise to the Chinese auto industry which is (as of 2016) pumping out as many cars as the USA, Japan and Germany COMBINED.

 

Where do y'all get these ideas?

Henry left the building a long time ago...

Granted, Ford were the only US automaker to not need bailing out a few years ago. Mass production, yeah ok i'll give you that one. Cutting edge technology, I don't think so.

Have you ever sat in, or driven a Chinese car?

10 hours ago, thaiguzzi said:

Henry left the building a long time ago...

Granted, Ford were the only US automaker to not need bailing out a few years ago. Mass production, yeah ok i'll give you that one. Cutting edge technology, I don't think so.

Have you ever sat in, or driven a Chinese car?

Amusing to see you move the goalposts. Your original statement was a simple one. Now you require caveats.

This is a man who literally cannot get out of his own way. He is such a bumbling fool, and his policy grows more inane by the day. This administration is so lost, they have absolutely no idea how to proceed, nor what to do to lead the nation, and benefit the people. If only he was willing to hire some real talent, maybe he could get some work done. The type of protectionism he is offering is very 19th century. It will only hurt the US economy. The only upside to that, is that re-election will become impossible. Hooray for that.

 

Tiny DT. The art of moving America backwards, and lowering the quality of life for the average American.

The art of I cannot make a deal to save my life.

The art of losing talent in droves, and replacing them with sycophantic fools, devoid of talent or experience.

The art of attempting to lead a nation, while being infected with the thinnest skin of a world leader, in history. 

The art of not having a diplomatic bone in his body, and destroying long held alliances, with hate, hubris and a horrible lack of intelligence, vision and talent.

11 hours ago, thaiguzzi said:

Henry left the building a long time ago...

Granted, Ford were the only US automaker to not need bailing out a few years ago. Mass production, yeah ok i'll give you that one. Cutting edge technology, I don't think so.

Have you ever sat in, or driven a Chinese car?

Chinese MGs in Thailand. Truly dreadful! Morris Garages indeed 

4 minutes ago, spidermike007 said:

If only he was willing to hire some real talent, maybe he could get some work done.

He will only hire those with his view.....he is the expert.....the stable genius....no one knows it better than Trump...and even if they do know more than Trump they will leave or he will fire them...

 

He can't even control the Goldman Sachs swamp dwellers he recruited......just look at Gary Cohn for instance

 

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/03/16/business/dealbook/goldman-sachs-goverment-jobs.html

6 minutes ago, Langsuan Man said:

He will only hire those with his view.....he is the expert.....the stable genius....no one knows it better than Trump...and even if they do know more than Trump they will leave or he will fire them...

 

He can't even control the Goldman Sachs swamp dwellers he recruited......just look at Gary Cohn for instance

 

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/03/16/business/dealbook/goldman-sachs-goverment-jobs.html

 

The exodus continues. I think there are alot of people who just do not know who this absolute charlatan is. And once they find out, they are overwhelmed with embarrassment, at having been deceived into thinking he was a capable, or earnest man. Kudos to Cohn for leaving the swamp. My guess is that McMasters and Kelly are next. That is if those former top officers have any dignity left within themselves.

 

It is a matter of weeks, before Ivanka and Jared the evil prince are shown the door. That will be a great day for the nation.

2 hours ago, mikebike said:

Amusing to see you move the goalposts. Your original statement was a simple one. Now you require caveats.

Yeah, hilarious innit. Hope your sides hurt.

On ‎3‎/‎4‎/‎2018 at 7:55 AM, rooster59 said:

"They make it impossible for our cars (and more) to sell there.

Don't blame tariffs for that. American cars are too big and fuel wasting to be bought by the average car owner.

I once had the misfortune to have to use an American brand pickup transporting furniture in LOS, and it overheated. The Toyota we bought never overheated doing the same journey. Far as I'm concerned the US can keep their junk.

On ‎3‎/‎4‎/‎2018 at 7:55 AM, rooster59 said:

The United States had a $22.3 billion automotive vehicle and parts trade deficit with Germany in 2017 and a $7 billion deficit with the United Kingdom, according to U.S. government data.

They should wonder why Americans prefer to buy Euro cars than their huge gas guzzlers, and compete to make cars people want.

The only small car the US made that I can remember was a bad joke.

6 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Don't blame tariffs for that. American cars are too big and fuel wasting to be bought by the average car owner.

I once had the misfortune to have to use an American brand pickup transporting furniture in LOS, and it overheated. The Toyota we bought never overheated doing the same journey. Far as I'm concerned the US can keep their junk.

 

The pickups sold in America are the best you will find anywhere on Earth. Whether they be Chevy's Ford's Dodge's , Toyotas or Nissans. You must have been in a Ford/Mazda. The American brands you buy overseas aren't anything like the pickups available in America. Inferior materials, crash standard, safety standards, capacities, size, and all at a higher price.

Just now, lannarebirth said:

 

The pickups sold in America are the best you will find anywhere on Earth. Whether they be Chevy's Ford's Dodge's , Toyotas or Nissans. You must have been in a Ford/Mazda. The American brands you buy overseas aren't anything like the pickups available in America. Inferior materials, crash standard, safety standards, capacities, size, and all at a higher price.

Wasn't either of those.

 

The American brands you buy overseas aren't anything like the pickups available in America. Inferior materials, crash standard, safety standards, capacities, size, and all at a higher price.

That supports my statement that the reason Euro customers won't buy American is nothing to do with tariffs.

 

3 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Wasn't either of those.

 

The American brands you buy overseas aren't anything like the pickups available in America. Inferior materials, crash standard, safety standards, capacities, size, and all at a higher price.

That supports my statement that the reason Euro customers won't buy American is nothing to do with tariffs.

 

 

Possibly, that and the typical Euro customer has to naviagte a 3m wide 2 way street occassionally and no American vehicle is made for that.

Edited March 8, 20188 yr by lannarebirth

1 hour ago, lannarebirth said:

 

The pickups sold in America are the best you will find anywhere on Earth. Whether they be Chevy's Ford's Dodge's , Toyotas or Nissans. You must have been in a Ford/Mazda. The American brands you buy overseas aren't anything like the pickups available in America. Inferior materials, crash standard, safety standards, capacities, size, and all at a higher price.

And how many non-us countries buy american pickups? Your point of comparing pickup is not the best example. American trucks are designed for Americans, its not suitable for most non-us countries.

Edited March 8, 20188 yr by mike324

2 minutes ago, mike324 said:

And how many non-us countries buy american pickups? Your point of comparing pickup is not the best example.

Many buy American "brand" pickups, but those are usually joint ventures with foreign companies, for instance Ford/Mazda, Chevrolet/Isuzu. Anyway, I was only responding to a post about American pickups specifically.

2 hours ago, lannarebirth said:

 

The pickups sold in America are the best you will find anywhere on Earth. Whether they be Chevy's Ford's Dodge's , Toyotas or Nissans. You must have been in a Ford/Mazda. The American brands you buy overseas aren't anything like the pickups available in America. Inferior materials, crash standard, safety standards, capacities, size, and all at a higher price.

People in Western Europe generally don't buy pickups. 

2 hours ago, FritsSikkink said:

People in Western Europe generally don't buy pickups. 

And yet Renault are jumping into the pickup market this year...

4 hours ago, lannarebirth said:

Many buy American "brand" pickups, but those are usually joint ventures with foreign companies, for instance Ford/Mazda, Chevrolet/Isuzu. Anyway, I was only responding to a post about American pickups specifically.

As part of my job a long while back, I had to drive a big American pick up. First time I got in it I realised my visibility of the road close up was severely lacking as the bonnet was so enormous. That was because the engine was larger than the trucks I'd been driving before. Half the time I was driving by guesswork on very narrow roads. I'm average height, so that wasn't the problem. Be fine driving hundreds of miles in Iowa though. No way anyone is going to drive them around the narrow country roads in England by choice.

Just a waste of steel and petrol, IMO.

1 hour ago, mikebike said:

And yet Renault are jumping into the pickup market this year...

Maybe it's the latest fad.

5 hours ago, lannarebirth said:

Many buy American "brand" pickups, but those are usually joint ventures with foreign companies, for instance Ford/Mazda, Chevrolet/Isuzu. Anyway, I was only responding to a post about American pickups specifically.

Ford/Mazda, Chevrolet/Isuzu, both no connection.

23 hours ago, lannarebirth said:

Many buy American "brand" pickups, but those are usually joint ventures with foreign companies, for instance Ford/Mazda, Chevrolet/Isuzu. Anyway, I was only responding to a post about American pickups specifically.

Many buy American "brand" pick ups because it has been redesign for the local markets. As you know American brands are in a better position to be in a joint venture so they can sell locally in non-us countries and be price competitive. I think most commenters find your post have no relevance to the topic because nobody imports American made pickups, and American doesn't import small pickups that are made overseas too, so there is really no competitions in this particular pickup market.