New parties must tackle the great income divide

[kannot]

Yeah DONT  WORRY "how"  you get that money just get it! That'll solve everything right!!

For many of those  "poor" you can substitute the word "idle"

Edited March 18, 2018 by kannot

[Tilacme]

Diffuse the opposition, diffuse the people.

[robblok]

23 minutes ago, stephen tracy said:

If Prayuth is clean, where did he get all his money from?  And why is no one allowed to ask him that? And if he's so clean, why is he doing nothing about the fact that his friend and Dep-PM is clearly not? Answer: because they are all dirty, rotten to the core. They are allowed to do as they please by the powers that installed them as long as they protect the interests of the powers that installed them. They're hardly gonna rat each other out, there'd be no generals left in the Thai military, and those that installed them would have no one to protect them.

That still does not change the fact that if the guy in the OP stays clean.. then even though he is a millionaire like Thaksin he can't be kicked out because Thaksin was a corrupt crook. Your deflections don't really fly here.

 

I have no idea where Prayut got his money from, but unlike with Thaksin you have no evidence to state he is corrupt. Thaksin has many court cases against him for loads of money. Prayut does not. Prawit is someone who needs to be investigated as there is proof against him. YL also has much money.. how did she get this ? Maybe Prayut got it the same way.

[Tilacme]

8 minutes ago, robblok said:

That still does not change the fact that if the guy in the OP stays clean.. then even though he is a millionaire like Thaksin he can't be kicked out because Thaksin was a corrupt crook. Your deflections don't really fly here.

 

I have no idea where Prayut got his money from, but unlike with Thaksin you have no evidence to state he is corrupt. Thaksin has many court cases against him for loads of money. Prayut does not. Prawit is someone who needs to be investigated as there is proof against him. YL also has much money.. how did she get this ? Maybe Prayut got it the same way.

I admire your aspiration that right over wrong will prevail in the LOS.

[robblok]

7 minutes ago, Tilacme said:

I admire your aspiration that right over wrong will prevail in the LOS.

That is not what I think, what i think is that if your not corrupt or break the law they can't force you out. They have so far NEVER made up charges only went after real crimes. So if this guy is clean they won't be able to touch him.

 

I believe some people are shielded from investigation (not something I agree with), but I KNOW they have so far never fabricated a case against a high ranking politician and or someone of wealth. 

 

The worst thing that could happen (for Prayut) is to have someone like this guy become real popular working for the people and not being corrupt. Because then they can't force him out easy. 

 

Its also the worst that could happen for Thaksin is to have a guy like this take all his voters. 

Edited March 18, 2018 by robblok

[cookieqw]

hang on a minute we've just had 4 years of junta ( expect more ) why not question what they have done about this

[stephen tracy]

Just now, robblok said:

That still does not change the fact that if the guy in the OP stays clean.. then even though he is a millionaire like Thaksin he can't be kicked out because Thaksin was a corrupt crook. Your deflections don't really fly here.

 

I have no idea where Prayut got his money from, but unlike with Thaksin you have no evidence to state he is corrupt. Thaksin has many court cases against him for loads of money. Prayut does not. Prawit is someone who needs to be investigated as there is proof against him. YL also has much money.. how did she get this ? Maybe Prayut got it the same way.

I'm not deflecting at all. Why should I? Of course Prayuth does not have any court cases against him. You cannot prosecute Prayuth. He is completely untouchable. If he refuses to allow people to question how he amassed such a fortune (and that's only the fortune that has been reported - not the full whack), then he clearly has something to hide. He knows  - even if he wanted to - he could not dump Prawit because Prawit knows full well where Prayuth got his money. The same way they all did.It doesn't take a genius to work out that Thai generals' (in general), particularly the junta inner circle's assets do not add up in terms of their salaries. Not even close.

[Tilacme]

Everyone should be given a Rolex, its only fair.

[robblok]

1 minute ago, stephen tracy said:

I'm not deflecting at all. Why should I? Of course Prayuth does not have any court cases against him. You cannot prosecute Prayuth. He is completely untouchable. If he refuses to allow people to question how he amassed such a fortune (and that's only the fortune that has been reported - not the full whack), then he clearly has something to hide. He knows  - even if he wanted to - he could not dump Prawit because Prawit knows full well where Prayuth got his money. The same way they all did.It doesn't take a genius to work out that Thai generals' (in general), particularly the junta inner circle's assets do not add up in terms of their salaries. Not even close.

Your not deflecting at all.. 

 

Strange... the story started with me stating that if this guy stays clean he would not be kicked out like Thaksin and somehow we ended up discussing Prawit and Prayut.. not discussing that unlike Thaksin this guy can't be forced out if he stays clean. You don't like to discuss that because then you have to admit Thaksin was a crook.

 

[CGW]

7 minutes ago, robblok said:

Thaksin was a crook.

Off course he was! he was also the best thing that ever happened to Thai politics - think about it?

[stephen tracy]

Just now, robblok said:

Your not deflecting at all.. 

 

Strange... the story started with me stating that if this guy stays clean he would not be kicked out like Thaksin and somehow we ended up discussing Prawit and Prayut.. not discussing that unlike Thaksin this guy can't be forced out if he stays clean. You don't like to discuss that because then you have to admit Thaksin was a crook.

 

I have always branded Thaksin a crook. I was glad to see the back of him and then his sister until I realized what would replace her (them). You, like many others here on TV, cannot for the life you get your head around the fact that someone who is disgusted by Attitude Adjustment and making freedom of expression a criminal offense is not necessarily a so-called red shirt or Thaksin supporter. And no I didn't deflect, I was merely responding to your comment. You have difficulty posting anything that doesn't mention Thaksin/Yingluck/red-shirts... in fact, in the past, it was you who often deflected from criticism and mockery of the junta with response involving the above. It turns out your beloved junta are the same thieving scum as Thaksin was. The only difference is that the junta has a license to steal by those we cannot mention. Those that installed the junta. I would gladly mention them but don't want to risk being prosecuted for LM.  And that really says it all, doesn't it?  Or shall we go back to your favourite subject: Thaksin. Get over it, he's gone.

[debate101]

11 hours ago, robblok said:

As long as he is clean they can't kick him out the last guy who tried it was a corrupt criminal. If your clean and working for the country they can't kick you out. 

What about Pridi? I don't sense that you are well-read on Thai history. This sentiment smacks of just-world fallacy. "They" will find a reason to kick you out, because "you" are their political enemy. It's about that simple.

[robblok]

42 minutes ago, CGW said:

Off course he was! he was also the best thing that ever happened to Thai politics - think about it?

The best thing.. hmmm i think not.

[robblok]

5 minutes ago, debate101 said:

What about Pridi? I don't sense that you are well-read on Thai history. This sentiment smacks of just-world fallacy. "They" will find a reason to kick you out, because "you" are their political enemy. It's about that simple.

I think you had to go back far too deep in history to find just 1 example that kinda proves my point that they don't make up things to convict people but so if you stay clean you have nothing to fear. They can want to kick you out but they can't. 

[robblok]

28 minutes ago, stephen tracy said:

I have always branded Thaksin a crook. I was glad to see the back of him and then his sister until I realized what would replace her (them). You, like many others here on TV, cannot for the life you get your head around the fact that someone who is disgusted by Attitude Adjustment and making freedom of expression a criminal offense is not necessarily a so-called red shirt or Thaksin supporter. And no I didn't deflect, I was merely responding to your comment. You have difficulty posting anything that doesn't mention Thaksin/Yingluck/red-shirts... in fact, in the past, it was you who often deflected from criticism and mockery of the junta with response involving the above. It turns out your beloved junta are the same thieving scum as Thaksin was. The only difference is that the junta has a license to steal by those we cannot mention. Those that installed the junta. I would gladly mention them but don't want to risk being prosecuted for LM.  And that really says it all, doesn't it?  Or shall we go back to your favourite subject: Thaksin. Get over it, he's gone.

Like I can't understand you you don't understand me, i have attacked the junta probably more then you have called Thaksin a crook. Like its hard for you to wrap your head around the fact that people can dislike Thaksin and the junta its hard for me to understand that people can attack the junta and not like Thaksin. I would call it even.

But I was not the person who dragged Thaksin in this discussion so please get your facts straight. If you want to read me posting about other stuff.. read the Ikea thread.. read the other threads. I think i post far more then you in non political topics. 

[stephen tracy]

Just now, robblok said:

I think you had to go back far too deep in history to find just 1 example that kinda proves my point that they don't make up things to convict people but so if you stay clean you have nothing to fear. They can want to kick you out but they can't. 

No they just make up new laws so they can go after people. They make up this stuff as they go. What is all this "if you stay clean you have nothing to fear" nonsense? You have nothing to fear if you're rich and/or protected, like the junta. The corrupt and dirty prosper in Thailand providing they are wealthy and uphold the backward patronage system that that perpetuates this ridiculous situation. Stop attempting to defend what is completely indefensible.

[stephen tracy]

Just now, robblok said:

Like I can't understand you you don't understand me, i have attacked the junta probably more then you have called Thaksin a crook. Like its hard for you to wrap your head around the fact that people can dislike Thaksin and the junta its hard for me to understand that people can attack the junta and not like Thaksin. I would call it even.

But I was not the person who dragged Thaksin in this discussion so please get your facts straight. If you want to read me posting about other stuff.. read the Ikea thread.. read the other threads. I think i post far more then you in non political topics. 

It's not a competition.

[debate101]

1 minute ago, robblok said:

I think you had to go back far too deep in history to find just 1 example that kinda proves my point that they don't make up things to convict people but so if you stay clean you have nothing to fear. They can want to kick you out but they can't. 

Only one elected prime minister has ever even been allowed to complete his term, and that was because of his massive popularity and the public backlash that would (did) come. Every democracy starts off corruptly, but it is in no way less corrupt than the systems it replaces. There is just a lot that goes on under authoritarian governments that the media can't expose/question, etc... or they'll be hunted down and hauled away.

You could ask yourself who the *most* corrupt group in Thailand is, and who has controlled the country with near-absolute power for about two-thirds of a century without the problem really improving at all, or you could continue to blame corrupt politicians that actually have to seek public support rather than corrupt politicians in fatigues, who cannot be investigated.

[robblok]

2 minutes ago, stephen tracy said:

It's not a competition.

It is when your spreading misinformation, first of all I did not drag Thaksin in.. second of all my post in this topic the were about this party and other stuff not Thaksin.. only when you came and started banging on about Thaksin did i start to comment more. 

[robblok]

3 minutes ago, debate101 said:

Only one elected prime minister has ever even been allowed to complete his term, and that was because of his massive popularity and the public backlash that would (did) come. Every democracy starts off corruptly, but it is in no way less corrupt than the systems it replaces. There is just a lot that goes on under authoritarian governments that the media can't expose/question, etc... or they'll be hunted down and hauled away.

You could ask yourself who the *most* corrupt group in Thailand is, and who has controlled the country with near-absolute power for about two-thirds of a century without the problem really improving at all, or you could continue to blame corrupt politicians that actually have to seek public support rather than corrupt politicians in fatigues, who cannot be investigated.

That is not what we were discussing... we were discussing that if someone stays clean he cant be disposed. You had to go back more then half a century to find something you could use. That kinda says enough that they don't invent stuff but only use peoples crimes against them. Exactly the point I am making.  Your deflecting because your argument failed. 

 

I wan't the current government to be gone I want them to be replaced by new people like this guy. Not by the democrats or PTP. If there is any hope for this country it comes from the new parties because the old have all been proven to be corrupt. 

[robblok]

8 minutes ago, stephen tracy said:

No they just make up new laws so they can go after people. They make up this stuff as they go. What is all this "if you stay clean you have nothing to fear" nonsense? You have nothing to fear if you're rich and/or protected, like the junta. The corrupt and dirty prosper in Thailand providing they are wealthy and uphold the backward patronage system that that perpetuates this ridiculous situation. Stop attempting to defend what is completely indefensible.

You really don't get it do you.. you can't find an recent example of a politician being convicted of a crime he did not commit. So i stand.. you can't be disposed if you are clean. So if this guy is clean and I certainly hope so he has nothing to fear and will hopefully do good things for the country.

[debate101]

2 minutes ago, robblok said:

I wan't the current government to be gone I want them to be replaced by new people like this guy. Not by the democrats or PTP. If there is any hope for this country it comes from the new parties because the old have all been proven to be corrupt. 

Well, I have some bad news to break to you... The "next" government of Thailand will be corrupt, just as surely as night follows day. The only questions of significance now are "Will they be the public's choice?" and "Will the opposition, public, and media be allowed to question and expose their corrupt activities relatively free from state suppression?" Unfortunately, the way things are going, neither is very likely.

[The manic]

5 hours ago, robblok said:

I hate high taxes and I feel there should be an income divide between those that work and those that don't work. I seen enough fraud in my country with unemployment and sickness benefits. I can only imagine how bad the corruption and fraud would be here. 

 

I feel that handouts are absolutely the last step, first things should be equal access to schools and loans (for starting companies of course with a good businessplan). I feel strongly about making people responsible for their own lives and rewarding those that study long and excel at their work. I don't like rewarding people who never studied and or are lazy. Communism failed because there was no incentive to do your best or work harder. That is what you create when you want everyone to have the same salary.  The government should make sure the infrastructure is there and opportunities too. Then its up to yourself to make something of your life.

 

That is why i feel that benefits are really the last step and should never be high at all certainly should not get too close to what people who work make (why else work if you can sit at home and get your money)

 

I do agree with you about taxing the really rich (not middle class they pay enough) and breaking down their monopolies, as for those traditional costumes you can wear them if it floats your boat. 

Communism may have failed. But socialism has been very successful in Scandinavia 

[stephen tracy]

Just now, robblok said:

You really don't get it do you.. you can't find an recent example of a politician being convicted of a crime he did not commit. So i stand.. you can't be disposed if you are clean. So if this guy is clean and I certainly hope so he has nothing to fear and will hopefully do good things for the country.

No, be we can find numerous examples of politicians and "soldiers" who have obviously committed crimes and are free from prosecution. The head of state should be made to declare his assets. If he refuses, he should be investigated... but that's not going to happen.  And if you can't be "deposed" if you are clean, what about Major General Paween Pongsirin who had to flee to Australia in fear of his life after pointing out that high-placed members of the current "government" are involved in human trafficking? This was an innocent person who, although not "deposed", was forced to leave the country.... I don't see the government/junta taking up his case.... is it because he was wrong and they're all squeaky clean?

[robblok]

1 minute ago, stephen tracy said:

No, be we can find numerous examples of politicians and "soldiers" who have obviously committed crimes and are free from prosecution. The head of state should be made to declare his assets. If he refuses, he should be investigated... but that's not going to happen.  And if you can't be "deposed" if you are clean, what about Major General Paween Pongsirin who had to flee to Australia in fear of his life after pointing out that high-placed members of the current "government" are involved in human trafficking? This was an innocent person who, although not "deposed", was forced to leave the country.... I don't see the government/junta taking up his case.... is it because he was wrong and they're all squeaky clean?

How has this anything to do with the topic at hand this new guy and his party, all i said he should stay clean and is untouchable. All you do is deflect instead of accepting that if this guy is clean he could be an asset to the country and could not be touched. Seems your hell bent on making this a junta topic. Talk about being obsessed. 

[robblok]

8 minutes ago, The manic said:

Communism may have failed. But socialism has been very successful in Scandinavia 

Perhaps, I don't know much about Scandinavia. The few things I do know is that now they have a problem with immigrants who love the socialistic system and are attracted to it. The only thing that protects them is the bad weather over there 

[Trouble]

As long a mankind keeps producing more children and there are more people than jobs then there will be an imbalance in the economic structure.  Labor is a commodity and, like it or not, too much of a particular commodity lowers the value of that commodity.  Sorry folks, it's only going to get worse.

[kevozman1]

3 hours ago, robblok said:

You really don't get it do you.. you can't find an recent example of a politician being convicted of a crime he did not commit. So i stand.. you can't be disposed if you are clean. So if this guy is clean and I certainly hope so he has nothing to fear and will hopefully do good things for the country.

Amazing blue pill philosophy.

[robblok]

8 hours ago, Trouble said:

As long a mankind keeps producing more children and there are more people than jobs then there will be an imbalance in the economic structure.  Labor is a commodity and, like it or not, too much of a particular commodity lowers the value of that commodity.  Sorry folks, it's only going to get worse.

Yes its bad that mankind will keep on destroying this planet, its one of the reasons why I don't have kids.

[Eric Loh]

12 hours ago, The manic said:

Communism may have failed. But socialism has been very successful in Scandinavia 

Certainly not economically. China and Vietnam have transitioned from command to mixed economy that features communistic and capitalistic elements. China is soon going to be the largest economy in the world, Vietnam will catch up with Thailand to be the second largest economy in ASEAN. Even communist countries like Laos have significant economic growth with double digits GDP.