Trump ousts McMaster, taps super-hawk Bolton as national security adviser

[riclag]

3 minutes ago, Thakkar said:

Tillerson: fired after speaking out strongly against Russia, and then replaced by Pompeo who falsely claimed that the intelligence agencies had concluded that Russian interference had not affected the election outcome (they had in fact made no conclusion one way or the other).

 

McMaster: fired after speaking out strongly against Russia, and then replaced by Bolton who has said on Fox that the Trump/Russia collusion allegations are all about democrats wanting “to prove that the Trump administration is illegitimate”

 

Comey: fired, by Trump’s own admission, “because of this Russia thing”

 

Also fired: McCabe, a potential witness who can corroborate Comey’s assertion that Trump May have tried to obstruct the Russia investigation.

 

Sure looks like a pattern.

What's your point,besides your moronic talking  points that result in a pattern 

[Thakkar]

4 minutes ago, riclag said:

What's your point,besides your moronic talking  points that result in a pattern 

What I stated are facts, not talking points. Facts a neither moronic nor brilliant. At least you agree that there is a pattern.

[Jingthing]

Yes, I know that Slate is a leftist source, so don't bother with that. It's an opinion piece but an interesting one. The real thing here is "trump" is now cornered both on Russia and on the flotsam and jetsam over several sex scandals. He knows his presidency is on the line. We know he has delusions of authoritarianism. What do such types do in history to preserve their power? Not hard to answer that -- START WARS!

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It’s Time to Panic Now

John Bolton’s appointment as national security adviser puts us on a path to war.

 

 

 

https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2018/03/john-bolton-named-national-security-advisor-its-time-to-panic-now.html

 

Edited March 23, 2018 by Jingthing

[farcanell]

30 minutes ago, riclag said:

What's your point,besides your moronic talking  points that result in a pattern 

Interesting that you can see a pattern... disturbing that you can’t see the weave of it

[lovelomsak]

I would rather see the world go to war than keep ongoing the way it has been for the past few decades.

  Let Bolton go for it. 

  Maybe the world needs a  war to get it back on track with sensible thinkers not we can fix things with candles and warm fuzzy's..

 I would gladly let a bomb take me out if it meant there would be some sanity brought back to this world.

[Jingthing]

8 minutes ago, lovelomsak said:

I would rather see the world go to war than keep ongoing the way it has been for the past few decades.

  Let Bolton go for it. 

  Maybe the world needs a  war to get it back on track with sensible thinkers not we can fix things with candles and warm fuzzy's..

 I would gladly let a bomb take me out if it meant there would be some sanity brought back to this world.

Actually thinking a nut job team like "trump" and Bolton have any chance of bringing any kind of sanity to the world is it's own kind of mental issue. 

 

The USA went off the deep end electing that ridiculous con man TROLL (with Putin's help) in the first place. What have you got to lose, he taunted? EVERYTHING. 

Edited March 23, 2018 by Jingthing

[riclag]

4 hours ago, downtowneddie said:

I think that a lot of the fears voiced about Trump previously were exaggerated.  But this is genuinely scary. Compared to Bolton, Trump is relatively rational.

Matthew Kroenig, deputy director in the Scowcroft Center for Strategy and Security.

“With a national security team of Trump, Bolton, Pompeo, and Mattis, America will not have a credibility problem when it comes to threats to use military force.” 

PT has always said he inherited a mess.Regardless of what some say of his past political appeasing choices,one thing is for sure, intel that he and a select few only know about, has brought on these strategic appointees.

http://www.atlanticcouncil.org/blogs/new-atlanticist/mcmaster-out-bolton-in

Edited March 23, 2018 by riclag

[spidermike007]

1 hour ago, riclag said:

spidermike007,Who should be the NSA? All of the left push back of this ridiculous Russian Hysteria narrative  that PT is to weak on Russia, have got their wish.

Anyone but a demagogue, who is hellbent on starting WWIII. Bolton is one of the scariest men I have ever encountered, in this lifetime. He is absolutely the worst man for the job. He is not level headed. He is a hot head. And he adamantly supported the invasion of Iraq. So, in addition to being a hothead, he also possesses terrible judgment. 

 

I can just see him in a cabinet meeting. John, what is your opinion of this? Bomb the crap out of them. John, can you share your recommendation on this situation? Carpet bomb the yellow bastards. That is about the extent of his analytical thinking.

 

I am hoping that this aggressive rhetoric of his, is just that. Many experts have concluded that a war with North Korea is unwinnable. Ground troops would be slaughtered. And an air offensive with do little to weaken the North, since most of their sensitive military targets are hidden, or hardened. It would result in massive civilian and American casualties.

 

But then again, Bolton seems to support wars that cost trillions and cannot be won. 

 

 

Edited March 23, 2018 by spidermike007

[khunken]

Just what you need when leading up to a possible meeting between the Rocket man & the twittet twit - a neo-con nutter along the lines of Cheney, Rumsfeld, Wolfowitz et al. Are there any sensible people left now in Trump's gang of Nazis?

 

He hasn't drained the swamp - but swamped the WH with dregs.

[selftaopath]

1 hour ago, Thakkar said:

Tillerson: fired after speaking out strongly against Russia, and then replaced by Pompeo who falsely claimed that the intelligence agencies had concluded that Russian interference had not affected the election outcome (they had in fact made no conclusion one way or the other).

 

McMaster: fired after speaking out strongly against Russia, and then replaced by Bolton who has said on Fox that the Trump/Russia collusion allegations are all about democrats wanting “to prove that the Trump administration is illegitimate”

 

Comey: fired, by Trump’s own admission, “because of this Russia thing”

 

Also fired: McCabe, a potential witness who can corroborate Comey’s assertion that Trump May have tried to obstruct the Russia investigation.

 

Sure looks like a pattern.

I see much of his "way" is a pattern. He "throws" out ideas and if they are rebuked he says " I was kidding," e.g. President for life. But he is "floating an idea."  He lies constantly, he threatens, calls people names and lies a/b them, he has his sycophants lie for him and walk his agenda. He pays people off where he can, he demands NDA's, seeks aid from minions to attach his perceived enemies. He receives bribes for "favors." He threatens, then takes money for inaction re: threats. He ignores facts/reality and claims they are lies. He spins and has his lackeys spin words/beliefs/opinions as facts. Then he relies on his his beloved propaganda tv station to state opinions as facts.  

 

Quiet easily he is the most despicable politician and maybe man in U.S. history.  He will prove to be on par with many/most despots.  AND he is a coward at his core.

[dunroaming]

5 hours ago, Boon Mee said:

Excellent move as McMaster was too much a "Globalist" 

Bolton will be a stronger figure. 

I agree.  The last thing Trump wants is a Globalist.  Bolton should fit perfectly into the swamp and absolutely confirms what a moron Trump really is.

[riclag]

5 minutes ago, khunken said:

Just what you need when leading up to a possible meeting between the Rocket man & the twittet twit - a neo-con nutter along the lines of Cheney, Rumsfeld, Wolfowitz et al. Are there any sensible people left now in Trump's gang of Nazis?

 

He hasn't drained the swamp - but swamped the WH with dregs.

Another ridiculous  statement "Trump's gang of Nazis".People who think that Bolton and the administration are linked to Nazism are suffering from symptoms of TDS 

[khunken]

2 minutes ago, riclag said:

Another ridiculous  statement "Trump's gang of Nazis".People who think that Bolton and the administration are linked to Nazism are suffering from symptoms of TDS 

You don't have to be linked to Naziism to behave like a Nazi as the neo-cons did & apparently still do. You defend Trump no matter how bad he behaves or how bad his choices are. That's a symptom of gullibility.

[Jingthing]

50 minutes ago, riclag said:

Another ridiculous  statement "Trump's gang of Nazis".People who think that Bolton and the administration are linked to Nazism are suffering from symptoms of TDS 

I don't think anyone has ever said that "trump" and his cronies are literal Nazis (except for Hungarian fascist Gorka now gone who arguably is really close) BUT it's a very sick thing indeed that American Nazis and their KKK style fellow travelers strongly feel they have an ideological friend in "trump." Both sides indeed. You can play games and act like that isn't real, but decent Americans see the truth.  

Edited March 23, 2018 by Jingthing

[Jingthing]

It seems for the number of Fox "News" ("trump" regime propaganda network) "personalities" that "trump" has already poached (and no doubt more to come) that "trump" should be charged off fees!

Edited March 23, 2018 by Jingthing

[spidermike007]

3 hours ago, selftaopath said:

I wonder if Tiny Don is recognized as the most hated man in the world yet?  I'd love to see that on a Time Magazine cover. I have long held he will reach that level of disdain. 

 

If not the most hated man in the world, at least the greatest buffoon to have ever lived? Perhaps one of the most ignorant men in history? One of the most illiterate? A man who has done so little with what which he has been given? The worst president in American history? Hopefully he will not be known as the man who started WWIII, once the even more ignorant Bolton came on board. 

 

Or perhaps just a man who could not satisfy his women? And as a result they all left him in the end. 

 

 

[Jingthing]

Objectively he is extremely unpopular in most of the world and not doing so hot in his home countries either (USA and Orange, New Jersey). This is a case where it's useful to bring up Obama. Favorable attitudes towards the USA dropped dramatically with the insertion of "trump" after Obama. 

Edited March 23, 2018 by Jingthing

[riclag]

6 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

I don't think anyone has ever said that "trump" and his cronies are literal Nazis (except for Hungarian fascist Gorka now gone who arguably is really close) BUT it's a very sick thing indeed that American Nazis and their KKK style fellow travelers strongly feel they have an ideological friend in "trump." Both sides indeed. You can play games and act like that isn't real, but decent Americans see the truth.  

Real Americans think of  American values and what made America of the past and not this new world globalist  rubbish idiotic notion of the KKK,Nazis,communistic ,socialistic fascist,Russian hysteria  BS, that the liberals are spewing to bring down change from the last 40 years .

    Bolton is a hero, a patriotic American who has served before and will use his experience of diplomacy with  help from others in the administration , in maintaining and sustaining  America and American values.

[Jingthing]

30 minutes ago, riclag said:

Real Americans think of  American values and what made America of the past and not this new world globalist  rubbish idiotic notion of the KKK,Nazis,communistic ,socialistic fascist,Russian hysteria  BS, that the liberals are spewing to bring down change from the last 40 years .

    Bolton is a hero, a patriotic American who has served before and will use his experience of diplomacy with  help from others in the administration , in maintaining and sustaining  America and American values.

We differ. I don't consider people that win the admiration of Nazis and KKK to be decent Americans. I consider them to be DANGEROUS. 

Bipartisan dialogue is one thing and to be encouraged. Constant dog whistles to racists and Nazis another. 

To add, in my view and many others harping on the word "globalist" as evil is very often a code word for antisemitism. 

I think it would be less loaded to use a phrase like pro free trade vs. anti free trade. 

The dark truth is the "trump" movement is largely about a kind of racist white nativist nationalism. That again is really dangerous as we've seen before in history. 

 

QUOTE --

"Trump's denunciation of a cabal of international bankers, his campaign's rejection of cosmopolitanism and multiculturalism, and his supporters' invocation of Nazi-era vocabulary to attack the media borrow from the language of an earlier era of fascism and have drawn charges of anti-Semitism.

“The conspiracy theories Trump has been talking up recently play on long-standing tropes used against Jews for decades or even centuries, and the echoes are unmistakable for many of Trump’s alt-right followers and for Jews who are familiar with the history of anti-Semitism,” writes Cheryl Greenberg, professor of history at Trinity College.

She goes on: “Whether Trump is intentional about spreading anti-Semitism is, of course, largely beside the point. Like his more overt expressions of racism, sexism and Islamophobia, Trump’s anti-Semitic comments have made such conversation acceptable again.”"

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2016/10/28/how-globalism-became-the-boogeyman-of-2016/

Edited March 23, 2018 by Jingthing

[dunroaming]

29 minutes ago, riclag said:

Real Americans think of  American values and what made America of the past and not this new world globalist  rubbish idiotic notion of the KKK,Nazis,communistic ,socialistic fascist,Russian hysteria  BS, that the liberals are spewing to bring down change from the last 40 years .

    Bolton is a hero, a patriotic American who has served before and will use his experience of diplomacy with  help from others in the administration , in maintaining and sustaining  America and American values.

I think this shows just how divided America is.  The vitriol is certainly fierce.   American values certainly are seen very differently by the respective sides.

[Jingthing]

I think this shows just how divided America is.  The vitriol is certainly fierce.   American values certainly are seen very differently by the respective sides.

Yes and I don't see the way forward from this. However the attitude of the Parkland student activists does give me some hope.

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[midas]

11 hours ago, Samui Bodoh said:

This is a terrifying bit of news.

 

The National Security Adviser is supposed to be a person of consensus who listens to the various security-focused departments in the government and melds it all into a joint view representing many. Bolton is very well-known as a person who only listens to himself.

 

In other words, Trump, who thinks he knows everything, will now be advised by another person who thinks he knows everything.

 

Scary, scary times...

" Scary, scary times... "

 

yes.................

 

 

John Bolton on wanting to go to war with Iran –

 

" Time is terribly short, but a strike can still succeed. The inescapable conclusion is that Iran will not negotiate away its nuclear program. Nor will sanctions block its building a broad and deep weapons infrastructure."

[lovelomsak]

47 minutes ago, riclag said:

Real Americans think of  American values and what made America of the past and not this new world globalist  rubbish idiotic notion of the KKK,Nazis,communistic ,socialistic fascist,Russian hysteria  BS, that the liberals are spewing to bring down change from the last 40 years .

    Bolton is a hero, a patriotic American who has served before and will use his experience of diplomacy with  help from others in the administration , in maintaining and sustaining  America and American values.

The problem is only the old people know what really made America in the past and the only ones that care about the real America, The young one have been force fed what you describe  below.

and not this new world globalist  rubbish idiotic notion of the KKK,Nazis,communistic ,socialistic fascist,Russian hysteria  BS

  The young only know the garbage they were taught. So anarchy is all they will ever know unless some strong guys step up and do some hard work to bring America back to American standards.

  

  

[midas]

3 hours ago, Jingthing said:

Yes, I know that Slate is a leftist source, so don't bother with that. It's an opinion piece but an interesting one. The real thing here is "trump" is now cornered both on Russia and on the flotsam and jetsam over several sex scandals. He knows his presidency is on the line. We know he has delusions of authoritarianism. What do such types do in history to preserve their power? Not hard to answer that -- START WARS!

https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2018/03/john-bolton-named-national-security-advisor-its-time-to-panic-now.html

 

OMG 

[attrayant]

I think this is fake news because just ONE WEEK ago the White House said this:

 

[dunroaming]

9 minutes ago, lovelomsak said:

The problem is only the old people know what really made America in the past and the only ones that care about the real America, The young one have been force fed what you describe  below.

and not this new world globalist  rubbish idiotic notion of the KKK,Nazis,communistic ,socialistic fascist,Russian hysteria  BS

  The young only know the garbage they were taught. So anarchy is all they will ever know unless some strong guys step up and do some hard work to bring America back to American standards.

  

  

So you think that the young shouldn't decide on their future or even are capable of thinking for themselves?   Those old people you refer to where the then "young people" who in the sixties revolutionised America.  At the time all the "old people" thought they were nuts and degenerates.

 

America belongs to the young people and it is morons like Trump that are trying to screw up their future prospects.  Fortunately there are enough good "old people" who can see that and hopefully together with the young, free America from this vile cancer Donald Trump.

[midas]

It doesn't look so hopeful any longer that there will be the historic meeting between Kim Jong Un and Donald Trump

 

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Mr. Bolton has taken a hard line on North Korea, and he has expressed skepticism about South Korea’s role in arranging a meeting between Mr. Trump and Kim Jong-un. Mr. Bolton recently said Mr. Trump should tell the North Korean leader that unless he quickly commits in talks to total denuclearization, Mr. Trump should try “something else” — hinting at a pre-emptive American military strike.

 

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/03/23/world/asia/trump-john-bolton-reaction.html

[lovelomsak]

49 minutes ago, dunroaming said:

So you think that the young shouldn't decide on their future or even are capable of thinking for themselves?   Those old people you refer to where the then "young people" who in the sixties revolutionised America.  At the time all the "old people" thought they were nuts and degenerates.

 

America belongs to the young people and it is morons like Trump that are trying to screw up their future prospects.  Fortunately there are enough good "old people" who can see that and hopefully together with the young, free America from this vile cancer Donald Trump.

No way did I intend to say the young cannot decide on their future . What i was saying they have been mislead and ill educated and will make bad choices as they have been doing and creat more anarchy in America.. They have a choice,what ever their choice is and will live with it that is reality. But there is still a chance that they can learn about what America was and maybe with some positive effort correct the damage done .

  The young ones you mention from the sixties were the ones to lead the way for the poor condition the country is in. They were nuts and degenerates. and America is paying the price for listening to them.and letting them have an influence 

Edited March 23, 2018 by lovelomsak

[dunroaming]

1 minute ago, lovelomsak said:

No way did I intend to say the young cannot decide on their future . What i was saying they have been mislead and ill educated and will make bad choices as they have been doing and creat more anarchy in America.. They have a choice,what ever their choice is and will live with it that is reality. But there is still a chance that they can learn about what America was and maybe with some positive effort correct the damage done .

And why do you think the education they get today is inferior to the education the "old people" got?  

 

[lovelomsak]

1 minute ago, dunroaming said:

And why do you think the education they get today is inferior to the education the "old people" got?  

 

Life lessons  not institutional 

 To much to educate you about  on a forum