4 minutes ago, NanLaew said:

Same, same.

 

...but different.

Was the red army the same as the Thai army  ??    wanting control  ??

 

8 minutes ago, ginjag said:

Lousy Governance is breaking the law also as it is going against the vow new governments are appointed to do.

"Lousy Governance" has never broken any laws. If it did then please provide a link to which laws they might be. Now, instigating a coup and disposing of basic human rights, granting yourself an amnesty etc etc etc IS against the law. It was actually against the previous constitution which supersedes any law.

The whole junta are traitors who should be tried and locked away for a very long time.

Firstly, Taksin didn't flee the country in 2008. While at the UN general assembly in 2006 a coup has overthrown his government and he never returned from that trip.

 

Next - all those favoring Taksin either have not been in Thailand during his period of ruling, or don't remember how it was back then or simply didn't pay attention to what was going on...

True, Taksin didn't have "article 44" in his arsenal. However he had sh**t loads of money to tackle his opponents and criticizers.

He never handled nor solved any crises, he usually just covered up and lied about them, zigzagging his way out once it was proven the crises actually existed. Need some reminders? Starting with a "minor" crises -  the chicken flu. When rumors about such a disease started going around, in order to defy them Taksin hosted a chicken BBQ event for all members of parliament at Sanam Luang as a proof that no such disease existed, which was of course proved to be false statement later on.

Around 2006 a reporter of an English newspaper (I think not allowed to mention its name here) reported about cracks in the runway of the not yet opened Suvarnaphumi airport, along with photos and a testimony from an engineer who worked on the site. Taksin sued the reporter + the editor for 40 million THB for defamation... The article was withdrawn, the reporter and editor were fired. And of course there were cracks on the runway and many of the parking bays at the airport - all had to be fixed before the airport was opened.

Taksin owned among other things a TV station which only praised him and his doings and was actually a propaganda tool. If any other news outlet dared to say something against him - they suffered the consequences. I don't remember exact details, but a reporter of TV channel 5 was fired for reporting (real) news not in his favor. 

What about corruption? well, just 3 stories for now...

1) in 2001, shortly after forming his first government Taksin pushed for open skies law. A day after the law came into effect Taksin owned Thai Air Asia...

2) During his first administration Taskin took many members of his government on an official visit to Myanmar. In the same official airplane, he brought along the top executives of his very own Shin Corporation. He arranged for the executives business meetings with Myanmar's officials who then bought satellite services package for about 1 billion THB. The Myanmar government didn't have the money. So upon return to Thailand, Taksin arranged a Thai government loan for the Myanmar government for the full amount............................

3) Around 2005 or 2006 Taksin sold his Shin Corp (that included AIS, the TV station and Thaicom - the Thai telecommunications satellites to a company owned by the Singaporean government (ridiculous to say the least and very irresponsible) for 2 billion US$ CASH, and refused to pay any tax at all. 

 

There is much more, by this reply is getting too long as it is......

1 minute ago, wvavin said:

Farting through the mouth again. What happened to the police that assisted Yingluck to escape? Prosecute him and then start talking.

Difficult to control the Police as they are riddled with Thaksin thinking---remember he was the Police  ???

Mr. Illegal Prime Minister. Looks like a self inventory is indeed in order. Does anyone have the time?

10 minutes ago, ginjag said:

Lousy Governance is breaking the law also as it is going against the vow new governments are appointed to do.

Being crap at your job is not illegal in any country that I know of. How can it be, given it is a subjective concept? Besides, if the voters decide that their governance is lousy, they can do something about it it.

16 hours ago, snoop1130 said:

should feel ashamed for appearing in public even though they are lawbreakers

There are many still in Thailand that should feel the same way! 

13 hours ago, Thian said:

For wearing his friends watch?

Oh my, here we have a poster who actually defends the # 2 toad's obvious display of "unusual" wealth!! Didn't think anyone was that far gone.

16 hours ago, snoop1130 said:

Shinawatra siblings ‘should be ashamed’

Does anyone know a Thai "be ashamed"

Does anyone know a Thai "be ashamed"

upon losing ig followers, maybe.

3 minutes ago, Becker said:

"Lousy Governance" has never broken any laws. If it did then please provide a link to which laws they might be. Now, instigating a coup and disposing of basic human rights, granting yourself an amnesty etc etc etc IS against the law. It was actually against the previous constitution which supersedes any law.

The whole junta are traitors who should be tried and locked away for a very long time.

Think about Yingluk and the overnight amnesty they tried to push through and while your on with it the rice--tablets and the supposed sales to China  not against the law  ??     engage  thinking

6 hours ago, Get Real said:

No, it´s not. It´s a stabilator that removes unrest that are on it´s way or could turn into a civil war.

LOL! Are there still a few people buying into that tired old junta excuse? Amazing! Get real indeed....

3 minutes ago, baboon said:

Being crap at your job is not illegal in any country that I know of. How can it be, given it is a subjective concept? Besides, if the voters decide that their governance is lousy, they can do something about it it.

They do here--but have no idea so we are back to the same CRAP as you say, every election,   Thai democratic elections are a freedom to vote for the next crap.  That is democracy.   Suppose Nth Korea is democracy.  because of a vote---paid for or not is democratic.  Thailand are not capable to vote in any good government as there is not one in sight

8 minutes ago, ginjag said:

Difficult to control the Police as they are riddled with Thaksin thinking---remember he was the Police  ???

Would they be the same police that are enforcing junta edicts and prosecuting handbag defamers on the junta's behalf?

2 minutes ago, ginjag said:

Think about Yingluk and the overnight amnesty they tried to push through and while your on with it the rice--tablets and the supposed sales to China  not against the law  ??     engage  thinking

OK, I'm thinking about the Shins' attempted amnesty.....and now I'm thinking about the Junta's actual amnesty. There, that's done. Clearly the latter was much, much worse - especially since it was done by an illegal government that can not be voted out of office.

2 minutes ago, Becker said:

LOL! Are there still a few people buying into that tired old junta excuse? Amazing! Get real indeed....

So, that is a junta excuse. They had nothing to do with the chaos in the streets and boiling violence before they moved in and stopped it.
Guess it´s you that should get real, and not put yourself in such vurnarable positions regarding your comments.

What do you think would have happened if they not moved in? People just stopp fighting and became friends. Must be very fluffy up on your heavenly clouds.

1 minute ago, ginjag said:

They do here--but have no idea so we are back to the same CRAP as you say, every election,   Thai democratic elections are a freedom to vote for the next crap.  That is democracy.   Suppose Nth Korea is democracy.  because of a vote---paid for or not is democratic.  Thailand are not capable to vote in any good government as there is not one in sight

And what you spectacularly fail to understand is that that is not an argument for junta rule.

3 minutes ago, baboon said:

Try using paragraphs and people might actually read what you write. As it is, it just looks like anti Thaksin (and there is nothing wrong with that) white noise.

The reading then was un-important to you only the formation of paragraphs     555     in denial, side stepping the posters valid points as always.

16 hours ago, AGareth2 said:

and a coup is not breaking the law?

Quite! And who allowed Yingluck to escaped justice? They should be ashamed too.

6 minutes ago, Becker said:

LOL! Are there still a few people buying into that tired old junta excuse? Amazing! Get real indeed....

No excuse reality,  not much more choice only to have snap elections for more civil unrest to follow for sure.   but you will deny that because elections are more important than civil war or unrest

1 minute ago, ginjag said:

They do here--but have no idea so we are back to the same CRAP as you say, every election,   Thai democratic elections are a freedom to vote for the next crap.  That is democracy.   Suppose Nth Korea is democracy.  because of a vote---paid for or not is democratic.  Thailand are not capable to vote in any good government as there is not one in sight

Let's just stick to Thailand, eh?

Yes, it may well be the same old crap at every election for a good while to come. There are no quick fixes to a polarised society. But there can be no progress, no evolution if the army are just going to keep barging in every time politics is not going their way.

1 minute ago, TKDfella said:

Quite! And who allowed Yingluck to escaped justice? They should be ashamed too.

Ha ha   well could you say it was Thaksins still police force.

Just now, ginjag said:

Ha ha   well could you say it was Thaksins still police force.

Will the minister overseeing the police be prosecuted for dereliction of duty, then?

1 minute ago, baboon said:

Let's just stick to Thailand, eh?

Yes, it may well be the same old crap at every election for a good while to come. There are no quick fixes to a polarised society. But there can be no progress, no evolution if the army are just going to keep barging in every time politics is not going their way.

Give me a solid case where a honest clean fought election here would happen....this Thai democracy does not exist.  Maybe if whoever is in charge informs the people here of the truth, then the people MAY vote with enough knowledge to have a good government.

2 minutes ago, baboon said:

Will the minister overseeing the police be prosecuted for dereliction of duty, then?

Hope so,  but even the army cannot control this so called mafia --it is entrenched with deep roots.....Even the minister knows it is too much of a problem.  Look at the everyday life of the police--a money making franchise.

4 minutes ago, ginjag said:

Give me a solid case where a honest clean fought election here would happen....this Thai democracy does not exist.  Maybe if whoever is in charge informs the people here of the truth, then the people MAY vote with enough knowledge to have a good government.

The 2011 election was judged as mainly free and fair.

No little man, you should feel ashamed every minute, of every day, for holding your country back, pilfering like a despot ruler, and appointing the least talented people you can find. 

 

Just like the little man in the US, this guy deflects, and creates false narratives, that have nothing to do with reality. He is living in an alternate universe, and the country is paying the price for that.

Just now, baboon said:

Becker, why waste your time. For the past four years we have had this 'Really? Well prove it' brigade ignoring any proof and simply moving on to post the same debunked assertions on the next thread. It's pointless. 

Pointless argue about The past and the present as NOTHING will change army out--elections in---same old story--over decades

1 minute ago, ginjag said:

Give me a solid case where a honest clean fought election here would happen....this Thai democracy does not exist.  Maybe if whoever is in charge informs the people here of the truth, then the people MAY vote with enough knowledge to have a good government.

Are there any honest clean fought election by your definition anywhere in a democratic country that you can name? The converse is not a coup but more elections so people can gain knowledge to seek the truth and feel empowered to elect a better government. 

Just now, spidermike007 said:

No little man, you should feel ashamed every minute, of every day, for holding your country back, pilfering like a despot ruler, and appointing the least talented people you can find. 

 

Just like the little man in the US, this guy deflects, and creates false narratives, that have nothing to do with reality. He is living in an alternate universe, and the country is paying the price for that.

Another complete Biased post-----so everything is super under Thai democracy, even if it is lousy.  elections or not-----never will be democratic  if in ten more elections.