any new strong anti inflammation pill ?

[poanoi]

has there been introduced any industrial strength military grade

anti inflammation pill to the market for the past 10 years ?

and if so, whats the name of it ?

my entire back is in chronical inflammation and is in pain non stop

[Swimman]

You should seek medical advice about your back. 

[Sheryl]

The anti-inflammatories on the market now are pretty much the same as 10 years back, and if these are not giving you relief, you do indeed need to see an orthopedic specialist (preferrably one specifically specializing in spine issues).

 

Tailored exercises and PT (e.g. lumbar traction) may do more than drugs will.

 

 

[Bonobojt]

What's the cause of the back pain? 

 

Maybe seeing a doctor or physical therapist and getting an x Ray may be a good idea 

 

Also not sure what your diet is like but try looking into an Anti Inflammatory diet, certain foods have anti inflammatory effects like turmeric, dark leathy greens, berries, walnuts, fish etc.. 

And some foods increase inflammation in the body like processed foods, refined carbs, sugar.. 

[poanoi]

3 hours ago, Bonobojt said:

What's the cause of the back pain? 

 

Maybe seeing a doctor or physical therapist and getting an x Ray may be a good idea 

 

Also not sure what your diet is like but try looking into an Anti Inflammatory diet, certain foods have anti inflammatory effects like turmeric, dark leathy greens, berries, walnuts, fish etc.. 

And some foods increase inflammation in the body like processed foods, refined carbs, sugar.. 

between my shoulders came from carrying a piano and get stuck on a doorstep,

i think a piece of my spine got pushed inwards, and that in turn causes my ribs to dislocate from time to time. the bigger issue came later when i was lifting heavy during working, i was sort of bending forward and lift with my back rather than my legs since i was too exhausted to move my feet. i can only stand or walk for a few minutes a day, and these days i also get pain from sitting or laying down,

i can not escape the pain no matter how i do

[carlyai]

between my shoulders came from carrying a piano and get stuck on a doorstep,
i think a piece of my spine got pushed inwards, and that in turn causes my ribs to dislocate from time to time. the bigger issue came later when i was lifting heavy during working, i was sort of bending forward and lift with my back rather than my legs since i was too exhausted to move my feet. i can only stand or walk for a few minutes a day, and these days i also get pain from sitting or laying down,
i can not escape the pain no matter how i do

I feel for you, and I am a member of your pain club.

Unfortunately there comes a time, if all else fails after a reasonable length if time, when surgery may be a best option.



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[Sheryl]

11 hours ago, poanoi said:

 

i think a piece of my spine got pushed inwards, and that in turn causes my ribs to dislocate from time to time...

 

It sounds like you have not had an actual medical evaluation.

 

There are stronger anti-inflammatories available from hospitals only and depending on what tests show to be the problem these might be given. It also possible, but by no means certain, that you might need surgery. If you are not a surgical candidate and medications fail there  are other methods of pain control such as nerve ablation and even insertion of spinal cord stimulators available from hospital pain clinics.  Bit all of this requires that you stop trying to self-manage and see an appropriate specialist.

 

 If you are in or near Bangkok I suggest you see this Prof. WICHARN YINGSAKMONGKOL (same doctor, different hospitals, BCH is cheaper)

 

https://www.bnhhospital.com/spine/team/

https://www.bch.in.th/en/doctor-th-4/surgery/item/696-doc31.html

 

He can also probably be seen through the Chulallongkorn Hosp after hours clinic less expensive still but you can't book by phone or online and there may a wait list.

 

 

 

 

 

[poanoi]

4 hours ago, Sheryl said:

 

It sounds like you have not had an actual medical evaluation.

 

There are stronger anti-inflammatories available from hospitals only and depending on what tests show to be the problem these might be given. It also possible, but by no means certain, that you might need surgery. If you are not a surgical candidate and medications fail there  are other methods of pain control such as nerve ablation and even insertion of spinal cord stimulators available from hospital pain clinics.  Bit all of this requires that you stop trying to self-manage and see an appropriate specialist.

 

 If you are in or near Bangkok I suggest you see this Prof. WICHARN YINGSAKMONGKOL (same doctor, different hospitals, BCH is cheaper)

 

https://www.bnhhospital.com/spine/team/

https://www.bch.in.th/en/doctor-th-4/surgery/item/696-doc31.html

 

He can also probably be seen through the Chulallongkorn Hosp after hours clinic less expensive still but you can't book by phone or online and there may a wait list.

 

 

 

 

 

the biggest problem is my lower back,

but i have looked at internet, its 0.5 - 1.5 million baht for lower back surgery,

cant afford that. and i live in pattaya

[Swimman]

1 minute ago, poanoi said:

the biggest problem is my lower back,

but i have looked at internet, its 0.5 - 1.5 million baht for lower back surgery,

cant afford that. and i live in pattaya

You should stop consulting the internet and spend 1- 2000 Baht on obtaining a specialists opinion.

[faraday]

I have disc profusion at L5/S1 & was quoted 50k baht at the Army Hospital here in Udon for a Microdiscectomy.

 

Go & see exactly what the problem with your back is.

[poanoi]

2 minutes ago, Swimman said:

You should stop consulting the internet and spend 1- 2000 Baht on obtaining a specialists opinion.

i will, if and when i win lottery

[observer90210]

of course, check out with the best doctor in town...

 

but try a natural spice called curcuma....you must have heard of it and you find it in many grocery stores that sell spices, or at any shop selling indian spices....mix it in hot water say 1 tablespoon....try it for a month....it worked miracles on me,  many many years ago when my hernia was getting unbearable.....

[faraday]

Yes, Curcumin is very good.

 

If you really do want another anti inflammatory, then I suggest Arcoxia. My Orthopaedic surgeon first prescribed this for me.

It doesn't give the same G.I. problems that other AI's do, but is quite expensive. About 120 baht for 5 × 90mg tablets.

 

[Sheryl]

You hardly need to win the lottery to afford a 1,000 baht doctor consultation.

 

Lower back surgery in Thailand will NOT cost you anything near the amounts you mentioned,  more like 50 - 250,000 baht depending on what hospital and type of surgery. Which you may nto even need. For all you or anyone else knows, conservative treatment might suffice. But it needs to be .prescribed by a doctor and  probably include meds you cannot get over the counter.

 

From Pattaya, you need to come to Bangkok. I know it is hard to travel with our back like that,  but it is also hard being in all that pain.

 

See the doctor I suggested.

[phetphet]

As others have suggested, far better to get a professional opinion first. It may not even be something that requires surgery.

 

I had a slipped dic in my neck, and it was treated with cortico steroid injections.

 

If you are in as much pain as I was, a visit to a doctor for a diagnosis would be top of my list. Those injections provided immediate, though temporary relief.

 

 

 

Edited April 21, 2018 by phetphet

[wpcoe]

14 hours ago, Sheryl said:

 If you are in or near Bangkok I suggest you see this Prof. WICHARN YINGSAKMONGKOL (same doctor, different hospitals, BCH is cheaper)

 

https://www.bnhhospital.com/spine/team/

https://www.bch.in.th/en/doctor-th-4/surgery/item/696-doc31.html

 

He can also probably be seen through the Chulallongkorn Hosp after hours clinic less expensive still but you can't book by phone or online and there may a wait list.

 

9 hours ago, poanoi said:

the biggest problem is my lower back,

but i have looked at internet, its 0.5 - 1.5 million baht for lower back surgery,

cant afford that. and i live in pattaya

 

The doctor Sheryl recommends is resident at the Spine Centre in BNH Hospital in Bangkok (her first link), and my experience with them when I had back problems was that they considered surgery a last resort, preferring other, less invasive (and more to your liking:  less expensive) treatments, if possible.  By all means spend a couple thousand Baht to see him and at least determine the actual cause of your pain, and maybe even find a suitable treatment you could afford.

[carlyai]

 
The doctor Sheryl recommends is resident at the Spine Centre in BNH Hospital in Bangkok (her first link), and my experience with them when I had back problems was that they considered surgery a last resort, preferring other, less invasive (and more to your liking:  less expensive) treatments, if possible.  By all means spend a couple thousand Baht to see him and at least determine the actual cause of your pain, and maybe even find a suitable treatment you could afford.

From someone who has had 3 previous back surgerys, four counting a spinal chord stimulator, and 5 probably in July. It is best to avoid surgery.
I supposedly had a great surgeon for the first operation, but it was stuffed up. Other opinions should be fully explored before you approach spinal surgery. Money should not be a factor in spinal surgery.

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[Siam Bruce]

Prof. WICHARN YINGSAKMONGKOL

I went to this guy EXCELLENT.

Helicopter crash Crushed Vertabrae.

For starters I would go to the Navy Hospital near Utapao Km 10 Sattahip. This is not expensive, see what they say and what the expected price would be if you are to have surgery.

Visit with Prof. WICHARN YINGSAKMONGKOL in one of the Bangkok hospitals and see what he has to say.

 

You would then be in a position to make a informed decision.

 

Navy Hospital Utapao

You need to go early 6am, Long wait so take a book or game.

 

Best of Luck

[poanoi]

1 hour ago, Siam Bruce said:

Prof. WICHARN YINGSAKMONGKOL

I went to this guy EXCELLENT.

Helicopter crash Crushed Vertabrae.

For starters I would go to the Navy Hospital near Utapao Km 10 Sattahip. This is not expensive, see what they say and what the expected price would be if you are to have surgery.

Visit with Prof. WICHARN YINGSAKMONGKOL in one of the Bangkok hospitals and see what he has to say.

 

You would then be in a position to make a informed decision.

 

Navy Hospital Utapao

You need to go early 6am, Long wait so take a book or game.

 

Best of Luck

the time i can stand up, walk, or even sit up is very limited,

like a 200 meter walk turn and return is my limit for a day.

no way i will take a stroll just to weigh my options,

pain is the only parameter, if i think a 200 meter walk will eventually

reduce pain, i will walk, if i dont think it will, i won't walk

[carlyai]

the time i can stand up, walk, or even sit up is very limited,
like a 200 meter walk turn and return is my limit for a day.
no way i will take a stroll just to weigh my options,
pain is the only parameter, if i think a 200 meter walk will eventually
reduce pain, i will walk, if i dont think it will, i won't walk

For what it's worth, there is light at the end of a tunnel.
After a couple of years of rehab. I could walk 20 odd km a day, dragging tires over sand and redoing my surf bronze. Of course I had no friends and family left, cause everyone eventually deserts someone in continuous pain.
Where there's a will there's a way, but a rough journey.

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[Sheryl]

1 hour ago, poanoi said:

the time i can stand up, walk, or even sit up is very limited,

like a 200 meter walk turn and return is my limit for a day.

no way i will take a stroll just to weigh my options,

pain is the only parameter, if i think a 200 meter walk will eventually

reduce pain, i will walk, if i dont think it will, i won't walk

Nobody is suggested you "take a stroll just to weigh my options"

 

Seeing a qualified specialist for appropriate treatment, including immediate pain relief or at least pain reduction, is  hardly an idle stroll. It is the only  sensible course of action.

 

If you are unable to even sit in a waiting room then better go to BNH where you can make an exact appointment online and be seen with little or no wait. Have someone drive you there so you can lie down on the way.

 

[Sheryl]

2 hours ago, carlyai said:

From someone who has had 3 previous back surgerys, four counting a spinal chord stimulator, and 5 probably in July. It is best to avoid surgery.
I supposedly had a great surgeon for the first operation, but it was stuffed up. Other opinions should be fully explored before you approach spinal surgery. Money should not be a factor in spinal surgery.

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He has not even seen a doctor!  So there has been no diagnosis let alone recommendation for surgery.

 

The blanket statement that surgery is best avoided is not, however, true. There are situations where it is absolutely unavoidable and the only option for avoiding lifelong paralysis. e.g. spinal cord compression.

 

There are  also situations where it is not appropriate at all because it cannot  address the cause of the pain.

 

And then there are the in-between situations, where it might help but there are also non-surgical options which can and should be tried first.

 

 

[carlyai]

He has not even seen a doctor!  So there has been no diagnosis let alone recommendation for surgery.
 
The blanket statement that surgery is best avoided is not, however, true. There are situations where it is absolutely unavoidable and the only option for avoiding lifelong paralysis. e.g. spinal cord compression.
 
There are  also situations where it is not appropriate at all because it cannot  address the cause of the pain.
 
And then there are the in-between situations, where it might help but there are also non-surgical options which can and should be tried first.
 
 

'It is best to avoid surgery', is not a blanket statement.

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[BEVUP]

You have no choice 

It may take quite a while to heal or otherwise surgery 

I' m certainly not a doc but the first thing would be a full MRI scan from consulting Doc 

You may have several ruptured discs that are protruding into your spine cavity squashing the nerves ( amongst other things )

[faraday]

Ok, you have been given good advice by all of, & especially by Sheryl. You appear to resist all of it.

 

What do you want to do?

 

[BEVUP]

7 minutes ago, faraday said:

What do you want to do?

I think he wants to do' but it seems he maybe financially incapable or he just doesn't like Doctors

Maybe worrying surgery might be needed & is afraid of cost & (out come from Docs in Thailand ) 

 

PS : This is where he should be heeding the advice from Sheryl concerning the places & Docs to see

Edited April 22, 2018 by BEVUP

[GTgrizzly]

On ‎21‎/‎04‎/‎2018 at 9:36 PM, poanoi said:

the biggest problem is my lower back,

but i have looked at internet, its 0.5 - 1.5 million baht for lower back surgery,

cant afford that. and i live in pattaya

Doesn't sound like you have a life at the moment better to feel good and be broke

[poanoi]

12 hours ago, faraday said:

Ok, you have been given good advice by all of, & especially by Sheryl. You appear to resist all of it.

 

What do you want to do?

 

my passport is at visa agency or immigration so i cant even ID myself atm,

let alone get treatment

[transam]

Sounds like you need a scan chum...

[Sheryl]

You can see a doctor without your passport. If you have one, show them a photocopy, or a dirver's license, otherwise just explain that your passport is at immigration.

 

Don't make a host of assumptions about what the doctor will say/do and use that as an excuse not to go.  It is not necessarily the case that you need an MRI.